Limiting choices of delivery options for new members

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Hi Wise Users,

We are migrating from Yahoo and only really using the listserv functions of ?and would like to limit the delivery option choices for our direct add members (from Yahoo) and future members to: Individual messages, Daily summary, and Special notices only. ?This would serve us well and hopefully we could simply transfer our Yahoo member’s delivery option directly. ? ?I can’t find anything about anyone trying this in the wiki. Any thoughts??

New Owner/moderator,

Paul

Re: Replying to a deleted post

Gerald Boutin

#27289

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 06:22 PM, Duane wrote:

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:28 AM, David Grimm wrote:

Is there a way (and is it desirable) to put up a 'This post has been deleted. Are you sure you want to reply?' type flag before allowing a reply to a deleted post?
Well, a deleted post doesn't appear online, so there's no Reply button.? All replies that do come in would have to be done via email.

Duane
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I suppose it would be possible to start a reply and the original post was deleted (or edited) while you were typing online. Seems unlikely to happen very often.

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Not receiving email

Ellen Bourne

#27288

Good evening
a member sent an email twice and the email did not send.
Can you please let me know what thus happen so I can relay the information?

Thanks?

Email hijacked?

#27287

I’m the owner of two groups and a member of several others.  When I try to access my groups, I get the warning that my email isn’t associated with Groups io.  There is the name “Milo Kitty” under the profile icon in the banner, with Mylokitty@... listed as the email, neither of which are mine.  I was able to post successfully this morning, now I’m locked out!  Help!

Re: #email #email

#27286

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 12:21 PM, Ann Wild wrote:

I sent a message via my private email in reply to to a pending member and cc'd the owner address.? In that cc, the From line was, as I explained, my email name = xxx . com @ groups.io.

Where you're seeing that is in the email you cc'd to groupname+owner which goes through GIO.? It's only used when necessary, so it won't show up for everyone, and shouldn't for the person that received it.

Duane
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Re: Replying to a deleted post

#27285

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 11:28 AM, David Grimm wrote:

Is there a way (and is it desirable) to put up a 'This post has been deleted. Are you sure you want to reply?' type flag before allowing a reply to a deleted post?

Well, a deleted post doesn't appear online, so there's no Reply button.? All replies that do come in would have to be done via email.

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Re: #email #email

#27284

On Thu, Jan  9, 2020 at 08:50 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:


I understand the rationale for
the?name@...>name=example.com@..., to satisfy the DMARC
tests.
What mystifies me is how Yahoo somehow never had to do this. I suppose they solved this by replacing the sender (user@...) by "nameofthegroup@..."
Can anyone confirm that my conjecture is correct or am I totally wrong?

and yes, it IS a nuisance that you don't see WHOSE message you are reading before you get to the bottom of the post/message


                                                groetjes/?is, Ronaldo

Re: #email #email

#27283

Thomas, I'm really not sure what her process is. The purpose of my post was to indicate that Reply in an MUA doesn't always create a mail directed to the individual indicated in From:. If Reply-To: is present, it takes precedence.

Is it possible that clicking "Reply to Sender" in a Groups.io mail item inserts an invisible Reply-to: in the outgoing message? This is my guess.

Larry

Re: #email #email

#27282

It's not clear to me what her process is.

On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 04:34:11 PM EST, Thomas Gruber <computerhusky@...> wrote:

hi Larry,

agreed. But Ann’s problem seems to be that her ?from“ address gets modified. That should be completely under her own control when using the local email client, and sending directly to someone else (not via ). Including her ?reply to“ address - it’s something that would be set on the local machine. Or am I overlooking something here?

Thomas

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Am 09.01.2020 um 21:36 schrieb Laurence Marks <marks@...>:

Thomas wrote:
Hi Ann,
what email client are you using, and on what type of machine (Mac/Windows/Linux/…)? It sounds very hard to believe that your email client should modify your ?from“ address when sending directly, unless you have set it like that yourself in the email client settings, or are sending to ??and not to the person’s personal email address.

Kind regards
Thomas
Thomas, that's actually incorrect. All Mail User Agents (MUA) honor a header that's usually not visible called "Reply-To:" For example, the headers might be:
From:Thomas.Gruber@...
To:TGolding@...
Reply-To: TomG@...

When TGolding receives this message, she won't see the Reply-To, but when she selects Reply, the message will display TomG, not Thomas.Gruber in her MUA.

Larry

Re: #email #email

#27281

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Hi Larry,

sorry - after thinking a bit more I believe that maybe I misunderstood you.

Do you mean that she believes she’s sending to the person directly, but in fact is sending via ?because the other person has a ?reply to“ address different from his own ?from“ address - in fact a reply to in the ?domain??

But doesn't the ?reply to“ address become visible when you use the ?reply“ command in the email client, it becomes the ?to“ address in the response email (instead of the ?from“ address of the original message)? So it can be checked and modified??

Thomas

hi Larry,

agreed. But Ann’s problem seems to be that her ?from“ address gets modified. That should be completely under her own control when using the local email client, and sending directly to someone else (not via ). Including her ?reply to“ address - it’s something that would be set on the local machine. Or am I overlooking something here?

Thomas

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Am 09.01.2020 um 21:36 schrieb Laurence Marks <marks@...>:

Thomas wrote:
Hi Ann,
what email client are you using, and on what type of machine (Mac/Windows/Linux/…)? It sounds very hard to believe that your email client should modify your ?from“ address when sending directly, unless you have set it like that yourself in the email client settings, or are sending to ??and not to the person’s personal email address.

Kind regards
Thomas
Thomas, that's actually incorrect. All Mail User Agents (MUA) honor a header that's usually not visible called "Reply-To:" For example, the headers might be:
From:Thomas.Gruber@...
To:TGolding@...
Reply-To: TomG@...

When TGolding receives this message, she won't see the Reply-To, but when she selects Reply, the message will display TomG, not Thomas.Gruber in her MUA.

Larry

Re: #email #email

#27280

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hi Larry,

agreed. But Ann’s problem seems to be that her ?from“ address gets modified. That should be completely under her own control when using the local email client, and sending directly to someone else (not via ). Including her ?reply to“ address - it’s something that would be set on the local machine. Or am I overlooking something here?

Thomas

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Am 09.01.2020 um 21:36 schrieb Laurence Marks <marks@...>:

Thomas wrote:
Hi Ann,
what email client are you using, and on what type of machine (Mac/Windows/Linux/…)? It sounds very hard to believe that your email client should modify your ?from“ address when sending directly, unless you have set it like that yourself in the email client settings, or are sending to ??and not to the person’s personal email address.

Kind regards
Thomas
Thomas, that's actually incorrect. All Mail User Agents (MUA) honor a header that's usually not visible called "Reply-To:" For example, the headers might be:
From:Thomas.Gruber@...
To:TGolding@...
Reply-To: TomG@...

When TGolding receives this message, she won't see the Reply-To, but when she selects Reply, the message will display TomG, not Thomas.Gruber in her MUA.

Larry

Re: #email #email

#27279

Roger Colwell wrote:

Larry, both mailserver examples you gave have?p=none?policy tags, which?means that the mailbox provider won't take any actions with the emails that fail DMARC. The other two acceptable 'p' tags are 'quarantine' and 'reject'.

Roger

Roger, Gmail is always listed as the troublesome one. I have a Gmail account but don't get any forums there so I don't have a good example. Here's an arbitrary one that passed.

ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
       dkim=pass header.i=@... header.s=20161025 header.b=bFgaeRTy;
       spf=pass (google.com: domain of 3vumlxhqkckmkngjw-xzuutwy-gtzshjlttlqj.htrqrfwpx7555lrfnq.htr@... designates 209.85.220.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=3VuMLXhQKCkMkngjw-xzuutwy-gtzshjlttlqj.htrqrfwpx7555lrfnq.htr@...;
       dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=google.com

Re: Replying to a deleted post

#27278

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 12:28 PM, David Grimm wrote:

Is there a way (and is it desirable) to put up a 'This post has been deleted. Are you sure you want to reply?' type flag before allowing a reply to a deleted post? I realize this wouldn't affect members who reply via email, but in that case, would it be prudent to automatically require moderation for a reply to a deleted post?

Dave -- I must admit that I'm not very fond of this idea. In a thread of multiple posts, it's hard to determine,?a priori,?exactly which of the messages is being replied to. I also do not want a function of groups.io that forces me to engage in moderation activity.?

As you noted, the deleted message has already gone out as emails. Removing it from the message archive cannot change that. If the message content was objectionable, we're closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.

If you have a one-off need, I suggest you do not delete the post....instead, edit it to remove any objectionable content followed by locking or moderating its topic. If your subscribers are truly unruly, such that this is a persistent problem in need of a software solution, then moderating every post beforehand seems like the best course of action.

My $0.02,
Bruce

Re: #email #email

#27277

Thomas wrote:

Hi Ann,
what email client are you using, and on what type of machine (Mac/Windows/Linux/…)? It sounds very hard to believe that your email client should modify your ?from“ address when sending directly, unless you have set it like that yourself in the email client settings, or are sending to ??and not to the person’s personal email address.

Kind regards
Thomas

Thomas, that's actually incorrect. All Mail User Agents (MUA) honor a header that's usually not visible called "Reply-To:" For example, the headers might be:

From:Thomas.Gruber@...
To:TGolding@...
Reply-To: TomG@...

When TGolding receives this message, she won't see the Reply-To, but when she selects Reply, the message will display TomG, not Thomas.Gruber in her MUA.

Larry

Re: #email #email

#27276

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 07:50 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:

Authentication-Results: mta4044.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; 
 dkim=pass (ok) header.i=@... header.s=echoe;
 spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=@...;
 dmarc=pass(p=none sp=NULL dis=none) header.from=yahoogroups.com;

MailChimp also doesn't seem to have this issue. Here is a mailchimp header:

Authentication-Results: mta4014.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com; 
 dkim=pass (ok) header.i=@... header.s=k1;
 spf=neutral smtp.mailfrom=@...;
 dmarc=fail(p=none sp=quarantine dis=none) header.from=gmail.com;

Note that the mailchimp email was delivered in spite of the DMARC failure.

Larry, both mailserver examples you gave have p=none policy tags, which means that the mailbox provider won't take any actions with the emails that fail DMARC. The other two acceptable 'p' tags are 'quarantine' and 'reject'.

Roger

Re: #email #email

#27275

I send second welcome messages to new members from my email with the group name in the subject.? That way responses come back to my email.
I've never cc'd the group so have no clue what that does.

Terri

Re: #email #email

#27274

Hi Ann,

what email client are you using, and on what type of machine (Mac/Windows/Linux/…)? It sounds very hard to believe that your email client should modify your ?from“ address when sending directly, unless you have set it like that yourself in the email client settings, or are sending to ??and not to the person’s personal email address.

Kind regards

Thomas

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Am 09.01.2020 um 18:58 schrieb Ann Wild via Groups.Io <annlwild@...>:

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:53 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

I'm a little confused. Firstly as to how you know what the From line showed, as received by the pending member?

As others have said, that kind of manipulation of one's From address happens only when sends the message. It would happen, for example, if you used the group's Send Message feature on the pending member.

Your own email interface wouldn't do that. So if that's what you were using I think you must be seeing something other than the From as it would have been received by that pending member.

Maybe if I delete that address from my Contacts, it might help.
That would normally only cause a confusion with the Display Name part of a received message, not the From of a sent message.
It just happened again.? I sent a message via my private email in reply to to a pending member and cc'd the owner address.? In that cc, the From line was, as I explained, my email name = xxx . com @ .? The other way I see the From line is if a member replies to my private email send.

My guess now is that if I am sending a message via my private email to someone who is a pending member, then puts the offending address in the From line.? How they do it, I don't know since I am NOT sending the email through .

I just deleted the address from my contacts list.? I totally understand that if I send a message through , that address will appear.? But it should not in messages from my private email.

I truly don't mean to be a pest, but I find this annoying---and unworkable for those who want to reply to me.

Re: #email #email

#27273

I understand the rationale for the?

name@...>name@...

hack, to satisfy the DMARC tests.

What mystifies me is how Yahoo somehow never had to do this. My group at Yahoo had dozens of gmail subscribers and never had delivery issues. Here is an extract from a Yahoo mail header:

Authentication-Results: mta4044.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; 
 dkim=pass (ok) header.i=@... header.s=echoe;
 spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=@...;
 dmarc=pass(p=none sp=NULL dis=none) header.from=yahoogroups.com;

MailChimp also doesn't seem to have this issue. Here is a mailchimp header:

Authentication-Results: mta4014.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com; 
 dkim=pass (ok) header.i=@... header.s=k1;
 spf=neutral smtp.mailfrom=@...;
 dmarc=fail(p=none sp=quarantine dis=none) header.from=gmail.com;

Note that the mailchimp email was delivered in spite of the DMARC failure.

Larry

Re: #email #email

#27272

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 01:21 PM, Ann Wild wrote:

It just happened again.? I sent a message via my private email in reply to to a pending member and cc'd the owner address.? In that cc, the From line was, as I explained, my email name = xxx . com @ groups.io.? The other way I see the From line is if a member replies to my private email send.

So you sent it from your own email interface, not from Groups.io?
And you put your Groups.io into the CC??

If you put it in as a cc, likely the person is replying all.
Why not try BCC'ing your owner address?
Then the person couldn't reply to your BCC Groups.io address.

?I sent a message via my private email in reply to to a pending member and cc'd the owner address.?

Perhaps you are asking for more clarification before you approve them??

My guess now is that if I am sending a message via my private email to someone who is a pending member, then groups.io puts the offending address in the From line.? How they do it, I don't know since I am NOT sending the email through groups.io.

If you put your Groups.io address in your CC line, you are involving Groups.io.
Also if you are copying the person's email address, possibly you are picking up other content / coding. Edit it down so that just a normal email address is in the To field.

I just deleted the address from my contacts list.? I totally understand that if I send a message through groups.io, that address will appear.? But it should not in messages from my private email.

Look to see if there is a "previous recipients" section in your email. (This is for auto-fill.) There is in Apple Mail, in Window menu item.

I truly don't mean to be a pest, but I find this annoying---and unworkable for those who want to reply to me.

Frankly, I don't quite understand what you are trying to do! Why not use the Pending Subscription member notice if the person isn't a member, but has applied for membership?

You can tweak it as much as you want, personalize it. Say who you are, and ask who they are. Include a link to a blog or website if you wish. And everything works properly.?

But if you want to send it from your own email address (something most people want to avoid!) you should leave off the Groups.io address at all. To identify that it is related to Groups.io, just put something about group application in the subject line of the email.

Frances
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Re: Are scammers attempting to join our group?

#27271

Doug,

I have one that is sitting with the pending member status.? Email looks legit as a name and a service provider.? I've sent emails asking them to check their spam folders for the confirmation notice.? I even resent the confirmation notice.? Just no response.? PLUS, my email Inbox has not gotten any additional spam in the past month from this either.

As some have mentioned, some folks are real and not the spammers.? People have lives too.? I once had a person join, then was gone form months due to being in the hospital.?

Good to hear Mark may add the Capcha or a check-box that says enter this number.? It's typically a prime number like 13, 17, or so.

BMaverick