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Re: Owner locked out

 

Hi Jane

You say you tried the email me a link and it didn't work? ie you didn't receive it?

First have you checked your spam folder?

Or have you changed email addresses recently?

Until you are logged in as owner your Admin functions will not show

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 16/02/2025 21:01, Jane Gilman via groups.io wrote:
I've logged in from my?2 browsers.? I followed your suggestion to "email me a link" with no luck.
I cannot locate the Admin function on our home page or anywhere.? I can't access our member list. My last access was. on January?7 and I changed nothing since. (This is a good reminder to?all to?build in some redundancy in case you also are locked out.) ?CAN ANYONE HELP ME?? I welcome all suggestions.
Re: Owner locked out

 

On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 04:27 PM, Jane Gilman wrote:
My last access was. on January?7 and I changed nothing since.
Your login cookie would have expired, so you'll need to log in again using the proper account.
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Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
Re: Owner locked out

Jane Gilman
 

I've logged in from my?2 browsers.? I followed your suggestion to "email me a link" with no luck.?

I cannot locate the Admin function on our home page or anywhere.? I can't access our member list. My last access was. on January?7 and I changed nothing since. (This is a good reminder to?all to?build in some redundancy in case you also are locked out.) ?CAN ANYONE HELP ME?? I welcome all suggestions.

On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 11:24?AM Frances via <frances=[email protected]> wrote:
I am using a password keeper so there is little chance I entered an incorrect pw. Nevertheless I followed all the steps for requesting a new password, getting the email link and going back in but it never worked and I got trapped in a loop of rejection.
How about trying a different browser and then using Email Me A Link To Login if the password doesn't work?
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Frances
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Re: Owner Status Changed #access #groupowner #owner

Jane Gilman
 

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I am having this problem too. Like others, I didn¡¯t change anything. ?One day everything was regular. ?The next, it wasn¡¯t. ?Since I don¡¯t show as Owner or Moderator I can¡¯t get to the Admin functions. ? Can anyone help? ?

On Feb 15, 2025, at 12:15, Dan Lepinski, P.E. via groups.io <Dan@...> wrote:

> If that's the case, then you not having ownership status
> would indicate an ownerless group, which I didn't think
> was possible.
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It's not "ownerless".? I'm still getting owner e-mail and messages sent to the "owner" address.
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Problem is, I'm not shown as "owner" when I log into that group, and don't have "owner" or "moderator" privileges.? Two of my four groups are still showing my correct status.
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To reiterate, I've changed nothing on my end.? I'm now not shown as "owner" no matter what computer I use.
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Dan
Re: How do I know if a member is reading our content

 

On a group that I co-own, the founder was upset when someone who recently joined didn't contribute and was concerned that?he might not even be reading postings. In fact, I? pointed out to him that several people whom we both know who are experts in the subject matter monitor the group ("lurk", as one of them put it) but don't contribute. Somehow he didn't feel the same way about them.?

I really could not fathom why he was upset about this. If a lurker leaves, or a member doesn't even lurk, it doesn't make him more invisible. They don't?affect anything that?the active participants are doing. He eventually accepted my way of thinking.?

I can understand it better if it's a free group about to reach its 100-member limit,?or if there are enough silent participants to?seriously?affect the?membership charge for a large paid group. But aside from that, as far as I can see, silent viewing, non-viewing and leaving the group all have absolutely?no effect on?what active participants are doing and getting from the group. Someone said it's unfair if someone hangs around and doesn't read postings, but the original poster felt it was fair if they do read postings but don't contribute. I just don't see the difference.?

-P.

On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 2:01?PM Don Grass via <dgrass1=[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 06:26 AM, Maclean Kirkwood wrote:
once a year I ask members to "opt-in" to stay on the list.
I do the same thing, but I do that every few years. My group is small too with maybe 100 regular members, and once it builds up to 200 to 250 I know after the purge it will go back to around 100 again. Many people join to see what the sight is about, then never come back again for whatever their reason., and never unsubscribe. I understand this because there are sights I have joined years ago, but still go back after a long time being gone just to see what has been happening. I suspect based on my own experience, some sights with huge looking memberships numbers, would actually be much smaller if they did a purge.
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Don G
Periodic Subscriber Purging (was: How do I know if a member is reading our content?)

 

On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 09:26 AM, Maclean Kirkwood wrote:
However, once a year I ask members to "opt-in" to stay on the list.
I'm not aware of any way to make a subscription expire, nor does it seem desirable to post an inquiry to the group and have 100 "keep me" responses come back (much less edit all the affected subscription records). So I'm curious as to how you do this. Does it involve File Sync?
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Regards,
Bruce
Re: How do I know if a member is reading our content

 

On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 06:26 AM, Maclean Kirkwood wrote:
once a year I ask members to "opt-in" to stay on the list.
I do the same thing, but I do that every few years. My group is small too with maybe 100 regular members, and once it builds up to 200 to 250 I know after the purge it will go back to around 100 again. Many people join to see what the sight is about, then never come back again for whatever their reason., and never unsubscribe. I understand this because there are sights I have joined years ago, but still go back after a long time being gone just to see what has been happening. I suspect based on my own experience, some sights with huge looking memberships numbers, would actually be much smaller if they did a purge.
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Don G
Re: Owner locked out

 

Thank you all . Happily the suggestion to use another browser broke the circle of doom and I am now back in three of my four groups. I don't use a VPN so I didn't have to go that route.? Emmily?
Re: How do I know if a member is reading our content

 

Thankyou for your wide ranging views - obviously there is no direct way of knowing which members just read the forum postings only - barry
Re: Subgroup deleted, anyway to retrieve its contents? Also, trying to back up all other subgroups and the export button is missing.

 

On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 08:34 AM, debcozumel wrote:
Is it now somewhere else and the manual hasn¡¯t yet updated the instructions?
Yes, there are a lot of things that aren't exactly right in the manual.? In this case, the Export is at Admin > Preferences > Export.
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FYI, there's a beta version of the new Owners Manual at /newhelpcenter/manual/ownersmanual that has the correct path to follow.? Since the path will change when the manuals come out of beta, keep an eye on updates.
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Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
Re: How do I know if a member is reading our content

 

Hi,
if you want to take this 1 step further, you can charge for membership, and remove anyone from your group who doesn¡®t pay. You could give a discount to ?contributors¡° (those who post) or grant free membership to them, based on the activity log.
But I consider it my own private business when I read a message/contribution or if I ignore it. I would consider an automatic check a breach of privacy.?
WhatsApp has such a mechanism, but that¡¯s a chat system, and even there you can decide not to make that information visible to others.?
Thomas
Re: How do I know if a member is reading our content

 

On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 08:25 AM, Mike Hanauer wrote:
If they get no emails (or special only), I suspect they are not really interested
Or are reading online, as I do.
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Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
Subgroup deleted, anyway to retrieve its contents? Also, trying to back up all other subgroups and the export button is missing.

 

We have a main group with 7 subgroups and Premium subscription. One subgroup was deleted last night -accidentally or maliciously. We¡¯ve removed that person from all the groups so they hopefully can¡¯t delete other subgroups. We can¡¯t rule out that we have somehow been hacked though. I¡±m trying to export all the groups so we now have a back up. I¡¯ve done this before but only for my subgroup and not recently. Now the export button is missing.
2 questions - 1 Does a premium subscription come with any backup? 2 - I¡¯m following the instructions in the manual to export but the export button is gone and I can¡¯t find it anywhere. Is it now somewhere else and the manual hasn¡¯t yet updated the instructions?
Thanks in advance for the help you¡¯re able to offer.
Re: How do I know if a member is reading our content

 

I don't concern myself with who is reading messages and "participating".
However, once a year I ask members to "opt-in" to stay on the list. This might?be difficult for those with large memberships.
My group is small so the member count floats between 70 and 100.? If someone "opts-in", I know that they are interested
in staying on the list. I'm ok with lurkers.
Re: How do I know if a member is reading our content

 

Why? Most groups include some who ask questions and others who try to answer those questions. Both of those 2 groups we could call ¡°contributors¡±; the rest might do neither but they still like to learn from what the others post. What is wrong with that?

Otto

On 16 Feb 2025, at 13:23, Barry via groups.io <supermarine1931@...> wrote:

I consider on balance that it is my business to know who is just watching our group as opposed to being positively involved. We are not restricted in terms of numbers of members, because we are a specialist group with a specialist interest. We have only 160 members.

Of those numbers maybe 15-20 hold it all together at most. The efforts of those to keep it going is therefore considerable. We see on average 100 posts per month. If I knew who the watchers were, as opposed to the contributors - I'd ask them to leave, its as simple as that. This being on the basis of it being wholly fair on those that contribute - who wants to talk to no-one - barry.
Re: How do I know if a member is reading our content

 

One indication is the delivery mode.

If they get no emails (or special only), I suspect they are not really interested - or only want to be members to occasionally post - "write only".

If they get a digest or summary, I assume some reading interest.

And why would someone continue to get single emails, at least on a reasonably busy list, if they don't read them?

Not perfect, but an indication me thinks.

AllTheBest.

?¡°Anyone who believes in unlimited growth is either a madman or an economist¡±. -Kenneth Boulding
? ? ~Mike


On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 09:02:53 AM EST, Bruce Bowman via groups.io <bowman46118@...> wrote:


On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 11:47 PM, Barry wrote:
How do I know whether they are even reading our content or otherwise ? Its always the same people who contribute (give or take a little) but our activity tab doesnt show when a member reads content only if they ever contribute
It's a legitimate question, for sure.

Personally, I feel that posting might be a contribution, while reading is not. It's in fact difficult to see how reading messages could ever become a logged activity. Just because a message was displayed on the screen doesn't mean it's been read. And a substantial fraction of members don't read their messages online at all. Confirming that an email was sent to them is just about the best you can do.
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We have only 160 members.
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Of those numbers maybe 15-20 hold it all together at most.
My experience is that in any given group/club, 10% of the people will end up doing 90% of the work. Groups.io is not an exception.
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Regards,
Bruce
Re: How do I know if a member is reading our content

 

On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 11:47 PM, Barry wrote:
How do I know whether they are even reading our content or otherwise ? Its always the same people who contribute (give or take a little) but our activity tab doesnt show when a member reads content only if they ever contribute
It's a legitimate question, for sure.

Personally, I feel that posting might be a contribution, while reading is not. It's in fact difficult to see how reading messages could ever become a logged activity. Just because a message was displayed on the screen doesn't mean it's been read. And a substantial fraction of members don't read their messages online at all. Confirming that an email was sent to them is just about the best you can do.
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We have only 160 members.
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Of those numbers maybe 15-20 hold it all together at most.
My experience is that in any given group/club, 10% of the people will end up doing 90% of the work. Groups.io is not an exception.
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Regards,
Bruce
Re: How do I know if a member is reading our content

 

I consider on balance that it is my business to know who is just watching our group as opposed to being positively involved. We are not restricted in terms of numbers of members, because we are a specialist group with a specialist interest. We have only 160 members.
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Of those numbers maybe 15-20 hold it all together at most. The efforts of those to keep it going is therefore considerable. We see on average 100 posts per month. If I knew who the watchers were, as opposed to the contributors - I'd ask them to leave, its as simple as that. This being on the basis of it being wholly fair on those that contribute - who wants to talk to no-one - barry.
Re: How do I know if a member is reading our content

 

(I find the framing of that question a little off-putting...)

I am owner of several groups that are relatively small (10 to 20 members).? These are *participatory* groups, like teams.? While we don't specify how much people must participate, no member is allowed to just lurk.? (Of course, we don't really need a mechanism to show us who has read emails, since we can tell who isn't participating.)

From: "Sarah Shapiro via groups.io" <sarahseventytwo@...>
To: "GroupManagersForum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 11:50:34 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] How do I know if a member is reading our content
Why is it any business of yours if they are reading messages?? Is there a requirement for membership in your group to participate publicly?


?>....doesnt show when a member reads content only if they ever contribute


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Re: Owner Status Changed #access #groupowner #owner

 

Jane,
Since I don't see the BLUE Owner or Mod (moderator) icons next to the Home button in your screen shot I'm going to say you are not logged in as either...??
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Follow this link and tell me if you see your groups listed and if they show BLUE Ower/Mod icons after their name?
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See how I'm listed as the Owner of the below groups...? You should see this for your groups...
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In the far right of the screen, you should see your Logging name...? Click on it and it will show you what email address you are using for your current login...
Some of us have one as Owner/Moderator and as Regular Joe so we can see exactly what regular users see...
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If you sent an email to the owner of your group, is that the same email address shown for your current login?
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