All I can figure is that for the time being we need to manually add such last-(FRI, SAT, SUN, etc.)day-of-the-month events for the 12-month period.

In that way we can compensate for the alteration of (last) days as the months proceed and create an accurate schedule.

Hopefully if this is presented over on BETA they may have some way to provide this option.

'Til then it looks as if entering those dates manually is the simplest option.

Thoughts? Comments?

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Received from Patty Sliney via Groups.Io at 6/25/2018 10:24 PM UTC:

<<On the home page, </>/, all of the groups associated with the account that's logged in will be shown.>>

Not if they have two accounts. So, what I still need to know how to merge two accounts, when one account is an email that is no longer in use (almost always their original email they used with Yahoo Groups, for our list.). I don?€?t know what the Merge process looks like, and I need to be able to give my list members some more specific instructions. I can?€?t find that at all in the Help section. They can?€?t create a password using that old, original email address, as they cannot get to that auto email sent by <>groups.io to click on the link to be taken to their Account page. Could they try doing that with the new Account? Then, after creating a password, try to change their email to the OLD email address in order to get those two accounts merged? Then change BACK, again, to the newer (and functioning) email? Do you see the problem?

Patty Sliney
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Is there some overriding reason they can't log into the working account and resubscribe to the groups that were previously subscribed to via the now non-working account?

Yahoo had a Wizard that allowed merging accounts, but as I recall it didn't work - nor should it have worked - when the contact email address was invalid and thus couldn't confirm ownership.

Jim H

Duane, what I was meaning was for all Groups someone has joined, to be visible under one account main page, which, of course, requires that person to be able to merge those two (or possibly more) accounts.

However, it appears this is impossible to do, if the email used on the transferred Yahoo Group is an old, non-functioning email. I sent out several messages to both my Yahoo Groups, warning them to update their email addresses prior to the transfer, if needed, to a working and current email address. But, we still have a fair number of list members who apparently never read those messages, or, simply could not follow the instructions given. So, those list members will have to re-apply and lose their past Yahoo message history. I wonder if Mark is going to the-vamp the account merge process. The issue I see, is that you can use Groups.io in a limited fashion without having to create a password. So, not sure how the merge process could be changed to accommodate these types of issues without the problem you¡¯ve cited. So for now, those old Yahoo list members are out of luck. They¡¯ll just have to reapply it appears.?

Thanks Shal ... the more I look at this I might be able to grant the exclusivity we need by making "members" in our organization "moderators", then limiting access there. I haven't looked at that, as Bruce suggested, but I will.
Best regards,
Dennis

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 03:40 pm, Patty Sliney wrote:

<<On the home page,?/, all of the groups associated with the account that's logged in will be shown.>>

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Not if they have two accounts.

Yes, even with 2 (or more) accounts, the one that's logged in will show all the groups for that account.

So, what I still need to know how to merge two accounts, when one account is an email that is no longer in use

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Okay, here are a few examples of how differentiating between "subscribers" and "members" might be useful and offer more functionality to a lot of Groups...

1. Subscribers, via an email address, may immediately have access to a public Groups.io sites (forums?), as I believe Groups.io works now. Think of it as a great way to promote "membership" in an "organization" to which the forum (or Group if that's the correct term) is associated. Except, we want to limit access to new subscribers to view and download only; no posting, uploading anything, and no ability to "create" anything (files, folders, calendar entry, polls, etc.). This is somewhat possible now, I think, by requiring new subscribers to be moderated, except access control is very limited.

2. During a visit to the organization's Groups.io forum, the subscriber views and learns more about the organization itself and decides they want to become a "member" of the organization; maybe go to meetings, pay annual dues, attend functions, and reap all the benefits of joining the organization. Joining the "organization" also provides and grants full access to the Groups.io forum (less owner/moderator functions, of course). The individual is now both a subscriber, which gets them access to other public Groups.io sites, and a "member" of the organization with member-exclusive privileges in specific Groups.io sites (forums, etc).

Facilitating this additional layer of level-management would require the addition of a "members" category to the drop-down access menus ... Of course, I know it is certainly not as simple as that and would require a substantial change in the "what if" programming. Maybe not ... as I haven't looked at the code, of course.

Anyway, I hope this helps understand the suggestion, and certainly, there are Groups that don't or won't need it ... fine ... if you guys are happy, no need to comment to this message! Yahoo! Groups allowed us to differentiate between subscribers and members and we are missing that functionality. I imagine a few other immigrants from Yahoo! might be missing this layer of management as well.
Respectfully,
D.Gregory

Received from Michael Pavan at 6/25/2018 08:14 PM UTC:

On Jun 25, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:32 pm, Michael Pavan wrote:
So what I was asking is:
if (I use the New Topic feature) is there (a copy of my post somewhere in

my Groups.io group that I sent the message to), (and if so) how can I find it?

See /static/help#dupemail If you check the box, you

will receive a copy when you post online (as you wish), but will get a duplicate copy (i.e.: along with the one your client saved) whenever you send by email. If you uncheck the box, you will not get any emails you sent yourself, no matter where you send it from. You can't have it both ways.

Hope this helps,

No, it doesn't. My question has nothing to do with sending a message through my email provider.

Let me try the question again:

1) I click on "New Topic" on the GMF Groups.io group website (to which I am subscribed and have a Password)

2) I write and send a message.

3) It appears I have no copy of that message, unless and until it is approved and sent out to members of GMF

4) Only then do I have a copy of it (by receiving it through email) - if it is not approved, it seems I have no copy of it.

5) Before it is approved (if ever), is there a copy of my message submitted by clicking on "New Topic" on the GMF Groups.io group website, that I can find and refer to?

6) If so, where and how can I find it?

When posting via the web interface as you describe above, you cannot view the message you posted once submitting it until it is made visible to the entire group.

Perhaps a solution is to POST using an email client on your own computer and then read via whichever method you prefer.

Or perhaps copy the posting before submitting it and save/print it using something like WordPad until it appears on-line. (Yeah, I wouldn't go to that length either.)

Jim H

Received from Michael Pavan at 6/25/2018 08:03 PM UTC:

Members and Subscribers is synonymous.

I think of and understand:

Subscribers: as people who have a subscribed email address, but do not have a Password, and can only receive and send messages to a Groups.io group.

Members: as Subscribers who do have a Password, and can access the Groups.io group website to access all available features.

If those aren't the correct names to refer to these two distinct levels of Groups.io participation, what are?

There are no distinct levels of member/subscribership. Those two labels - member/subscriber - are synonymous. The "levels," if one chooses to think of it that way, are Owner, Moderator, member/subscriber... in that order. Moderators have additional privileges/authority/responsibility as granted by the Owner from a limited list of additional privileges/authorities/responsibilities.

Jim H

Michael,

As a former long time user of Yahoo Groups, I learned that making a post (new topic or reply) did not guarantee that I or anyone else would ever see a copy of it.

From that scenario, I got into the habit of making a backup copy for myself whenever I created a post. Saved me from recreating the post over from scratch many times.

I have not seen the need to make backups here as reliability has not been an issue.

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Gerald - THAT WAS IT! Many thanks ...

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Michael,

I think of and understand:

Subscribers: as people who have a subscribed email address, but do not
have a Password, and can only receive and send messages to a Groups.io
group.

Members: as Subscribers who do have a Password, and can access the
Groups.io group website to access all available features.

I like that usage as well, but am not consistent about it. And the Groups.io UI and help certainly aren't consistent in its usage.

However I'm inclined to use Subscriber in any email context, regardless of whether the person has a password or has ever used the web site or not.

If those aren¡¯t the correct names to refer to these two distinct
levels of Groups.io participation, what are?

Those "levels" are not as distinct in Groups.io as they were in Yahoo Groups, here they mostly reflect habitual participation.

One of the reasons the levels aren't as distinct is that every subscribed email address has a corresponding account - whether or not the user ever logged in to the web site to access it. Also, users can access their account (and groups subscribed by that account) at any time without setting or using a password - they can log in using a link sent by email instead.

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On Jun 25, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Michael,

if (I use the New Topic feature) is there (a copy of my post somewhere
in my Groups.io group that I sent the message to), (and if so) how can
I find it?

No there is not. Nor is there for replies you post via the group's Messages section. They only surface if approved to post in the group.

It would be nice if there were an equivalent of the Sent folder, say on your Subscription page. Failing that, or maybe in addition to it, it would also be nice if there were a BCC me checkbox in both places (New Topic and Reply). It is possible that one or both ideas have been discussed in beta:

Thanks for hearing my question and clarifying.

(My response to the other non-answer to my question passed each other by while posting) :)

On Jun 25, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:32 pm, Michael Pavan wrote:
So what I was asking is:
if (I use the New Topic feature) is there (a copy of my post somewhere in my Groups.io group that I sent the message to), (and if so) how can I find it?
See /static/help#dupemail If you check the box, you will receive a copy when you post online (as you wish), but will get a duplicate copy (i.e.: along with the one your client saved) whenever you send by email. If you uncheck the box, you will not get any emails you sent yourself, no matter where you send it from. You can't have it both ways.

Hope this helps,

No, it doesn¡¯t. My question has nothing to do with sending a message through my email provider.

Let me try the question again:

1) I click on ¡°New Topic¡± on the GMF Groups.io group website (to which I am subscribed and have a Password)

2) I write and send a message.

3) It appears I have no copy of that message, unless and until it is approved and sent out to members of GMF

4) Only then do I have a copy of it (by receiving it through email) - if it is not approved, it seems I have no copy of it.

5) Before it is approved (if ever), is there a copy of my message submitted by clicking on ¡°New Topic¡± on the GMF Groups.io group website, that I can find and refer to?

6) If so, where and how can I find it?

Michael,

if (I use the New Topic feature) is there (a copy of my post somewhere
in my Groups.io group that I sent the message to), (and if so) how can
I find it?

No there is not. Nor is there for replies you post via the group's Messages section. They only surface if approved to post in the group.

It would be nice if there were an equivalent of the Sent folder, say on your Subscription page. Failing that, or maybe in addition to it, it would also be nice if there were a BCC me checkbox in both places (New Topic and Reply). It is possible that one or both ideas have been discussed in beta:


Shal


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Members and Subscribers is synonymous.

I think of and understand:

Subscribers: as people who have a subscribed email address, but do not have a Password, and can only receive and send messages to a Groups.io group.

Members: as Subscribers who do have a Password, and can access the Groups.io group website to access all available features.

If those aren¡¯t the correct names to refer to these two distinct levels of Groups.io participation, what are?

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:32 pm, Michael Pavan wrote:

So what I was asking is:
if (I use the New Topic feature) is there (a copy of my post somewhere in my Groups.io group that I sent the message to), (and if so) how can I find it?

See /static/help#dupemail? If you check the box, you will receive a copy when you post online (as you wish), but will get a duplicate copy (i.e.: along with the one your client saved) whenever you send by email.?If you uncheck the box, you will not get any emails you sent yourself, no matter where you send it from. You can't have it both ways.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:31 pm, Tom H wrote:

would an optional setting for Files and Photos Permissions be a reasonable request?

I have encountered many situations where this would be handy, including the placement of a group photo on the group's home page (using an <img> tag) and being able to insert a link to our membership application in our Pending Subscription notice.

Optimally, I would prefer it to be a security option at the folder level, not a group setting. If you were to I would give it a bump.?

Regards,
Bruce?
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:30 pm, Denny G. wrote:

It's not clear what the difference is between Subscribers and Members, and both terms are found in SETTINGS. An example of how this can work for us (and possibly others) is, if we want to have "members" be able to create albums, upload and edit in PHOTOS, but "subscribers" be able to view and download only. It would include adding more "members" selections to the drop-down selections in settings.

Members and Subscribers is synonymous. If you want to give any of your subscribers special privileges, you have to make them Moderators.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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