Hi all, When I set up a new group with a publicly viewable?archive, can I revert it later on to a private archive? Ary ?
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Re: 2 hour and 11 minute gap in messages yesterday in our group. 42 message numbers missing
Bob, Has anyone else experienced a gap like this yesterday or any other
time? I haven't noticed a gap, but I haven't gone looking either. Are there any clues in the group's activity logs? Yesterday was a very active day on that board. Could the system be
counting Drafts that were not completed? That could be. If you want to test it in a low-traffic environment without disturbing a "real" group, you're welcome to try making some posts and drafts in my test group. Shal /g/shalstest
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2 hour and 11 minute gap in messages yesterday in our group. 42 message numbers missing
Has anyone else experienced a gap like this yesterday or any other time? Or, can someone give me a possible explanation? None of our moderators delete messages unless they communicate to the 'senior' moderators first. Yesterday was a very active day on that board. ?Could the system be counting Drafts that were not completed?
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Re: Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 04:20 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I think it has been suggested in beta@ that wiki moderation might also be a
good thing.
There's currently a check box at the bottom of a Wiki page when editing for "Only moderators can edit this page." I don't think anyone else would see it. I've set that on a few pages, such as my Group Guidelines. I would like to see Wiki changes moderated though. It was on the Trello list the last time I looked. Duane
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
And to that I also say, sort of :-). Because if there is no delay, there's no information. There's no reliable access to the information.
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On Jul 26, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
J,
Every member of every Grouos.io group knows by the 'M' badge in their
groups list if they're on moderated status. Correct.
They do not know who *else* is on moderated status. Including the info
in the headers would reveal that to them. Sort of.
Joseph's method (looking for a delay) will work just as well on someone else's message as on on your own if you have it in individual mail and can examine the Received: header fields.
A member can't use View Source on the web to do that (alas, or thank goodness, depending on your point of view).
Shal
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Re: Help items for general use
Mike, I've had to moderate members because of all this attached junk. Does
anyone know where it comes from and how to stop it? It comes from a long-standing bug Yahoo Mail. If you're seeing this in a Groups.io group, and especially in a reply to a Groups.io message, that's an interesting new tidbit of information. Is your group set to "Plain Text Only"? Shal
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
J, Every member of every Grouos.io group knows by the 'M' badge in their
groups list if they're on moderated status. Correct. They do not know who *else* is on moderated status. Including the info
in the headers would reveal that to them. Sort of. Joseph's method (looking for a delay) will work just as well on someone else's message as on on your own if you have it in individual mail and can examine the Received: header fields. A member can't use View Source on the web to do that (alas, or thank goodness, depending on your point of view). Shal
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 05:53 pm, Bob Bellizzi wrote: The only people who see the groups lists are Moderators and Owners Everyone has access to their own list of groups, members and moderators alike. In that list, every unmoderated group in which the member is moderated in will have an "M" next to it.
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
Everything is moderated here, and that¡¯s fine. I use an Outlook email client and all I have to do is look at the time sent and time received to see if there is an ordinary delay or an unusual delay. Wouldn¡¯t matter which list. ? Some list members use a web mail reader, some use a desktop client. ? Scott Bonacker CPA ¨C McCullough and Associates LLC ¨C Springfield, MO ?
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From: Joseph Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] How to know if a member is moderated? [was: Duplicate Threads - Subject changed and excess quotes trimmed by moderator] Members can still figure out whether on their unmoderated status or not. Especially if you have your account set to receive off copies of messages. It's obvious whenever you know when you sent the message and then the message and then later posted. So nothing can be hidden by that and Lexmark decides to remove the functionality of receiving your own coffee of post. ? ? I think you'd have to look in logs for whether a message was approved by a moderator. This information is not currently included in the header, because that would cause it to be available to all members. Whether of not to include it was the basis of a very recent discussion in beta, with Mark deciding to forego putting that info in the header due to strong feelings by some moderators about not letting all members know which members' messages are moderated and which are not (I.e., who in the group is on moderation and who is not in an unmoderated group).
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
Just proved my point. ?At least 5 minutes and my previous reply to this thread hasn't appeared.
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
The only people who see the groups lists are Moderators and Owners. ?It's a point we might forget because we are so used to having it. I have a couple of psuedonyms with different or no privileges I use to check these things. With one of those I logged in and cannot see the members list for one of the groups I own and also manage.
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Re: Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item
Bob,
?Twice I've added a new
page but it isn't showing up in the Wiki at all.
I see two new pages you've added to GMF's wiki:
"
A step by step on how to get online at groups.io the first time"
and
"
Step by step process to get online at groups.io with additional basic
navigation". Both are listed in the "Pages" list
(button at the bottom of the wiki home page.
GMF has a customized wiki Home page; items do not get added to it
automatically (unlike the default wiki page, which is just an Index that
basically duplicates the Pages list). When a group has a page named
"Home" that page replaces the default Index. This allows
customization but also means that one must manually edit the Home page to
add any page links to it.
So, as I said to Janice (in another thread), When you think the topic is
ready to be "published" you can add a link to it on the wiki
home page, or ask me to do that for you. Meanwhile, you can get back to
your page through the "Pages" drop-list.
?I'm probably on the
Moderated list since I notice a delay in my postings
?and that possibly prevents my new Wiki page from
showing.
Nope. Message moderation has nothing to do with Wiki pages. I think it
has been suggested in beta@ that wiki moderation might also be a good
thing. I have requested notification of wiki page updates or creation,
and wait eagerly for the "notifications overhaul" which I hope
will implement that.
By the way, GMF@ is 100% moderated, even my own posts. But that's a
different topic if you care to discuss it.
?How do I make one of our
groups' Wiki public?
In the "Features" section of your group's Settings page (at the
bottom) there's a control for the Wiki. In GMF I have it set to
"Public can view, Subscribers can view and edit". That's the
most permissive setting, the rest are more restrictive.
Shal
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
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Every member of every group knows by the 'M' badge in their groups list if they're on moderated status. They do not know who *else* is on moderated status. Including the info in the headers would reveal that to them.
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On Jul 26, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Joseph Hudson < jhud7789@...> wrote: [was: Duplicate Threads - Subject changed and excess quotes trimmed by moderator] Members can still figure out whether on their unmoderated status or not. Especially if you have your account set to receive off copies of messages. It's obvious whenever you know when you sent the message and then the message and then later posted. So nothing can be hidden by that and Lexmark decides to remove the functionality of receiving your own coffee of post.
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I've had to moderate members because of all this attached junk. ?Does anyone know where it comes from and how to stop it??
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Re: Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item
Both of your pages were created, yesterday and today. They won't show on the main page unless you insert links for them. Right now, you can find them by going to the Pages button at the bottom and selecting them from the list. They're named:
Step by step process to get online at groups.io with additional basic navigation (from yesterday)
A step by step on how to get online at groups.io the first time
On your group, you go to the Settings page. At the very bottom, you can set the Wiki options. On here, it's set to "Public can view, Subscribers can view and edit"
Duane
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Re: How to know if a member is moderated
[was: Duplicate Threads - Subject changed and excess quotes trimmed by moderator] Members can still figure out whether on their unmoderated status or not. Especially if you have your account set to receive off copies of messages. It's obvious whenever you know when you sent the message and then the message and then later posted. So nothing can be hidden by that and Lexmark decides to remove the functionality of receiving your own coffee of post.
Joseph Hudson Email I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook Twitter ?
FaceTime/iMessage
I think you'd have to look in logs for whether a message was approved by a moderator. This information is not currently included in the header, because that would cause it to be available to all members. Whether of not to include it was the basis of a very recent discussion in beta, with Mark deciding to forego putting that info in the header due to strong feelings by some moderators about not letting all members know which members' messages are moderated and which are not (I.e., who in the group is on moderation and who is not in an unmoderated group).
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Re: Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item
Twice I've added a new page but it isn't showing up in the Wiki at all I may be ignorant but following all of the advice I made both attempts to no avail. I'm probably on the Moderated list since I notice a delay in my postings and that possibly prevents my new Wiki page from showing.
So I need to ask one more question. How do I make one of our groups' Wiki public?
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Janice, Why are there sometimes duplicate threads? ... I have checked and the
spelling and wording of the thread titles are exactly the same. When a message is received (either via email or posted using the group's web pages) there are two factors that determine whether it will be appended to an existing thread or start a new one. One factor is visible: does the Subject field match an existing thread Subject. Certain variations are allowed, such as having Re: prefixed to the subject. Missing or added hashtags might also be allowed as a match. The other factor can only be seen in the message header (View Source), and that is whether the message is marked as "In-Reply-To," or it "References," a message that is in an existing thread. When you use the Reply function in the group's web page the In-Reply-To field is always marked appropriately. Most email user interfaces will also mark a reply, most of the time. It could be that the messages that started a duplicate to an existing thread were sent by email, from a user interface that didn't mark the message "In-Reply-To" (or "References"). I've seen some instances where an email UI that normally gets that right will fail to mark a message if you duplicate the unsent draft and send the duplicate draft instead of the original. To avoid that limitation, there's one more rule. If the message is not marked "In-Reply-To" (or "References") but the message Subject begins with "Re" and matches a thread that is less than a week old then this message is added to that thread anyway. The bottom line is, in normal circumstances your threads shouldn't be broken into separate parts with the same Subject. A careful examination of the message headers of the messages in each separate thread may reveal why a message started a new thread when it apparently should have appended to an existing one. As a moderator you can put the threads back together using the Merge function in the Threads View list. See the drop-menu to the right of the date of each thread. Shal
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I think you'd have to look in logs for whether a message was approved by a moderator. This information is not currently included in the header, because that would cause it to be available to all members. Whether of not to include it was the basis of a very recent discussion in beta, with Mark deciding to forego putting that info in the header due to strong feelings by some moderators about not letting all members know which members' messages are moderated and which are not (I.e., who in the group is on moderation and who is not in an unmoderated group).
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On Jul 26, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Marlin47@... wrote:
Janice, I have one possible explanation.?
I own a couple of freecycle groups, that are moderated.
There have been times where I have approved a message, only to
notice that the message has not come through the group, maybe for
6 to 8 hours.
So, I approve it again, only to see it come through twice within a
minute or two, both with the same time stamp.
If other messages were approved in the meantime, then there would
be messages between the two identical messages.
Your clue would be to look at the complete header and note whether
the messages had to be approved by a moderator, and if so, check
the time they were approved, it will probably show two different
times if the situation was like I described.
Otherwise, I would not know.
Marlin
On 7/26/2016 8:25 AM, weebeequilting wrote:
Why are there sometimes duplicate threads? ?Sometimes they are
listed one below the other and sometimes there are other threads
in between. ?I have checked and the spelling and wording of the
thread titles are exactly the same. ?
Thanks for any clues about this.
Janice B
AZ
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Janice, I have one possible explanation.?
I own a couple of freecycle groups, that are moderated.
There have been times where I have approved a message, only to
notice that the message has not come through the group, maybe for
6 to 8 hours.
So, I approve it again, only to see it come through twice within a
minute or two, both with the same time stamp.
If other messages were approved in the meantime, then there would
be messages between the two identical messages.
Your clue would be to look at the complete header and note whether
the messages had to be approved by a moderator, and if so, check
the time they were approved, it will probably show two different
times if the situation was like I described.
Otherwise, I would not know.
Marlin
On 7/26/2016 8:25 AM, weebeequilting wrote:
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Why are there sometimes duplicate threads? ?Sometimes they are
listed one below the other and sometimes there are other threads
in between. ?I have checked and the spelling and wording of the
thread titles are exactly the same. ?
Thanks for any clues about this.
Janice B
AZ
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Shal Farley
Duane