I have three yahoo groups for a single club:? SoARChat, SoARBusiness, and SoARBOD.? The first is for anyone, the second is for paid members of the club, and the third is for the board of the club, with corresponding permissions.? The main problem with this set up is the potential for double- or even triple-posting, and members who forget to subscribe to the chat, and so miss the general discussions, or members who forget to subscribe to the business group and never get event updates/cancellations.??

It sounds like I can just set up a single GIO group, and set it up to have the subgroups Chat, Business, and BOD.? Each subgroup would have its own settings. Then I would just assign the subgroups to people as they subscribe to the main group.? ?

would I be able to transfer the three groups (with their associated files/photos/data/archive) to the new group without scrambling things up? Or can the transfer of each go to a subgroup vs. the main group???

As long as you have the permission needed to make transfer@ groups.io a moderator, that will do. As mentioned in the instructions, that account needs no permissions enabled.

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 11:56 pm, Sandy Brentano wrote:

I'm trying to transfer our yahoo Group but I don't understand how to do step 2 of the Easy Group Transfer process.

You invite the transfer agent's email address ([email protected]) to your YAHOO group.

Instructions can be found at

Attempting to invite it to your new group at groups.io is a common error.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

I expect to move a Yahoo Group to Groups.io.,
Does the Owner of the Yahoo Group have to make me an Owner or will just being appointed as Moderator do?
Thanks,.
Richard

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 05:21 am, Pete AE5PL wrote:

no action has occurred on this group

This group is other users of the site and no one from Groups.io monitors it. We have no official capacity and can only attempt to figure out why people are having difficulties.

It seems to me that if it were a problem with Exchange servers that all members using any of the MS email services - Outlook, MSN, etc. - would have problems and that's not happening. Unless MS isn't using their own product.

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 06:06 pm, <[email protected]> wrote:

I just logged onto my Yahoo account to delete my YGroups

May I suggest you do not delete the YG but make it moderated.
That way you can catch any of your members who have not logged in to GIO.

I thought of that too late for one of my transfers.
Arno

Searched but did not find anything.
I would like to see the time of day next to the date of posts.
Arno

This is incorrect -- Groups.io's messages pass SPF.

That's because SPF tests the envelope-From, not the header-From. During the handshake between Groups.io's server and the receiving email service Groups.io's server correctly presents its own domain during the SMTP transaction (envelope-From).

Not true. While -some- email servers use the envelope-From in SPF validation, -all- Exchange servers (most enterprise and business servers including Office 365) use the actual from address as well since this is a common form of spoofing.

Those servers really should be using the envelope-From, not the header-From for blocking purposes, matching the implementation of SPF. At worst, an internal header-From domain arriving from outside should be a demerit in the server's spam filter.

"Those servers", again, are -all- Microsoft Exchange servers blocking domain origin.? I have tested and, again like SPF, Exchange blocks both envelope-From and header-From since that, again, is a common method of spoofing.? I realize you don't like or have experience with Microsoft Exchange or its common deployment (it also does not directly implement DMARC), but it is the most used enterprise and business mail server.? As I indicated before, to deny this fact is to tell millions of potential users of groups.io "we don't want you".

Groups.io's practice does not cause bouncing, nor is it causing a problems for Groups.io's users. Mark is very sensitive to deliverability issues and if it were a problem he'd be on it.

Yes it is, I have experienced it directly, reported it here (where is the only place I am aware of reporting these issues), and have been met with statements like this that ignore a large set of users who may not know why they are being blocked.? I am savvy enough to recognize what is going on, why it is happening, and to report what the root cause is.? That is what I have done with this post.

As you may have figured out in the mean time, beta is just a group; there is no separate beta test platform. Anyone can join the group and post there. It serves as Groups.io's official "suggestion board".

Like you, I have a day job which does not include debugging other people's products.? No, I had not "figured out" "beta is just a group".? I guess maybe this should all be reported over there since no action has occurred on this group other than your statements that it is a non-issue.? BTW, Yahoo has always supported having groups show the From as being the group, not the user so it would pass server tests that the from is not improperly originating from a non-domain-owned mail server.? I also make this statement based on experience with Y! groups.

I guess I need to open this over on the beta group.? Thank you for letting me know where to go with this issue.

Hello, I'm not understanding Step 2. ? I'm trying to transfer our yahoo Group but I don't understand how to do step 2 of the Easy Group Transfer process. I don't have a clue how or where or from where to send the invite. Step 2 Send an invite from your Yahoo Group to?[email protected] ? I've had 2 stroke's and confuse easily, I'm so sorry I have to bother you all. But I really want to get our group going on groups.io and get RID of yahoo! ? Please help me, please. Thank you. ? Blessings to all, SandyB ? ?

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Pete,

Sorry for the delayed response. My day job has kept me busier than normal lately and I've neglected a backlog of messages.

That is correct regarding SPFs and that is why a server doing SPF
checking is going to consider an email "from" domain X is invalid
because it came from groups.io servers.

This is incorrect -- Groups.io's messages pass SPF.

That's because SPF tests the envelope-From, not the header-From. During the handshake between Groups.io's server and the receiving email service Groups.io's server correctly presents its own domain during the SMTP transaction (envelope-From).

My example has nothing to do with DMARC but shows how "spoofing" that
an email is directly from someone is, in fact, a red flag to proper
email handling. Other mail lists do not do this type of spoofing and
are therefore not blocked.

Historically leaving the header-From address unmodified was typical email list behavior. Now many do replace the header From, but not all.

Yahoo Groups didn't make this change until the advent of DMARC, which was a "forcing function" for many lists.


It was not until DMARC introduced the requirement that the header-From be /aligned/ with the envelope-From that many email lists began experiencing deliverability problems, and changed their handling of the From: header field.

There are servers that do not use DMARC records but still block email
for internal domains that appear to originate from outside.

Those servers really should be using the envelope-From, not the header-From for blocking purposes, matching the implementation of SPF. At worst, an internal header-From domain arriving from outside should be a demerit in the server's spam filter.

Worse, this is not explained anywhere in groups.io information on what
would cause bouncing that was not occurring in groups that get
transferred and we are stuck with the transfer and a large number of
users who no longer can use the service.

Groups.io's practice does not cause bouncing, nor is it causing a problems for Groups.io's users. Mark is very sensitive to deliverability issues and if it were a problem he'd be on it.

You indicated getting this option in "beta". How do I do that and how
do I get my groups set up to be part of that beta?

As you may have figured out in the mean time, beta is just a group; there is no separate beta test platform. Anyone can join the group and post there. It serves as Groups.io's official "suggestion board".


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Larry,

The following message came up: "Yahoo is now part of Oath, the media
and tech company behind today’s top news, sports and entertainment
sites and apps."

That Verizon bought Yahoo's internet properties, including Yahoo Groups, and put them under the Oath division is old news.

Note that the name Yahoo lives on as a brand name under Oath. So far at least they've not decided to re-brand any of the services.

It went on to list their terms of service, etc.

That's probably the reason for the notice. Many internet companies have recently revised their terms of service and/or privacy policies ahead of the new law going into effect in most of Europe.

If I recall correctly, Oath started presenting a new TOS to users of Yahoo Mail and Yahoo Groups (and presumably other formerly Yahoo properties) several weeks ago; establishing their name as the service provider, replacing Yahoo Inc.

My group members are happy with the move ...

Some of us here still have an interest in Yahoo-related things (groups hosted there), but I imagine that will continue to dwindle over time.

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I just logged onto my Yahoo account to delete my YGroups which have been successfully moved to groups.io
The following message came up: "Yahoo is now part of Oath, the media and tech company behind today’s top news, sports and entertainment sites and apps."
It went on to list their terms of service, etc.

My group members are happy with the move and relieved we no longer have to deal with Yahoo's total disregard for their customers.

Larry W.

Bruce,

I'm trying to convince a Y!G that I'm a member of to transfer. In
doing so, I sent a message to that group and CC'ed the corresponding
GIO group.

I did not receive a copy of the message by email, but it posted to the
group.

Addressing the group in either the To or CC shouldn't matter to whether you receive the message. Or to whether others receive it either.

It's as if I temporarily went into my Account settings and disabled
the "send me copies."

What that option does is cause Groups.io to replace the message's Message-ID field when sending it back to you. That's a recent change: it used to replace the field in the copy sent to everyone else as well.

This only affects users whose email service (such as Gmail) hides messages from you if you already have them, in your inbox or your Sent folder. Changing the ID makes it a different message.

So if you use such a service perhaps you fooled the mechanism, or it has a bug. Or maybe the message was diverted to your Spam or other folder. But I'm betting the message was actually delivered to your email service.

Shal


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Thanks all - gives me some good options.

John

Carin,

Is it possible to change the text
You will see this when you sign up for a group.

Nope.

You can compose a Pending Subscription notice that will be emailed to the person, but you can't alter the text on the web site.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

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John,

1) Group owner or moderator mutes a topic for all members OR

No.

2) Member can mute a topic prior to receiving an email.

Members can mute a hashtag, and that would mute all topics sent with that hashtag.

The other option is that members can select following-only (an Advanced preference) and then they receive only the topics they choose to follow.

My reason - I want new members to go through the approval process
when they join the group instead of waiting until they want to post
something

I've no idea what your approval process is, but even a group with open membership has a Welcome Notice that goes to people when they join. You could edit your group's Welcome notice so that it is the start of your process.

Having the group set to New Member Moderated (which it must be if it isn't Restricted, Announcement, or Moderated) doesn't mean that you have to wait for the member to post before removing the moderation requirement. In response to whatever process you used following their joining you can preemptively change the new member's Posting Privilege from "Override: new user moderated" to "Default group policy". Once you've done that he/she is no longer subject to the N approved messages requirement.

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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 04:33 pm, John Fields wrote:

It is an open group. ?Anyone can join and view messages but must get approved before posting. ?I understand your point. ?However, this is in the area of amateur radio and the other successful Groups.io and Facebook groups allow someone to see messages before posting.

You can have a restricted-membership group and still have the message archive visible to the public. One has nothing to do with the other.?

Bruce

Frances - thanks for your message. ?I have looked at the thread per your suggestion and need to think some about if/how that will work for me.

Bob - It is an open group. ?Anyone can join and view messages but must get approved before posting. ?I understand your point. ?However, this is in the area of amateur radio and the other successful Groups.io and Facebook groups allow someone to see messages before posting. ?That seems to work best in this area. ?Thanks for your comments.

John

John,?
Since you haven't given us much info it's difficult to give you a solution.
Is your group restricted?
If not, why not make it restricted?? Then you could control new member entry and the process they must go through prior to actually being able to post of view or send & receive email messages.
This also is an advantage since you can impose moderation on the new member in addition till you're satisfied they are legit and not out to hack you.

My view is that unrestricted groups quickly gather unwanted members.

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