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Re: Chat groups - Reply option

 

I'd bet that you need to sign in. Your 30 day login probably expired on the device you're using now.

Duane


Re: Chat groups - Reply option

J_catlady
 

I'm not seeing this problem.

J


Chat groups - Reply option

vickie
 

I have been absent from groups for more than 3 wks.

On my return I found some change to group. io.

I normally reply via my email account to any messages. However because I had so many accumulated in the 3 wks or so I decided

to delete all of them and visit the group page thread instead and choose which messages I wanted to respond to

To my surprise if a topic has a long thread of messages I can't choose to reply to one of the threads.. The reply option is gone from each thread of messages. Ugh!



vickie


Re: member of two of my groups using different email addresses, can only get into one group

J_catlady
 

Shal,

Thanks.

What we ended up doing yesterday was, as you suggest here, subscribing her with the one email address to all the groups, and then removing her memberships under the other account. I did realize that this would remove her control over, and other aspects of, her previous membership. But I also thought that this particular member would have gotten even more confused if we had kept both accounts. (She still has her old account, although it's no longer a member of any groups. I think (a) there's currently no way to actually delete a Groups.io account once you have one, and (b) if she ever wants to regain control over her content, re-joining under that account would restore that.)

(An aside: I hope that Trello suggestion gets implemented in a way that allows members to keep their accounts under separate emails as separate accounts if they *want* to, and won't do anything automatically to merge them. I myself have an account for my business and another one for personal groups, and they really need to stay separate.)

J


Re: member of two of my groups using different email addresses, can only get into one group

 

J,

I wrote:
She could re-join one of the groups using the other email address, so
that email address ends up subscribed to both groups.

A disadvantage to rejoining is that any content (messages, photos, etc.)
she's contributed under the one email address would not be controllable
by the other (different subscriber, so no delete or edit buttons).
I should also have said, keep the original email subscription in the group she re-joins. That would mean she has two subscriptions to that group, but that's ok, she can set one subscription to "No Mail" or "Special Notices" to avoid duplicate messages.

By keeping the original subscription she retains the ability to control her contributions under that subscription (with no more than a logout / login effort), and also holds open the possibility that Mark's eventual solution will let her merge the ownership of the content under the two subscriptions.

Leaving the group under the original subscription would (might?) forever abandon control of that's subscription's content. Not a risk that needs to be taken.

Shal


Re: member of two of my groups using different email addresses, can only get into one group

 

J,

I think Mark has been dealing with the "multiple email address" issue
already, or has it on his Todo list.
On Trello:


Meanwhile, what can I do to help a member of both my main and my admin
group who happens to be using separate email addresses for the two
groups?
This is a tough problem for the member. It basically means that she must log out of one email address and in with the other in order to access one group or the other. Or log in using a separate browser or device for each email address -- that would be one way to avoid repeated logout / login.

Can she simply swap out her email address in one of the groups?
Not yet, pending whatever Mark does to address the problem.

She could re-join one of the groups using the other email address, so that email address ends up subscribed to both groups. But that really means re-joining it as a different person (from the group's point of view), and if the group has restricted membership she'd need to be approved under the second address.

A disadvantage to rejoining is that any content (messages, photos, etc.) she's contributed under the one email address would not be controllable by the other (different subscriber, so no delete or edit buttons). But that could be a price worth paying, depending on how annoying the current situation is for her.

Shal


Re: Copying from yahoogroups

 

Scott,

Ive been using PGOffline to archive messages in various Yahoo groups
for a while already, and when doing a large number of messages the Yahoo
system will cut me off after some unknown-to-me limit is reached.
PGOffline provides a way to regulate the throttle and hopefully extend
that limit.

Does Groups.io run into that issue too when copying messages? Is there a
throttle?
Fortunately with Groups.io you don't need a third-party application to web-scrape the messages for you: there's a bulit-in download function.

On the Settings page click on the "Download Archives" tab. That gives you a plain-text copy of the message archive, in mbox format. That's basically a View Source of all the messages, concatenated together. If you use your browser's Save As function to copy that to your computer you can then open it in Thunderbird or other applications that understand mbox format.

Shal


Re: Spam

 

Gmail does have some decent tools for filtering out spam, which I'm sure occasionally helps, but not all my Yahoo group-owner addresses forward to Gmail. From what you say, it seems that one or more of your Group-owner addresses has been targeted by some particularly high volume spammer.

You might want to look into reading the emails and especially the headers, to see if you can find a common factor to help filter them out.

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise via Groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 04:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Spam



Sent from my iPad

On 15 Mar 2016, at 06:20, Xaun Loc <xaunloc@...> wrote:

"Yahoo already makes it fairly hard to spam the group-owner address (I've probably gotten a dozen spam emails in as many years via any of my group-owner addresses)."

Thanks, Xaun. As I have had vastly more than a dozen spam emails recently I wonder if it is gmail that is the answer as you appear to use that.

I got very confused when setting up my gmail address once as I somehow got my yahoo address linked to it and wasn't sure how wise that was.

Louise


member of two of my groups using different email addresses, can only get into one group

J_catlady
 

I think Mark has been dealing with the "multiple email address" issue already, or has it on his Todo list. Meanwhile, what can I do to help a member of both my main and my admin group who happens to be using separate email addresses for the two groups? This is a remnant of the fact that she was using the separate email addresses for the two groups from before we transferred from yahoo, and everything just transferred over as is. However, she can't get into the admin group site, but can get into the main group site, evidently because she's logged in as that email address rather than the other.

Can she simply swap out her email address in one of the groups? Or does she have to request a password in order to log in as that separate user? It would obviously be much more convenient for her if she could be just one user and change the address in one of the groups. But before advising her to do this, I wanted to get an idea of whether it would even be allowed, since both email addresses are now separate accounts internally.

J


Re: inactive member is bouncing

J_catlady
 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:56 pm, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Was this in the "Message Activity" tab? I don't see a corresponding action in the search drop-list for any of the tabs - that may be a bug.

Forgot to answer this: No, it was in the "Members Activity" log and the search item in the drop list is called "bounced." No bug. It's a perfectly beautiful little feature. :-)



Re: inactive member is bouncing

J_catlady
 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:56 pm, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Interesting. I like comprehensive activity logging but this is one I wouldn't have thought of.

It impressed me, too, so much that I almost posted on beta thanking Mark for it. :-)

The members' Activity Pages are invaluable, also. Yes, the feature "almost" makes up for not being able to search on a member's posts - the operative word being "almost," since only moderators can do this. I'd sometimes like to be able to find all of a member's posts in a group where I'm not the owner.

I guess I'll try emailing the member once. Thanks.

J




Copying from yahoogroups

Scott Bonacker
 

I’ve been using PGOffline to archive messages in various Yahoo groups for a while already, and when doing a large number of messages the Yahoo system will cut me off after some unknown-to-me limit is reached. PGOffline provides a way to regulate the throttle and hopefully extend that limit.

Does Groups.io run into that issue too when copying messages? Is there a throttle?

Thanks,


Scott

Scott Bonacker CPA � McCullough and Associates LLC � Springfield, MO


Re: Spam

 

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Mar 2016, at 06:20, Xaun Loc <xaunloc@...> wrote:

"Yahoo already makes it fairly hard to spam the group-owner address (I've probably gotten a dozen spam emails in as many years via any of my group-owner addresses)."

Thanks, Xaun. As I have had vastly more than a dozen spam emails recently I wonder if it is gmail that is the answer as you appear to use that.

I got very confused when setting up my gmail address once as I somehow got my yahoo address linked to it and wasn't sure how wise that was.

Louise


Re: Spam

 

Thanks, Shal. That was really helpful. It looks like I may have to change things my end by using my gmail address if I do anything.

Louise


Re: inactive member is bouncing

 

J,

There was an entry in the activity log today that "email to [member xyz]
is bouncing." This is the first such entry we've had.
Interesting. I like comprehensive activity logging but this is one I wouldn't have thought of.

I haven't seen one of those yet. Was this in the "Message Activity" tab? I don't see a corresponding action in the search drop-list for any of the tabs - that may be a bug.

Another thing I notice is that the Activity logs don't have a text search field - one can only select based on the Actions drop-list and Date selector. That, together with its absence in the drop-list, means I can't search to see if there are any instances of "email to" in my group's logs. And in the Moderator Activity log this means you can't search for Activity by a particular moderator.

I checked the member's activity history and the only thing in it is one
bounced email, which was sent today. The member joined more than one
year ago, when we were still on yahoo, and has never posted. I'm not
sure what to do about this besides remove the member from the group.
I wouldn't necessarily jettison the member over a single (so far) message bounce. But I might be influenced by what his Email Delivery History tab said about the bounce. Some causes are more likely to be permanent than others.

Hmm... I hadn't noticed that each member's page has an Activity History tab - an excerpt of the group's Activity logs specific to that member. Handy. Almost makes up for not being able to search the group's activity logs by the member's name or email.

I'm not even sure I want to send him an email.
I don't see the harm. Unless you mean just the likely waste of time.

It might be that your attempt will bounce for the same reason as the group message did. Or you may discover that he's turned on a "white-list" or "challenge" type of spam filter, but neglected to bypass it for group messages.

Shal


inactive member is bouncing

J_catlady
 

There was an entry in the activity log today that "email to [member xyz] is bouncing." This is the first such entry we've had.

I checked the member's activity history and the only thing in it is one bounced email, which was sent today. The member joined more than one year ago, when we were still on yahoo, and has never posted.I'm not sure what to do about this besides remove the member from the group. I'm not even sure I want to send him an email. I've virtually never corresponded with this person.

Looking forward to thoughts, helpful hints or advice here. Thanks.

J


Re: Spam

 

Yahoo already makes it fairly hard to spam the group-owner address (I've probably gotten a dozen spam emails in as many years via any of my group-owner addresses).

Emails sent to a groupname-owner@... address cannot be BCC and there cannot be multiple group-owner addresses on a single email. This is sufficient to stop casual amateur spammers because the emails cannot be sent to a large number of addresses as a single email. Serious professional spammers use software to generate individual emails for each addressee AND dedicated servers that are paid to allow customers to send out thousands of emails at a time and which change IP addresses frequently to avoid being RBL'ed

Certainly there are tricks that can be used to intercept spam for any address, but those tricks have to be applied at either the receiving mail server or the individual email client.

Spam blocking at the incoming email server often proves to be unsatisfactory for a group-owner address due to the difficulty in developing any generic algorithm that does not generate either excessive false positives or excessive false negatives. Perhaps IO could manage a better spam trap than Yahoo, but I'd expect any aggressive spam trapping to also generate too many false positives.

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 15:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Spam

Yes, I realised that - probably should have worded my email differently. What I was wondering was whether it was as easy for spammers to bulk harvest and torment group owners in io as in yahoo groups. Is there no way this could be made harder? Some sort of filter before they get to us maybe? It wouldn't be easy for me to drop my yahoo email addresses at this point but are there email providers who can intercept this type of spam?

Louise

Sent from my iPad

On 14 Mar 2016, at 17:34, Xaun Loc wrote:

ANY email address is "potentially open to these attacks


[excess quote trimmed by moderator]


Re: Spam

 

Louise,

What I was wondering was whether it was as easy for spammers to bulk
harvest and torment group owners in io as in yahoo groups.
Probably, given that the +owner email address is listed on each group's home page.

Is there no way this could be made harder?
Groups.io has one option that Y!Groups does not: each owner/moderator has the option to control their receipt of messages sent to the +owner address. On the Subscription page one can choose "All", "Subscribers only", or "None".

Choosing an option other than "All" carries the risk that a legit non-member (perhaps someone trying to join but having difficulties) would be excluded from communicating with you. So it would likely be a good idea for at least one active moderator in each group to choose the "All" setting.

Some sort of filter before they get to us maybe?
I'm sure Groups.io uses some form of validation that any system trying to deliver a message is a "legit" email server. Whatever the state-of-the-art meaning of "legit" is these days. But that still lets through messages from compromised email accounts or from legit servers that have inadequate security on inbound messages. Or servers owned by spammers yet which seem "legit enough".

It wouldn't be easy for me to drop my yahoo email addresses at this
point but are there email providers who can intercept this type of
spam?
Yes. Both my email client (Eudora Classic) and my Gmail account routinely dump spam messages that I've received via an +owner address into my "Spam" folder. They miss some, but fortunately haven't dumped very many (maybe not any) legit messages to +owner.

Shal


Re: Spam

 

Yes, I realised that - probably should have worded my email differently. What I was wondering was whether it was as easy for spammers to bulk harvest and torment group owners in io as in yahoo groups. Is there no way this could be made harder? Some sort of filter before they get to us maybe? It wouldn't be easy for me to drop my yahoo email addresses at this point but are there email providers who can intercept this type of spam?

Louise

Sent from my iPad

On 14 Mar 2016, at 17:34, Xaun Loc wrote:

ANY email address is "potentially open to these attacks


[excess quote trimmed by moderator]


Re: Spam

 

ANY email address is "potentially open to these attacks"

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise via Groups.io
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 04:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Spam

I'm being deluged by spam to my yahoo list owner addresses. They're all the
unpaid invoice threatening emails that I've read are either phishing attempts
or contain links with ransom ware. I am careful of course but worried I might
click on something by mistake.

Just wondering if io group owner addresses are potentially open to these attacks
even if less likely as io has fewer groups so far?

Thanks,
Louise