On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 02:17 PM, Janel M Smith wrote:

I had him look at his settings and log in and he does state that he has the blue "mod" badge, but he still can't view the member list

I wonder if he is stuck with a cached page...

Get him to go to the Member List and then refresh the display.

Chris

Hi,
We're exploring groups.io to transfer our 1300 strong subscriber list, and I see that there has been a limit imposed on the number of direct adds before you have to wait for approval. Is there a place with more info on the Direct Add process on the whole? If not, I have a few questions...

1. How many can I add in one go?
2. Do members remain if I downgrade the Group to the free plan?
3. Is it correct for me to assume that directly added members will be able to receive and reply to mail via their email clients without needing a groups.io account?

Many thanks!

I had to check the variables with my test group. The result is that there is no simple method to do this.

A Special Notice is from the Owner but the reply is to the group. The From line structure is:
? ? [Group Name]@groups.io on behalf of [Owner or Moderator] via Groups.io <[Group Name]+owner@...>

The only current way to do this would be to visit your Members page under Admin, scroll all the way to the bottom so that all members show on the page (assuming you still have the default Infinite Scroll in your preferences), then go back to the top, check the checkbox next to Display Name and then choose Action -> Send Message.

That will definitely send the message to each individual with the From line showing:
? ? [Group Name][email protected]

Even so, I'm not sure why you would choose to do this rather than simply posting to the group. Depending on your member count, you would invite a potential onslaught of messages that could last for weeks.

br
Jim

Thank you both Bruce and Thomas.? I had him look at his settings and log in and he does state that he has the blue "mod" badge, but he still can't view the member list:

I have had the "Mod" blue block next to my "Home" button for a while.

I logged out, logged back in, still have the "Mod".

I went to one of the old requests <sinp> and am still getting the "You do not have permission to access that page." notification when I select "View Pending Member from the email notification that she applied to join the group.

Larry,

What mystifies me is how Yahoo somehow never had to do this.

I'm not sure what you mean.

Ronaldo is correct: Yahoo Groups modifies all From addresses to conform with DMARC. It started doing so a few months after first Yahoo Mail then AOL began setting the reject policy in their DMARC record.


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Ann,

... and cc'd the owner address. In that cc, the From line was, as I
explained, my email name = xxx . com @ groups.io.

So that explains it. Duane had it right.

The copy you received (via the +owner address) was sent to you by Groups.io. And in that case the DMARC rules apply, causing the From address modification in the message you received.

The pending member will receive your message with your original From address, as sent by your email service.

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On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 05:22 PM, Duane wrote:

Well, a deleted post doesn't appear online, so there's no Reply button.? All replies that do come in would have to be done via email.

You're right. Hadn't thought of that.?

Dave

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 04:14 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Dave -- I must admit that I'm not very fond of this idea. In a thread of multiple posts, it's hard to determine,?a priori,?exactly which of the messages is being replied to. I also do not want a function of groups.io that forces me to engage in moderation activity.?

True enough, but in the case that brought it to mind, the deleted post was a post that originated a topic that was totally un-related to the purpose of the group

As you noted, the deleted message has already gone out as emails. Removing it from the message archive cannot change that. If the message content was objectionable, we're closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.

I was just thinking about not continuing a thread that was pointless. As I said, this happened in a group I am only a member of.

If you have a one-off need, I suggest you do not delete the post....instead, edit it to remove any objectionable content followed by locking or moderating its topic. If your subscribers are truly unruly, such that this is a persistent problem in need of a software solution, then moderating every post beforehand seems like the best course of action.

Right. If it was my group, I probably would have handled it differently. I guess seeing how other groups are run helps me think about how to run mine. Thanks for your thoughts.

Dave

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:05 AM, Mick Anderson wrote:

When do bouncing members get removed fro the bouncing list?

They have to either respond to an emailed bounce probe or -- when logged in -- click on the banner link.

/static/help#bouncing

Bruce

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:05 AM, Mick Anderson wrote:

When do bouncing members get removed fro the bouncing list?
We have members who had temporary email problems but are now OK but they still appear on the bouncing member's list.

See this recent message from Duane:
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/26995

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When do bouncing members get removed fro the bouncing list?
We have members who had temporary email problems but are now OK but they still appear on the bouncing member's list.

Mick

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:47 AM, Frances wrote:

So you sent it from your own email interface, not from Groups.io?
And you put your Groups.io into the CC??

If you put it in as a cc, likely the person is replying all.
Why not try BCC'ing your owner address?
Then the person couldn't reply to your BCC Groups.io address.

?I sent a message via my private email in reply to to a pending member and cc'd the owner address.?

Perhaps you are asking for more clarification before you approve them??

My guess now is that if I am sending a message via my private email to someone who is a pending member, then groups.io puts the offending address in the From line.? How they do it, I don't know since I am NOT sending the email through groups.io.

If you put your Groups.io address in your CC line, you are involving Groups.io.
Also if you are copying the person's email address, possibly you are picking up other content / coding. Edit it down so that just a normal email address is in the To field.

I am going to leave this thread alone for now before I wear everyone out.? But before I do, I wanted to clarify some things. Perhaps you can respond, as needed.

1)? When I tried in the past to bcc the owner address, I did not receive the message.? I will test that again.

2) Yes, I do need personal information from pending members because our listserv has a limited criterion for membership, and I need to determine if a pending member fits that and more.? That is why I send personal messages from my email client. I know I can do it through groups,io, but that is not my preference.? I keep boilerplate messages for all occasions.

3)? I no longer copy the address from the Pending Member list, though I do copy and paste it from the notice that I get for member approval from groups.io.? Perhaps that triggers the unwanted address? I don't know.

Thanks in advance to all for your replies.

Thanks everyone. ?I followed the advice to Log Out and then use Email Me a Link to get back in with my own email and it worked. ?I’m still really confused ( and concerned) as to how and why Cindy in DE’s test account was able to replace my email association to my Groups subscriptions. ?Scary. ? Thanks Cindy for speaking up. ?Dianne

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:14 PM, Events events wrote:

Where do I disable “no mail”, please.\? ?Thanks

Admin, Settings, Message Policies.

See this quick start guide -
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Quick-Start-for-Group-Formation

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Hi again,
Trying to completely change the default message for new members: invite message, direct add message, welcome message. I see that I can customize and insert when I am sending, but that goes away. There also seems to be something in the admin; settings; member notices. But does this change the default? I think the welcome message for the GMF was different from the usual; how did you do that?
Paul

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Where do I disable “no mail”, please.\? ?Thanks

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 08:40 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:

What you've said is that the condition occurs when you try to send a direct message and post with a single email by including both addressees in the To: or cc: lines. Is that right?

No, it's just that the CC: went through GIO where a direct email wouldn't.? If she had used CC:to her own address, it wouldn't have happened.? Anything that gets sent to GIO by any means may have that rewritten From: if you get a copy of it back.? It all depends on which email service you have.? The other members getting a message from GIO may not see the same thing unless it's something they sent.

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On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 08:17 PM, Ellen Bourne wrote:

Bruce, I did check the activity log and also pending.? There is no email at all

Then they sent it to the wrong address.

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