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"Reply All" and "cc" issues

 

A member of my group recently sent an email message to someone not in our group, and cc-ed the message to our group, using our full groups.io address (something he has repeatedly been told not to do, but he persists!). The recipient replied using "Reply All", resulting in his reply being received by everyone in our group, even though the sender isn't in our group, and is not therefore authorised to post to our group. Not only that: all subsequent "Reply All" exchanges between group and non-group recipients were sent to everyone in our group. I didn't realize this was possible. This has raised security issues for us, which we clearly need to address internally. In the meantime I'd be grateful if someone on this forum could advise if it is possible to change the settings for our group to ensure we don't experience a similar breach in the future.

Many thanks
Barry
Re: Minor change to activity log -- moderation entries

 

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 09:22 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I guess we can assume if a message went into moderation for some other reason
Just now saw:
because has a moderated hashtag

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Re: Minor change to activity log -- moderation entries

 

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 09:22 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I guess we can assume if a message went into moderation for some other reason
I've also found entries for:
because the topic is moderated
because the user is moderated

In the second case, it applies whether it's permanent moderation or NuM.

Duane
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Re: navigating page numbers

 

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Thanks Duane,

Yes, I did know I could change it, just never got round to doing it, because I rarely do anything on the home page, all the messages come in to my mail program, and I send from there.

It¡¯s only when I am doing a bit of maintenance that I see these things..

My motto? If it aint broke¡­.

Win

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Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2020 1:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMF] navigating page numbers

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On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 09:06 AM, WBennett wrote:

knowing that there are 20 messages to a page

Did you know that you can change that?? In your Account - Preferences, it can be set to 20, 50, 100, or Infinite Scroll.? I've found that Infinite Scroll doesn't work on same pages, so stick to a fixed number.

Duane
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Re: #featurerequest Request for Cover Image caption #featurerequest

 

Instead of periods to force the image display, replace each period with this text:
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The browser should render this as a space.
Minor change to activity log -- moderation entries

 

On January 3, activity log entries changed slightly...it now gives a reason why each post goes into moderation.

For example, corresponding log entries in GMF now say "requires approval because the group is moderated." I guess we can assume if a message went into moderation for some other reason (e.g.: a hashtag setting, a subscriber's posting override, non-member sent the message, etc.) the entry would reflect that.
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I do like this change but don't see any mention of it in beta.
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FYI,
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Re: Bouncing Messages

 

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 09:12 AM, J R wrote:
Also what does it mean if there¡¯s a ¡°Blue B Box¡± next to their name verse a ¡°Red B Box¡±? Does their account bouncing mean they aren¡¯t receiving any messages from the group?
See /static/help#bouncing

Duane
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Bouncing Messages

 

Hi,
When I go to the ¡°Members Section¡±& then ¡°Bouncing¡± I see a list of 15 members listed. I¡¯ve sent several ¡°Send Bounce Prob¡± however the members are still present on the list? Also what does it mean if there¡¯s a ¡°Blue B Box¡± next to their name verse a ¡°Red B Box¡±? Does their account bouncing mean they aren¡¯t receiving any messages from the group?

Thanks,
Janet
Re: navigating page numbers

 

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 09:06 AM, WBennett wrote:
knowing that there are 20 messages to a page
Did you know that you can change that?? In your Account - Preferences, it can be set to 20, 50, 100, or Infinite Scroll.? I've found that Infinite Scroll doesn't work on same pages, so stick to a fixed number.

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navigating page numbers

 

Thanks Bruce,

I¡¯ve just played with the ¡°technical¡± suggestion, and that works fine, as long as I remember what page I was on.. lol¡­ If I didn¡¯t get back to it for a few days, I¡¯d have no idea¡­ except, knowing that there are 20 messages to a page and I wanted approximately page 40 (example), I could multiply 20 by 40 and use that result and I¡¯d be pretty close.

However, your first suggestion is the one I¡¯ll go by. I¡¯ve made a folder in my bookmarks called ¡°deleting attachments¡± and made the current page a bookmark¡­ then when I¡¯ve done more deletions I¡¯ll make a bookmark for the new page and delete the old one¡­ easier on old minds¡­ lol..

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Shal, thanks for your suggestion too, something to think about¡­ I usually have 7 or 8 tabs open, and most times I close them one at a time (when I¡¯m closing the computer down) and when I¡¯m at the last tab I close the program (Firefox)¡­ under those conditions, would your suggestion open just the last tab I had, or would it open all the tabs I previously had open as well? That would be a real pita¡­ something for me to test, I guess.

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Thanks again to both of you.

Win

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Monday, 6 January 2020 1:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMF] navigating page numbers

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On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 09:56 AM, WBennett wrote:

¡¯m in the section for viewing attachments? (upgrade > view attachments), I¡¯m working my way through from oldest to newest.

I¡¯m about to go to bed and will be closing down the computer. Is there any way to jump to this same page when I start again tomorrow?

I¡¯m currently on page 31 and don¡¯t want to have to start at page 1 again and click? on the arrow to advance one page at a time to get back to 31.

Win -- Short answer:? Bookmark the page in your browser and use that to come back next morning.

Longer, more technical answer:? If you look at the URL displayed in the address bar of your browser, the query string (part after the question mark) will increment by your "items per page" setting as you advance through the list. In your case there should be a "600" as the next-to-last entry in that string...this tells groups.io to start displaying attachments at the 600th entry (base zero addressing).

If you look at this sequence of comma-separated values, the first is the items per page, the second represents the sort key, the third the starting record, and I don't know what the fourth is. Try entering different numbers and see what happens.

Bruce

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Re: Moderator can't View Member List #moderators

 
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Hi Janel,
Just a guess - has the user logged out and logged in again since you made him moderator? I can imagine that the moderator settings only become effective after a fresh login.
Thomas

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Am 06.01.2020 um 15:08 schrieb Janel M Smith via Groups.Io <janel.smith@...>:

Good morning -

I changed one of my group members to moderator in order to help manage the group if I'm not available.? A request from a new person came through to join the group but when he clicks on the "View Member List" in order to approve them, he receives an error message that he doesn't have permission to view members.? I've tried with a few different requests in case it was a glitch but he still can't view the member list in order to approve/reject a request.? His permissions are set as follows:

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Does anyone know why he can't view the member list?? Is there another setting I need to look at or modify?

Thank you!
Locked Re: Work begins on Groups.io in 2014 - Mon, 01/06/2020 #cal-notice

 

Happy Anniversary?to Mark and Groups.io.? May there continue to be many more.
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Doug
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Subject: [GMF] Work begins on Groups.io in 2014 - Mon, 01/06/2020 #cal-notice
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Work begins on Groups.io in 2014

When:
Monday, 6 January 2020

Description:
Mark Fletcher posted in Twitter that this date as the anniversary of his starting work on Groups.io:

¡°I started work on 5 years ago today (launched in Sept 2014). Two truths and a lie: 9,485 commits, ~180k lines of , 0 bugs.¡±
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On the scale of other software projects, even his lie seems close enough to the truth.

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Re: Moderator can't View Member List #moderators

 

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 09:08 AM, Janel M Smith wrote:
I changed one of my group members to moderator in order to help manage the group if I'm not available.? A request from a new person came through to join the group but when he clicks on the "View Member List" in order to approve them, he receives an error message that he doesn't have permission to view members
He's probably either not logged in at all, or is logged in with a different email address (one that doesn't have Moderator permissions).

Have him look at the Home button at upper left. If it doesn't display a baby-blue "Mod" badge, then he's not logged in as a Moderator.

More info at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Group-Content-Is-Missing

Bruce
Moderator can't View Member List #moderators

 

Good morning -

I changed one of my group members to moderator in order to help manage the group if I'm not available.? A request from a new person came through to join the group but when he clicks on the "View Member List" in order to approve them, he receives an error message that he doesn't have permission to view members.? I've tried with a few different requests in case it was a glitch but he still can't view the member list in order to approve/reject a request.? His permissions are set as follows:



Does anyone know why he can't view the member list?? Is there another setting I need to look at or modify?

Thank you!

Re: Custom Invite Question

 

Hi Cindy,

I think giving reasons for asking if there is a way to do that has caused a lot of commotion, a lot of discussion, a lot of debating. I don't know whether the moderators here think that is good or bad as a result.
Generally speaking we're fine with discussing alternative ways to achieve a desired result and their pros and cons. That kind of brainstorming can be helpful to other readers as well as to the original poster.

So given the no you cant take that out answer, I'm just going to hope that the people actually read what I have written ...
One thing that might help, and maybe you've already found it, is the Horizontal line button in the second row of the formatting toolbar.

I've found that putting the group's customized text inside lines can help draw the invitee's attention.

I think this technique also helps draw attention away from the boilerplate text by clearly separating it from the customized text.
Our IO group is set to subscribers require approval.? And IO is assuming we sent the invite to someone we already approve.? If you check on the link you provided for pending subscription notice, it says you cant use it with an invitation.
The Pending Subscription notice won't be sent if the invitee accepts the invitation, but it will be sent if the recipient uses the home page button or the +subscribe command to join on their own. Presumably your are instructing them to use one of those two methods.

Note that there are two ways for the recipient to accept the invitation: they can click the link in the boilerplate or simply reply to the invitation by email. If you look at the invitation as received you will notice that the From address is specially coded to accomplish the acceptance for that particular invitee.

Shal
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Locked Work begins on Groups.io in 2014 - Mon, 01/06/2020 #cal-notice

[email protected] Calendar
 

Work begins on Groups.io in 2014

When:
Monday, 6 January 2020

Description:
Mark Fletcher posted in Twitter that this date as the anniversary of his starting work on Groups.io:

¡°I started work on 5 years ago today (launched in Sept 2014). Two truths and a lie: 9,485 commits, ~180k lines of , 0 bugs.¡±
¡ª

On the scale of other software projects, even his lie seems close enough to the truth.
Re: Custom Invite Question

 

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 09:05 PM, Cindy in DE wrote:
I can customize my invitation message
Since it will go above the 'accept' link, make your part long enough to force that way down the page. ;>)? Make your own link larger and bold to stand out.? Wish you luck and hope things turn out well.

Duane
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Re: Custom Invite Question

Cindy in DE
 

Hi Everybody! :)
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What a commotion I have caused, hahaha. I didn't mean to make this become such a big deal.? I just wanted to know if I could take out that "accept the invitation" link.? Then I would deal with the answer I got (hoping yes, haha)
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I think giving reasons for asking if there is a way to do that has caused a lot of commotion, a lot of discussion, a lot of debating. I don't know whether the moderators here think that is good or bad as a result.? Or as in the beginning should it be requested as a change and talked about elsewhere.
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I am perfectly happy with the way we can invite people through IO. I think it works well with the testing that I've done. But I've not done it with a huge number of people yet so that's left to be determined...? but I don't expect any problems.
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I had written the custom invitation message to our members we want to invite using the IO custom invitation method. And we intend to use it with a file that we upload with all of the approximate 10,000 members emails and usernames that we downloaded from YG.
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I did a lot of testing of the links that we put in for what we would like them to click on and sign up or reply to the invitation to sign up. Both of those work perfectly.
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However that one Link at the bottom "accept the invitation" surpasses them entering the information that we would like them to see or maybe they would like to see to change, edit, whatever to begin with.
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So given the no you cant take that out answer, I'm just going to hope that the people actually read what I have written and click on the link I have provided them or reply to the invitation as I say they can also do (and IO says that too in the footer) and they just dont get that far down to read that other link at the bottom.
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Shal, I've done a ton of testing of the invite with adding and removing 2 accounts (add/delete to both our group and IO) so many times I thought at one point one of them must have been flagged or something because it stopped working.? But I think it was the email server because things got back to normal.? That email address is a Comcast.net address that gets forwarded to an MSN.com address.? (For receiving emails)
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And Michael, glad to hear there are other freecyclers in the group, and thank you very much for the information.? I have already written my invitation pretty much the way you described addressing it to the old YG members and inviting them personally.? And? taking the time to write it to our particular audience of miscellaneous experience of members as you described. Our IO group is set to subscribers require approval.? And IO is assuming we sent the invite to someone we already approve.? If you check on the link you provided for pending subscription notice, it says you cant use it with an invitation.
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So, I'm cool with everything.? I like the IO invite, I can customize my invitation message, I can upload my file of approximately 10,000 (and then maybe another for approximately 3,000 TBD for other reasons) all at one time, I can emphasize my links and instructions so hopefully the members will click on those or reply to the invitation sent as instructed to.? And hopefully will not click on the other link but if they do then I'll figure it out.
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Thanks everybody, all of the suggestions have been great.? I've learned a lot for sure.
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Happy New Year and good luck with your IO Groups!
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From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
Date: 1/5/20 6:48 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [GMF] Custom Invite Question
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Cindy,

?> I can put in a change request but this is basically a 1 time
?> thing for us at this point to get people (10,000) over from YG in 1
?> invite notice to everyone at one time.? And we need to do it now.

Hmm...

I like Dotty's suggestion to use a mechanism other than Groups.io's
invite, but that will be at least tedious to accomplish with over 10,000
addresses. Last time I did something like this (several years ago) Gmail
would only allow me to BCC 200 addresses at a time, so that would be 50
messages. Your experience with other email services may vary.

An advantage (or maybe disadvantage) of Dotty's suggestion to direct the
"invitees" to the group's home page is that when the person clicks the
Request button they are taken to a page where they enter their email
address for confirmation. The person could take this opportunity to
abandon an old address in favor of a their preferred address. The
downside is that if they do so it will be more difficult for you to
track them for approval.

?> We use default settings like everyone else.? One we use is set to
?> individual emails.? The majority of our members use this but others
?> get upset about this filling up their inbox and either dont know how
?> to change it ...

A true advantage for your use case is that (if I remember correctly)
upon confirmation of their email address they will be taken to a page
where they can set their subscription options. This puts the choices
before them, so they don't need extra instruction in how to find and set
their subscription.

It will initially show what you've set in the group's Default Sub
Settings page but each person can override that choice in favor of
Digest (or whatever) if they choose. And this happens while they are
still Pending (not yet receiving any group messages).

?> The other is the signature part because everything is FREE and people
?> arent allowed solicit their business in their signature.

The signatures that Groups.io can optionally apply to members' messages
are part of the member's Subscription, but I don't recall for certain if
they are included in that landing page from the Request button.

?> Those younger members who are still working and may have their own
?> businesses. They tend to put in their business information in the
?> signature even though the are giving away free items.? So we want to
?> head that off from the beginning.

Those members probably have their work signatures set in their email
interface. Groups.io doesn't have a capability to strip those out of any
messages they post by email.

?> And the display name is from an issue in YG that we just want filled
?> out now here on IO.

I believe you can adjust that as needed while the member is still
Pending approval.

I'd like to say I've re-tested all of this for you, but I haven't. To
truly test it I'd have to go create a new email address which hasn't
been seen by Groups.io before, or delete the account associated with one
of mine which has.

Shal
Re: size of my group

 

Jim,

Where do I go to determine the size of my group? How much space my
group takes?
At the bottom of the Admin collection of links on the left, click on Upgrade. Or, if your group has already upgraded it will be called Billing.

This will show details of your group's storage usage.

Shal


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size of my group

 

Where do I go to determine the size of my group?? How much space my group takes?

Jim Allen
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