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An oddity here. When I viewed the failed image sent to my group it was on the webpage and later in the daily digest I receive. Same thing when I tested the file name on Shal's test group today. I posted from the website, using Add picture to add the original file but with the spaces removed. It didn't display on the web page. In Shal's group I'm in individual email mode so a copy of my message was emailed to me. I had actually forgotten I was getting individual emails from the test group. When I saw there was a copy of the message in my inbox and opened it, the image does seem properly displayed.

Apparently what does not work on a Groups.io webpage may work in the email copy of that message. Of course, it was already pointed out that the difference is code. If I'm remembering correctly, most email programs can read UFT-8. Groups.io webpage apparently can not.

Is that close? :)

tommy0421

This all came about after a member included an image in a message they sent to one of my groups. The message file name included an en dash. They were very disappointed when the image failed to display in their message when posted. But the dash was the problem. Lesson being, DO NOT use dashes when naming image files.

Just to clarify for those who may not know there are three kinds of dashes: hyphen, en dash, and em dash. The hyphen is shortest and can be used in file names.

The en and em dashes cannot. They are special typesetting characters. The en dash joins words that are not hyphenated but are used in a string as adjectives, and the em dash sets off phrases within a sentence.

In many typefaces, it is hard to tell the difference. The en is supposed to be the width of an N, and the em the width of an M but they often are not.

And depending on the settings, in some word processing programs accidently typing two hyphens may produce an em dash that you don’t notice but the computer does.

Sharon
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Okay with the help of the raw reports and the MxToolbox visualizer, I have a new insight:? SPF and DKIM are _authenticating_ correctly, but they are not _aligned_ and thus fail DMARC. This is consistent across the four samples I analyzed. See first attachment (the report from Google). Here's a description of alignment: https://www.dmarcanalyzer.com/what-is-alignment/.

What I don't get is why I suddenly have _thousands_ of emails going out "from" my domain that would fail:

• Three of the four reports show failures from IP addresses other than Group.io 66.175.222.12.
• In the four days between August 4 and 7, 3273 emails would have failed DMARC. (Second attachment)
• Perhaps the biggest concern are the 1665 emails purportedly from my domain sent yesterday from two adjacent IP addresses in Moldava. That looks like a determined effort to spoof my domain. I don't know if that's related to groups.io, but the timing overlaps. (Third attachment) Unfortunately, I do not seem to have the raw report for these failures.

?Shal Farley wrote: This is kind of an odd theory, and I've not tested it, but the only difference I'm seeing between what does not display right in GMF, and what does in shalstest, is the file name. In particular, the one in GMF included an en-dash character.
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I thought I had replied to this but apparently I have not. Shal was right, it was the en-dash character. That is a dash preceded by a space and followed by a space. But the image also failed to display when posted to Shal's test group even with the spaces before and after the dash deleted but the dash still there. (Technically creating a hyphen, I think?)

This all came about after a member included an image in a message they sent to one of my groups. The message file name included an en dash. They were very disappointed when the image failed to display in their message when posted. But the dash was the problem. Lesson being, DO NOT use dashes when naming image files.

tommy0421

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 01:33 PM, Christina Gray wrote:

Will you PLEASE give us a way to disable the Subscribe link on the main page?? I keep getting these requests with nondescript emails with no full name and I have no idea who the hell these people are?

You can also require more information before they join by creating a Pending Subscription notice. Available to any level including free groups.
/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-member-notices/pending-subscription-notice

Also you can take your group out of the Publicly Listed Groups, if you wish.
/search?p=SubsCount,,,20,2,0,0

And fine-tune your group description to discourage people who wouldn't be a match. For example, if it is only for those who live in your neighbourhood, say that. Or use specific software.... etc.

Frances
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GMF wiki for help.?Search box at the top of each page.

Check out the?new groups.io Help Center??Use your browser to search or download?the PDF.

Personally I have no such problem so wonder why you do?

Is your group closed to new subscribers?

Does your home page have a description of what your group is about and who can join? (and who cannot)

Is your group restricted and do you have a pending subscriber message ?

In the pending subscriber message you can stipulate there must be a full name and add other qualifying questions

They have 14 days to answer the pending subscriber message or its automatically deleted

Works well for me

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 12:33 PM, Christina Gray wrote:

Will you PLEASE give us a way to disable the Subscribe link on the main page?

There already is.? All you have to do is upgrade to an Enterprise group and you should have complete control over the group's home page content.

BTW, this is a user-to-user group.? No one from GIO monitors it.? If you want to make a suggestion, you'd need to post on the .

Duane
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The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center.
GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki

Will you PLEASE give us a way to disable the Subscribe link on the main page?? I keep getting these requests with nondescript emails with no full name and I have no idea who the hell these people are?

Is this so difficult?

I searched thru the Wiki and Help docs but didn't see anything regarding this weirdity I'm having with one particular member's emails bouncing to his gmail address that I know is good.

I just sent him a Bounce Probe then checked his Email Delivery History.? The bounce probe and previous emails all say:
<ip address>: dial tcp4 <ip address>:25: i/o timeout

I don't see any references to this "i/o timeout" anywhere but these old eyes may have missed it!? As I mentioned above, I have no probs sending/recieving emails to his gmail address.? Any ideas??

I'm tempted to just delete him then re-Direct Add him in but thought I'd check here first.
thanks!

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 03:19 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:

We had initially intended to allow the subgroup Mods to add members to their subgroup from the pre-approved main group list but as there's as there is no distinction between the privilege of adding or inviting a member, allowing a Mod to invite someone to a subgroup effectively gives them some control over the main group member list.

I presume you mean that a subgroup Mod can cause someone to be added to the main group that the main group Mod(s) didn't previously know about or approve (and therefore, is beyond the control of the main group Mod(s).? Is that what you meant when you said "gives them [a subgroup Mod] some control over the main group member list"?

Bruce,

Lots of people still have Yahoo Mail accounts because for awhile you
*had* to...in order to subscribe to Yahoo Groups.

That actually was never true, for email-only use of Y!Groups. Their -subscribe email command will create a subscription to a group without a need to visit any part of Yahoo's site. Just reply to the confirmation request.

The part that's true is in regards to accessing a group's web pages as a logged in member. For that you've always needed a Yahoo account, and that has (almost) always automatically created a Yahoo Mail address for you. But you still didn't need to use that address for anything: even with a web-access Y!Groups membership you can have your choice of delivery email address.

But I think Duane was talking about Yahoo Groups and Google Groups
here, not Yahoo and Google as email providers. Those two listservs (or
whatever you want to call them) were "too big to fail," and can thus
better afford to ignore incoming FBL notifications.

In the case of Y!Groups I think the situation is more that FBLs are a relatively new innovation by email service providers, and Y!Groups effectively ceased development of email-related features in around 2010. It isn't so much that they can afford to ignore FBLs, its that they've been ignoring everything.

Yes, there was the calendar redesign of 2012, and the ill-fated "neo" web interface redesign in 2013. But core email processing for Y!Groups hasn't changed in a *very* long (internet) time.

Yahoo Group members do pay a price for this. Non-delivery of Y!Group messages has always been a frequent complaint. It got so bad that the Yahoo Groups team had to publicly post the IP addresses of its servers in hopes that they could convince email service providers to whitelist them.


I'm pretty sure that if the "good old" Y!Groups team were still in place, they'd be working with FBLs too.

Shal


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Have you used the owners' manual to review the correct process?

It's covered at?/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/inviting-people-to-join-a-group/overview?single=true

When in doubt, first review the Owners or the Members' manuals, use ctl & F to search after opening help at:?/helpcenter


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Bob Bellizzi

@Mark Berry, thanks for the link to Valimail but it wants me to sign up so I will consider doing that soon.

FYI, the DMARC reports only specify?how?a message or set of messages pass or fail (DMARC, DKIM or SPF) as well as originating server IP but provide no message details beyond that. This may be why Valimail provides no other details. By the way, MxToolBox has an excellent??for the reports you will receive.
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Jim

@Duane - No I haven't notified Mark / support. The only offer to change headers that I've seen on public posts is about Exchange, and that's already being done according to my account page.

@Jim - I'm just using a free Valimail account, so I don't expect them to really diagnose much unless I have proof of a bug in their system. In the meantime, I've updated my DNS to also forward DMARC reports directly to me so I can look at some details.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 08:22 AM, Jill Ingle wrote:

I've followed your instructions but can't find how to make it active.

Jill -- You have to select one each time invitations are sent by pulling down the "Notices" menu below the "Customize Message" editor. There is no "active" checkbox.?

If you'd like the ability to set a default, please say so in my active topic on the beta group ().?

Regards,
Bruce

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Check out the groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual

We do not use an aggregator. However, after reading this??and this , I can see where there could be a problem even though it's not clear exactly why Valimail finds an issue. I would press them for a thoroughly articulated reason. I would be genuinely interested to hear it.

Separately, I think the short answer may be to simply add GIO to the DNS TXT entry for SPF on your domain by inserting "include:groups.io" before your "~all" or "-all" statement. This may be enough to appease the interrogator at Valimail. I am now thinking we should do the same.
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Jim

Hi Shal,?

I've followed your instructions but can't find how to make it active.

Best wishes,

Jill?

Good morning all.? I received this message in one of the groups I moderate and am not sure what to tell the person who is experiencing this:

"Is anyone else having problems responding to? email from the group? I'm on digest and the 'respond to group' and 'respond to individual' links at the bottom of each email no longer work. I get a pop up box asking me to open a new email account with microsoft or google or one of several other choices. I have to go to 'visit your group on line' to reply. This started about two weeks ago and makes no sense.? "

Does anyone have any ideas?
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Yvette in Ontario

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 09:50 PM, Cal wrote:

I'll experiment to see what happens with someone who's invited to a subgroup.

If you invite someone to a subgroup and they accept, they are automatically added to the main group. Previously it didn't happen but this change was made around March 2019 and we had to change our plans for Moderators for our subgroups. We had initially intended to allow the subgroup Mods to add members to their subgroup from the pre-approved main group list but as there's as there is no distinction between the privilege of adding or inviting a member, allowing a Mod to invite someone to a subgroup effectively gives them some control over the main group member list.

Andy