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Locked Re: Caution, if your group has only 1 owner

 

No "Owner Succession" feature (a Group 'will') is a flaw that Groups.io (and YahooGroups) share(d).

Every time I've seen one proposed, those who would not use it have railed against having one.
They insist that the workaround of having more than one Owner (who could delete your Group, or demote or depose you and take over your Group) is adequate and acceptable.

Unfortunately that means Groups continue to become 'orphaned' when the Owner (or last Owner) is no longer active (deceased, incapacitated, losses access to their Email address, or simply loses interest).

Michael
Locked Re: Caution, if your group has only 1 owner

 

Keep in mind whoever is added as owner could delete the group and add others as owners.

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So be sure of the people you make owners.

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Jim

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Locked Caution, if your group has only 1 owner

 

Yet again a group is threatened with dissolution because the sole group owner has died.

Time to do something about that now, while you can.

Find at least one other person in your group (or someone interested who would join your group) and make them owners.

Frances
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Re: Group Forum owner is deceased. Reset?

 

Something that has been suggested before - see if some family member of the deceased owner can access the site, probably on the same hardware. That member can make someone else (or hopefully 2 someone else!) owners.

Frances
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Re: Group Forum owner is deceased. Reset?

 

I know someone that had to start a new group and they copied and pasted the entire posts to the new group. I don't know how they did it, just that they did.?

On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 07:58:22 PM CST, Michael <michael@...> wrote:


That would be sad as everyone would then have to subscribe to the new
group and you would loose all the message history. For some groups, that
message history is valuable information.

Michael


Duane wrote on 2/17/24 5:24 PM:
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 11:45 AM, dennnis WB8DD wrote:
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>? ? Is there someway to reset the group ownership and assign a new owner?
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> If there isn't anyone to take over the group (owner/mod), the least
> difficult option is to start a new one.
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> Duane
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Re: Group Forum owner is deceased. Reset?

 

That would be sad as everyone would then have to subscribe to the new
group and you would loose all the message history. For some groups, that
message history is valuable information.

Michael


Duane wrote on 2/17/24 5:24 PM:

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 11:45 AM, dennnis WB8DD wrote:

Is there someway to reset the group ownership and assign a new owner?

If there isn't anyone to take over the group (owner/mod), the least
difficult option is to start a new one.

Duane
Re: Group Forum owner is deceased. Reset?

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 11:45 AM, dennnis WB8DD wrote:
Is there someway to reset the group ownership and assign a new owner?
If there isn't anyone to take over the group (owner/mod), the least difficult option is to start a new one.

Duane
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Re: Group Forum owner is deceased. Reset?

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 06:45 PM, dennnis WB8DD wrote:

Is there some way to reset the group ownership and assign a new owner?
No, unfortunately groups.io doesn't have a procedure for that yet. You - or rather a moderator of the group - could try emailing to [email protected], but it's possible he/they have other priorities

groetjes/?is, Ronaldo
Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

I have several members who are bouncing and have the RI badge against their accounts, so, yes, apparently, members can be both bouncing and need verification.

DaveD

On 2/17/2024 1:28 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote:

Of those under RI status who were previous subscribers who had posted, I sent a private message to them, none replied but one reverified

More than half were NMM so had never posted

I have not seen any RI status who were bouncing, I don't think you can have both at the same time?

Of the red B bouncing addresses (none of which were RI status), I periodically go through and check them (they will all have been sent a bounce probe or more) they are not receiving messages so why keep them, if they then realise they are not in the group at some point they are free to rejoin if they wish

An auto response is not the member but their software

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
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Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

I was under the impression from whats been said, that Bouncing addresses would not need to reverify but as I have no bouncing RI subscribers I did not need to go further on that subject

As red B bouncing addresses do not get any groups.io posts the only way they would know is a private email

People do have to take some ownership of their own email accounts, I get warnings if my inbox is getting full, so would they (which is a common reason for bouncing) there is only so much hand holding you can do

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 17/02/2024 22:32, Frances wrote:
On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 02:48 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote:
I have not seen any RI status who were bouncing, I don't think you
can have both at the same time?
I have red bouncing RI members. In Members, use both filters.
However if they are not bouncing, it should be easier to get them to reverify themselves, wouldn't it?
Frances
Re: Group Forum owner is deceased. Reset?

 

Bruce,

Thank you for your reply.

Amateur Radio operators are able to check the current status of an operator's license. In this case, the Group owner's license was transferred to a family
member, who herself passed on in December of 2023. That license is no longer valid.

I sent several emails to the address you suggested but only an auto reply message was returned that said to contact the Group owner.

Several other people, including current Groups owners, are also trying to get this resolved. Perhaps they will have more luck.

Thank you for taking the time to try to help me.

Dennis
Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 02:48 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote:
I have not seen any RI status who were bouncing, I don't think you can have both at the same time?
I have red bouncing RI members. In Members, use both filters.?
However if they are not bouncing, it should be easier to get them to reverify themselves, wouldn't it?

Frances
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Re: Question on subject text formatting/processing #misc

 

To clarify the previous message, I'm talking about consecutive spaces in the email subject specifically, not the message body (it doesn't happen there)

Cheers,
Christos
Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

Of those under RI status who were previous subscribers who had posted, I sent a private message to them, none replied but one reverified

More than half were NMM so had never posted

I have not seen any RI status who were bouncing, I don't think you can have both at the same time?

Of the red B bouncing addresses (none of which were RI status), I periodically go through and check them (they will all have been sent a bounce probe or more) they are not receiving messages so why keep them, if they then realise they are not in the group at some point they are free to rejoin if they wish

An auto response is not the member but their software

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

I received an autoreply from one RI member. I sent them a message through Admin, Members, Send Message (bottom of the record). The member was bouncing and RI. The message was about a change of email address. So messages are getting through from group owners to RI members. I also see them in Email Delivery History.
Question on subject text formatting/processing #misc

 

Hi Folks,

I composed a test message online that had more that 1 consecutive space, eg. Use this code '?? ' to comment, 3 spaces single-quoted, but when the message is sent, that subject is altered to concatenate those 3 spaces into 1, eg. Use this code ' ' to comment (visible in the View Source).? I thought this was happening only online but then in further testing I found out Tbird and Gmail -and I now guess others- also do that, they also convert any consecutive spaces in the subject text into a single one before sending.

I'm no email expert by any means but I wasn't aware there's a convention that dictates this multiple space elimination, so I'm curious as to why it's done if anyone knows.

Cheers,
Christos
Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

Mike, you wrote

"Yet, I have many more who are Bounced or Not confirmed who have been in that state for a long time in spite of my attempts."

Have you moved your mouse to those buttons "icons", click them and see what the message is when they pop up. You will see different reasons. The most common one - not a member of their ISP.

That is how I know which are no good, removed them.


On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 9:23?AM Mike Hanauer via <MGHanauer=[email protected]> wrote:
In a group I own, I have 6 (of 700+) who are RI.
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Yet, I have many more who are Bounced or Not confirmed who have been in that state for a long time in spite of my attempts.
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I do find some value in being able to see all of these people as "members", yet it does seem like all of these status' should be treated in a similar manner (and give moderators the knowledge and history they need).
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On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 10:37:07 AM EST, Tommy Meehan <tmeehan0421@...> wrote:
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There are obviously a lot of members here concerned with this: group members who have still not reverified. When will they be removed? There seemed to be a deadline of February 11tth, The original message from Groups.io stated that "After that, members still in the RI state will be removed from groups." Some group owners -- like me! -- took that to mean the RI members would be removed beginning Feb. 1th.

Yesterday on the Beta Group Mark clarified that.

Mark wrote that there are still some RI members reverifying, even at this late date, and due to that he has decided to give them an additional two weeks before final removal begins. I don't have any real problem with that.

tommy meehan
Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 11:23 AM, Mike Hanauer wrote:
Yet, I have many more who are Bounced or Not confirmed who have been in that state for a long time in spite of my attempts.
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I do find some value in being able to see all of these people as "members", yet it does seem like all of these status' should be treated in a similar manner (and give moderators the knowledge and history they need).
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It's important to understand these are an account status, not a subscription status. Accounts that are Bouncing or Not Confirmed aren't being sent any group emails and thus can't affect groups.io's status with spam traps.

What you - as a group Owner - do with the corresponding subscriptions?to your group are your own business...with the understanding that these same addresses may be subscribed to many other groups.?Depending on what kind of response comes back when sending them a DM or a bounce probe, I often just delete them.

Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Members who have not reverified (still RI status) removal update

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 12:44 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote:
I think I am done with it now, those unverified after all this time are surely not receiving or reading messages

I received an autoreply from one RI member. I sent them a message through Admin, Members, Send Message (bottom of the record). The member was bouncing and RI. The message was about a change of email address. So messages are getting through from group owners to RI members. I also see them in Email Delivery History.

I just send the simple message this morning. But, of course, few have responded. Most bounced. This is my last try to get them reverified (and unbounced).

Here is what I sent to the 52 members who are still RI (We transferred our group from YahooGroups in the dawn of Groups.io!)

"Hello Ziner, We have recently had a lively discussion about traveling solo, about eSIMS and about travel in Japan. You missed them because you need to reverify your account with Groups.io. *Not our rule, but a spam blocking company made Groups.io do it.* It's simple to do. Just visit Groups.io. No password? Click on /sendloginlink Check your email for a reply with a link. Click on it. (If you don't see it, check your Spam or Junk mail.) If you aren't interested in belonging to the Zine, that's fine! Sorry to see you go. Just click on *Unsubscribe* in this email footer."

Frances

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Re: Group Forum owner is deceased. Reset?

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 12:45 PM, dennnis WB8DD wrote:
The owner of the group, Gary K0DVN, is unfortunately deceased. So no new member applications to join this group are being approved.
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Is there someway to reset the group ownership and assign a new owner? I am currently not a member since I can't get approved.
I'm curious as to how you know this.

There may be co-owners, but that doesn't mean they know how to do anything. You first option is to send an email to?[email protected]?and see if anyone responds.

It seems highly unlikely that groups.io support will come to the aid of anyone who isn't currently a member of the group.

Good luck,
Bruce
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Group Forum owner is deceased. Reset?

 

Hello,

I hope this is the right place to post this question.

There is a problem with the TenTecEagle group and I'm hoping for suggestions.
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The owner of the group, Gary K0DVN, is unfortunately deceased. So no new member applications to join this group are being approved.
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Is there someway to reset the group ownership and assign a new owner? I am currently not a member since I can't get approved.
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Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you.
Dennis Doran
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