On 2/18/2018 1:23 PM, Shal Farley wrote: Stan,
This is the more common method for fraud these days. Email accounts have traditionally been as vulnerable as the user's discretion in choosing a "strong" password. Stolen or guessed email account credentials are a hot-selling item in the nether regions of the internet.
Shal, Thanks. Is the above link safe to use? Sometimes I get messages from some of the members of my Yahoo discussion group that end up in my IP's Spam folder. It has their name on the message but it is not them. Is this a good link to post in my yahoo discussion group for members to check their email address for being compromised? Would it end up causing me a big headache in ways unseen by posting it? Stan
Email services are tightening up on this, at least the name-brand ones. But in a group with world-wide reach one may have members with services of various quality.
Shal
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Re: Messages under wrong year!
Philip, The only bug is a few messages are archived in 1996, our group didn't
start until September 1998, ... It is possible that is not a bug. Some Yahoo Groups started by migrating the membership and archive from an earlier service. Basically what your Groups.io group did. You could have a look at the View Source of the messages (in either Groups.io or in the Y!Group) to see if the message header fields corroborate the earlier date or show the message as having been received at a later date. ... is there any way of "moving" these messages No. You'd have to ask support to do that for you, and it doesn't strike me as worthwhile, even if the messages truly belong to a later date. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Hello!
As an option, is it possible to make the calendar starting with Monday, not Sunday as it usual in parts of Europe?
I would also appreciate an option with the date as DDMMYYYY, and the clock with 24 hours.
Regards
Ivar Gr?nn
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Stan, I can understand moderating to eliminate spoofed (I don't know what
that means) Forging the From address of an email. Ten or more years ago this was a serious problem for Yahoo Groups - spambots, scammers, and malcontents were sending messages using the From address of group members, and those messages would be accepted and posted if not caught by a moderator. This has become a much less common threat as email systems in general, and Yahoo Groups and Groups.io in specific, have become better at rejecting spoofed messages before they reach the group or its pending queue. I haven't tried it lately, and I don't know that it isn't still possible. or compromised mail accounts, ... This is the more common method for fraud these days. Email accounts have traditionally been as vulnerable as the user's discretion in choosing a "strong" password. Stolen or guessed email account credentials are a hot-selling item in the nether regions of the internet. Email services are tightening up on this, at least the name-brand ones. But in a group with world-wide reach one may have members with services of various quality. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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It seems to me that those who are in charge of this group set the rules, and the rest of us obey them. I see nothing wrong with being moderated myself, and the groups.io that I'm a co-owner of is totally moderated. They don't complain. If a message is moderated out, perhaps the message poster should look more carefully at what can be said and what cannot.
We are lucky to even have groups.io to use for our groups.
Barb Jones
From: Stan Gorodenski <stanlep@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Moderating
Shal,
Okay, I now remember reading this:
"All messages sent to GMF are moderated. This is done to avoid malicious
attachments, spam, off-topic messages, and messages from spoofed or
compromised mail accounts. Despite these measures, be aware that the bad
guys are clever so there's no guarantee that we'll always succeed; you
are encouraged to be vigilant against any and all threats arriving via
email. Your GMF moderators make no guarantees regarding the safety of
emails arriving from this or any other Groups.io address."
But that still begs the question. I can understand moderating to
eliminate spoofed (I don't know what that means) or compromised mail
accounts, but I feel moderation is being carried beyond what I would say
most moderators do in their own discussion group. Once I know a member
is not a spammer, and I know the person is not using the group to push
an offensive agenda they are taken out of moderation. If the individual
becomes malicious, there are ways of dealing with that, the ultimate
step being to place them in moderation status again. It is not necessary
to moderate each and every post of every member of the group. If spam
starts coming from a member that had been taken out of moderation, they
are immediately put back in moderation. It has always been because their
email account was compromised. Once that is cleared up they are taken
out of moderation. It is not necessary to moderate each and every post
and member of the group. We have already had members get off topic, most
recently about what we know for sure, i.e., death and taxes. I think
some members needed a little levity as a break from the details of
understanding and setting up IO. I think that is good, and if it becomes
too much all the moderator(s) have to do is post a message to get back
on topic. If a member continually posts after the group was told to get
back on topic, that person can be dealt with individually. It is not
necessary to moderate each and every post of each an every member.
Stan
On 2/18/2018 12:26 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
> Stan,
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> > Why are we all continually being moderated?
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> That's answered in GMF's guidelines.
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> Shal
> GMF Moderator
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Re: Groups.io logos, nomenclature, etc.
I chimed in before because I'm new here and was also pondering the nomenclature, as I think about migrating users.
I see a couple recent threads where people abbreviated this system 'GIO'.?
Maybe try "Our GIO group..." (pronounced 'Geo')?
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Re: Groups.io logos, nomenclature, etc.
Bruce, One thing I'm struggling with as we migrate...how to cleanly advertise
this on our web page and in our newsletter? Not exactly what you asked, but see also the Promote section of your group (under Admin) if you haven't. Calling it "our groups.io group" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue,
either. Too true. In a context where you're not contrasting it with a Yahoo Group you could simply shorten it to "group" or "email list" (or just "list"). Or maybe "forum" if you want to emphasize the web presence, even though Groups.io is not a forum system in the normal usage of that word. I've often seen the usage "our IO Group", to contrast with "our Yahoo Group". I'm not comfortable with that usage because it miscasts IO as the hosting company, where in fact it is merely the top-level domain for the service. On the other hand I don't have a better answer. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Shal,
Okay, I now remember reading this:
"All messages sent to GMF are moderated. This is done to avoid malicious attachments, spam, off-topic messages, and messages from spoofed or compromised mail accounts. Despite these measures, be aware that the bad guys are clever so there's no guarantee that we'll always succeed; you are encouraged to be vigilant against any and all threats arriving via email. Your GMF moderators make no guarantees regarding the safety of emails arriving from this or any other Groups.io address."
But that still begs the question. I can understand moderating to eliminate spoofed (I don't know what that means) or compromised mail accounts, but I feel moderation is being carried beyond what I would say most moderators do in their own discussion group. Once I know a member is not a spammer, and I know the person is not using the group to push an offensive agenda they are taken out of moderation. If the individual becomes malicious, there are ways of dealing with that, the ultimate step being to place them in moderation status again. It is not necessary to moderate each and every post of every member of the group. If spam starts coming from a member that had been taken out of moderation, they are immediately put back in moderation. It has always been because their email account was compromised. Once that is cleared up they are taken out of moderation. It is not necessary to moderate each and every post and member of the group. We have already had members get off topic, most recently about what we know for sure, i.e., death and taxes. I think some members needed a little levity as a break from the details of understanding and setting up IO. I think that is good, and if it becomes too much all the moderator(s) have to do is post a message to get back on topic. If a member continually posts after the group was told to get back on topic, that person can be dealt with individually. It is not necessary to moderate each and every post of each an every member.
Stan
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On 2/18/2018 12:26 PM, Shal Farley wrote: Stan,
Why are we all continually being moderated? That's answered in GMF's guidelines.
Shal
GMF Moderator
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Stan, I am confused by the use of the term 'Archives'.
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Are they referring just to all the messages going back to the start of
the group ... listed in the Messages choice? Correct. It is used informally to refer to the messages stored in the group. In Y!Groups the UI calls it "Conversations". In Groups.io the equivalent is "Messages" and/or "Topics". Various other list services I think do use the term "archive" for the stored messages. I think the informal usage in Groups (both brands) is in part trying to make a distinction between the semi-permanent storage in the group ("archive") versus one's personal email Inbox and/or folders. ... is the problem of learning how to access the 'Archives' just how
to find the messages one is interested in? Yes, although the Y!Group member may also be concerned about the steps necessary to get to that point: signing up for an account and logging in. Which in Y!Groups had always been far too complicated. - Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Yes, exactly. An archive of all messages . For example if you search for skypeenglish you will see the messages going from I think 2006 to 2018 those are the message archives.
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On Feb 18, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Stan Gorodenski <stanlep@...> wrote:
I am confused by the use of the term 'Archives'. One individual in my YG is against the move to IO because, among other things, it would require him learning how to access the 'archives.' Maybe it is because I am not a power user, but I do not see any so called 'Archives' in the YG website. The name has also been used here, but I do not see anything in choices and settings of IO that says 'Archives.' What are we referring to when others say 'Archives'? Are they referring just to all the messages going back to the start of the group (in the case of a transfer, the start of the YG) listed in the Messages choice? If so, is the problem of learning how to access the 'Archives' just how to find the messages one is interested in?
Stan
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I am confused by the use of the term 'Archives'. One individual in my YG is against the move to IO because, among other things, it would require him learning how to access the 'archives.' Maybe it is because I am not a power user, but I do not see any so called 'Archives' in the YG website. The name has also been used here, but I do not see anything in choices and settings of IO that says 'Archives.' What are we referring to when others say 'Archives'? Are they referring just to all the messages going back to the start of the group (in the case of a transfer, the start of the YG) listed in the Messages choice? If so, is the problem of learning how to access the 'Archives' just how to find the messages one is interested in?
Stan
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Stan, Why are we all continually being moderated? That's answered in GMF's guidelines. Shal GMF Moderator -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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I created four subgroups. I think what would be desirable is to color code the messages with a different color for each subgroup, with something like a hashtag that would be fixed at the beginning of each message, something like #Ast. I thought making a hashtag required in settings would do it, but it does not. It forces each member to add a hashtag which would be an inconvenience for them, plus I have it set up so only I can add hashtags. Is there anyway to automatically color code the messages in a subgroup?
Stan
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I doubt the moderators will let this message go through and so I will be surprised if it does.
Why are we all continually being moderated? In the groups I run and probably in those others run a new member is taken out of moderation status after a few posts. Here, we are continually being moderated which I do not like at all. The members of this list are high quality people who have a lot of skills and knowledge just by virtue of the fact that they are creating discussion groups. Instead, we are being treated like children who might throw a tantrum and have to be continually watched. I find this very offensive. When I first joined this group one responder to a question treated me like I was a dummy. We obviously had a personality conflict. When I tried to defend myself I did it very politely and did not attack this individual in any manner whatsoever, but my message was not approved. The moderator said he regretted he had not watched the other person more closely, but I was the one who was targeted. Now, again, as part of the frivolity on a topic within the past day, my post was not approved. There was absolutely nothing offensive about it. I just added to the frivolity. Yet my post was not approved but the other person's post, which my post was based on, was approved.
I find this continual moderation very offensive. We are adults. If someone gets out of line or too far off topic, all a moderator has to do is remind the group to stay on topic, not continually moderate each and every message all of us send which, I think, is very biased. I could point to posts showing it is biased.
Stan
[Mod note: while in most groups a complaint like this would be considered off-topic GMF's mission is to discuss issues of group management. Just don't take it personally nor take issue with other members.]
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Re: Groups.io logos, nomenclature, etc.
On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:04 am, Don wrote:
Yahoo Groups group is no easier than Groups.io groups to me.
True, but in my experience, most people simply say "Our Yahoo group..." :-) Cheers.
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Re: Another part of Deleting Messages
Since we are on the subject, in the process of exploring the group I sent a bunch of messages that I deleted. They are gone but in the Activity list, under Admin, a reference to each one is still there and I see no way of deleting them. This list could grow to be a very large file of nothing. How can I delete these references?
Stan
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On 2/18/2018 10:07 AM, aloopyletter@... wrote: I have just started a group on groups.io and I have a couple of questions.
Deleting messages seems to be an issue. You can click on the little arrow and get the option to delete that one message only.
Is it possible to have the option to 'check-all' and hit a delete button? It's very time consuming doing one at a time.
I would like to be able to check them all and delete them when I have time. All these messages go to each member so I see
no need to keep them after a week or so.
Thanks much
Loopy C.
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Marcia, What's the deal with having to sign up again every 30 days? You sign up only once (per email address). The Sign Up link is one way to create an account (and optionally set a password) so that you can log into the site. Having signed up you can log in. Your login session lasts 30 days, or until you log out or you delete your browser cookies. Can only receive email, but can't get to files and photos? Files, Photos and most areas of a group are for group members only. You must be signed in to Groups.io to identify yourself as a member of the group. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: Groups.io logos, nomenclature, etc.
Yahoo Groups group is no easier than Groups.io groups to me.
Don
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of ikc46118 Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:25 AM To: [email protected]Subject: [GMF] Groups.io logos, nomenclature, etc. One thing I'm struggling with as we migrate...how to cleanly advertise this on our web page and in our newsletter? The groups.io logo is nondescript at best, and doesn't invite anyone to click on it. In web text and emails, it's very clumsy to repeatedly refer to the migrated group as "our new collaboration site". Calling it "our groups.io group" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, either. I'd be interested to hear what others are doing to mitigate this problem. Bruce -- Sent from my humble desktop computer
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Mapping users to messages after a YG transfer?
#transfer
Hi,
New member here. About to move our small neighborhood YG to groups.io.?
If I invite all our users at their YG email addresses, but they opt to change them?before a message transfer completes (there seems to be an understandable backlog), have we lost any ability to map them to their old messages? Or will there be some other mechanism for linking them later?
Is my only option to not invite folks until after the message transfer completes (or just opt for a user+message transfer)?
Thanks!
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Changing default sort in files.
I am trying to set different default sort for files in my folder in the files section of the site. It possible to have the default set to the Uploaded column? Thanks, Diane
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