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Re: Approving Messages
Frances, I thought if another moderator clicks on a message to be moderated, it marks it claimed. You can¡¯t moderate it. If the moderator clicks Edit is it "claimed", even if the moderator then cancels out. Sharon should have received the bounce back of her approval in that case, and should see those messages as "claimed" on the web site. Neither of those being mentioned, I'm not sure what could cause what she's seeing. Note that on the web site the "claim" is only advisory, other moderators can still approve or reject the message. This is not a bug, it is that way so that the message doesn't get (semi-) permanently stuck if the claiming moderator doesn't finish with the message. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Member removed for sending spam only not
Tony, What about putting the member on No Mail (effectively unsubbing them from email) , tell them That's essentially what I proposed in beta, except I decided that it would be best not to mess with the member's actual Email Delivery setting (and the distraction that some groups don't allow No Email). So I proposed a "status" akin to bouncing status - which stops group postings being sent to their email, and displays a banner on the web site when they visit. The "tell them they can find the groups mails on the web" will probably have to come from a That's a "maybe" in my book. The source of the notice is , but not an address associated with their group or its members, so I think it is already more likely to be delivered to the member's Inbox than whatever triggered the FBL in the first place. I think the only two choices here are the automatic message from or a message sent by a group mod from a personal address. Anything else is likely to be (rightfully) mistrusted by the member. That said, there's no reason to choose -- do the automatic message, and if a group mod wants to follow it up later that's great. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Approving Messages
I thought if another moderator clicks on a message to be moderated, it marks it claimed. You can¡¯t moderate it. ?
If this isn¡¯t happening when there are more than one message waiting to be moderated, I would think it is a big and should be reported.? If if I try to moderate by email - simply by replying to the moderation email, sometimes someone else got to it first. Then I get a return email saying so.? Frances |
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Re: Wiki instruction or tutorial
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
inquiring minds want to know!I'm not familiar with Mediawiki, but if you're trying to migrate wiki pages from another platform, it may be easier to do that using raw HTML.?Click the far right icon on the toolbar (it looks like three bars) to display the Advanced menu. Then click on the far-right icon on that. At that point you might be able to paste in any existing HTML into the site and save it. Be advised, though, that some constructs will be stripped so they can't be used as a vector for malware. Things that I know are stripped include iframes, Java/PHP scripts and (unfortunately) many inline styles. I hope this helps, but it probably doesn't. Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Re: Can I move my Big Tent group to groups.io?
#transfer
Yep, it's my understanding that Big Tent is shutting down at the end of the year.
I would like to see some ability to migrate Big Tent groups, Meetup groups and several others. However, in each case it would require a message archive export (along with files, etc) on the originating end. Unfortunately, in many cases, that functionality?does not exist. Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Re: Wiki instruction or tutorial
My brain is reeling.
I somewhat learned how to ¡°mediawiki¡± and now have to wipe that out and start from scratch. ? Although the the most used and supported platform, Mediawiki isn¡¯t user friendly. Bit at the minimum there¡¯s tons of resources and user guides/examples to show one how to ¡°learn¡± to set up pages, ToCs, Page subheadings, upload content, etc. ? How does one create an application with no idea how to or guide to actually use it? And then rely on users fumbling around in a frustrated frenzy to figure out, and then them explain how to use it? Am I crazy or just insane? ? inquiring minds want to know! |
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Re: Can I move my Big Tent group to groups.io?
#transfer
westvillageparents1,
Just want to confirm that you can only move Yahoo and Google groups toThose are the only ones with some automation to smooth the path. or can I (fingers crossed) move my Big Tent group and all theI haven't heard anything about that. You should ask [email protected] if that's something that can be done, either one-off or as a new automated procedure. If you can export at least your Big Tent members list (their email addresses) then at the minimum you could invite them to a new group at Groups.io, or using the "Group Transfer" upgrade you can Direct Add them. The messages and other content maybe not so much. Mark (at Groups.io) has indicated in the past that he can bring in messages stored in an mbox format file, but there haven't been any recent reports from users who've had him do that. Please post again here to let us know what you learn, or if you have more questions. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Unable to view attached #images online
#images
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýGerald,The majority of my users use email, as opposed to doing it online. I would be willing to bet that the majority of users also use Windows vs. MacOS. I use MacOS. All that said, I do see how when I attach an existing image from disk, that seems to render correctly, whereas when I *paste* an image into my message it does not. I can experiment with that a bit more, if you are suggesting that ?will only correctly render the image if it is explicitly attached. -- tomo "There is no spoon."
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Re: Member removed for sending spam only not
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 09:37 AM, Patty Sliney wrote:
It is a foreign concept to my Yahoo Groups transfer members, so they tend to be the ones that are most frequently unsubbed.That's one thing that causes a lot of confusion.? Yahoo expects their FBL notice to be observed, but they don't (at least, didn't) honor the same request. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Re: Member removed for sending spam only not
You said:?
Perhaps the section on "How can I stop this from happening again?", or parts of it, should be brought out into its own page for easy reference by group members. Then maybe it could get some elaboration, or pointers to instructions, for different email services. I do have a Wiki entry, and I also have set up a Guidelines notice to go out monthly to our group, about what will happen to you if you mark a groups.io list message as spam.? And, our Welcome letter also has a little blurp in it about NOT marking groups.io list messages as Spam, or emptying your Spam/Junk folder without looking for valid emails and restoring them as "NOT SPAM".? I think I've done everything I can do as a list owner to warn new and existing list members about this feature.? It is a foreign concept to my Yahoo Groups transfer members, so they tend to be the ones that are most frequently unsubbed.? You said:? I understand that unsubscription has a certain ruthlessness to it ("learn or die"). And I've made my alternative suggestion:II d https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/16955 Hah, well put, "learn or die".? That's how I feel, and agree with your suggestion of some other "corralling" of a suspected spam sender, rather than ruthlessly unsubbing them.? You said: Eh? I don't see how this would happen to someone on No Email. Let me correct that statement: We have a fairly significant amount of tranferred Yahoo Groups members who actually ARE receiving list messages in some fashion (individual or digest), but don't know it, and function as though they are No Mail by going to the list to read messages.? How?? Again, back to a fairly significant number of list members that just didn't understand the Yahoo Groups sign up process, created a yahoo.com email address they never used, the default email delivery on Yahoo Groups is Individual Emails, and just went to the list's home page to read and reply to list messages.? And, took that behavior with the to groups.io, since they don't even know they have a yahoo.com email address that has been receiving list messages (for years).? So, it's as though they're No Mail by virtue of how they read list messages.? If they get to their email and empty the gaillion spam emails, or, if Yahoo decides to mark groups.io email as spam, now they're unsubbed and will never see the restore email.? Have had a few of those folks get unsubbed. In fact, I had one list member vehemently argue with me that, "I have NEVER had a yahoo.com email".? I had to screen snip her old Yahoo Groups membership to prove to her she did.? Sigh... Clearly, this seems to only be an issue for me, so, I will figure out how to deal with it best we can.? Otherwise, very happy with how Mark's designed groups.io, and it certainly beats the slow disintegration and dysfunction of Yahoo Groups. -- Patty S. |
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Re: Member removed for sending spam only not
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 01:34 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
Which is first and foremost to satisfy the (former) member's email service that Groups.io will stop sending messages that get marked as spam. And to that end, the member and the service's filter must be trained not to mark Groups.io's messages as spam.I think what too often gets lost in these discussions is that groups.io does not unsub people just to punish them. For whatever reason, the receiving email service got a message from groups.io that it BELIEVES TO BE SPAM, and on that basis has REQUESTED that its user be unsubbed. That's how these feedback loops work, and groups.io is just doing what it was told to do.? Failing to act on this request may seem like no big deal, but it is. Back in February, a well-respected antivirus provider (Norton) began flagging groups.io as a phishing site. AVG and a handful of others soon followed suit. This situation persisted for nearly week. You can read all about it . One of my subscribers contacted Norton and asked them what all the hubbub was about. He was referred to a perfectly innocuous groups.io message that had something to do with a party invitation. I had just transferred our main group from Yahoo a week earlier, and had a great deal of difficulty convincing everyone in our club that we hadn't just made a terrible mistake. The hope is that as groups.io grows and more email providers become "trained" to accept high email traffic from this source it will become less and less of a problem. Meanwhile, if an occasional subscriber gets bumped off my group and has to be reinstated, that's a very small price to pay to avoid a repeat of that experience. Regards, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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