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Re: Group settings #settings

 

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 02:31 PM, AbdulHaqq McMurtry wrote:

It seems like my problem is that the moderator permissions were not property set? But though I found a way to create a moderator; I can find no instructions about how to set moderator permissions.

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¡¤???????? Robert Allison March 20, 2017 17:57

Responding to Julia's question: after opening the record of the person to be made a moderator, click on the window "Role". It offers three options: Owner, Moderator, and Member. Select moderator. Click "save" at the bottom of the screen after making your selection. Each person can have only one role; the owner has all permissions, the moderator more limited permissions.

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Now my question: One of our moderators says he cannot see the Direct
Add button under the Admin button when expanded. All he says he can
see are the following four: Pending / Members / Subgroups /
Activity
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All his MODERATOR PERMISSIONS ARE checked EXCEPT these five:
Manage Subgroups
Add or Modify Integrations
Modify Group Settings
Billing
Set Moderator Privileges
Now my question:? One of our moderators says he cannot see the Direct

Add button under the Admin button when expanded. All he says he can

see are the following four:? Pending? /? Members? /? Subgroups? /

Activity

Please direct your owner to this wiki page. No need to be a member of GMF (or indeed, not necessary to have an account with Groups.io):

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Promotion%2C-Status-or-Permissions-Change-to-Moderator-or-Owner

If you want to or need to handle subgroups, you need that approval. The owner may not want to give you this permission, especially if you are not a member of the subgroups.

There is a list of privileges.?
You need #1-13 if you are expected to help members.
Also you need to tweak your email in subscriptions so you get appropriate emails.
Email when there are messages needing approval. - need
Email when there are members needing approval. - need
Email when a member joins/leaves this group.
Email when group storage limits are reached.
Email when someone creates or deletes a subgroup.
Email when someone reports a message. - need

Your other question -?

Now my question:? One of our moderators says he cannot see the Direct?Add button under the Admin button when expanded. All he says he can?see are the following four:? Pending? /? Members? /? Subgroups? /?Activity

Direct Add is part of premium for a main group OR is part of a?Subgroup even if not premium. But if the person doesn't have permission to deal with subgroups, they won't. Just like they won't see Integrations.

The main thing - have your owner look at the?wiki page!

Frances


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Re: Group settings #settings

 

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 02:31 PM, AbdulHaqq McMurtry wrote:
It seems like my problem is that the moderator permissions were not property set? But though I found a way to create a moderator; I can find no instructions about how to set moderator permissions.
You cannot set your own permissions. The Owner will have to open your subscription record and set that for you.

See screenshot. This must be done separately for the main group and each subgroup.

Bruce


Re: Group settings #settings

 

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It seems like my problem is that the moderator permissions were not property set? But though I found a way to create a moderator; I can find no instructions about how to set moderator permissions.

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¡¤???????? Robert Allison March 20, 2017 17:57

Responding to Julia's question: after opening the record of the person to be made a moderator, click on the window "Role". It offers three options: Owner, Moderator, and Member. Select moderator. Click "save" at the bottom of the screen after making your selection. Each person can have only one role; the owner has all permissions, the moderator more limited permissions.

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Now my question: One of our moderators says he cannot see the Direct
Add button under the Admin button when expanded. All he says he can
see are the following four: Pending / Members / Subgroups /
Activity
...
All his MODERATOR PERMISSIONS ARE checked EXCEPT these five:
Manage Subgroups
Add or Modify Integrations
Modify Group Settings
Billing
Set Moderator Privileges
Now my question:? One of our moderators says he cannot see the Direct

Add button under the Admin button when expanded. All he says he can

see are the following four:? Pending? /? Members? /? Subgroups? /

Activity

...

All his MODERATOR PERMISSIONS ARE checked EXCEPT these five:

Manage Subgroups

Add or Modify Integrations

Modify Group Settings

Billing

Set Moderator Privileges

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 11:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Group settings #settings

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On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 12:57 PM, AbdulHaqq McMurtry wrote:

You said that options for email receipt can be set independently on the subgroups versus main.?

Yes, on a per subscriber basis.

Did you mean that the subscriber/member can do that or that the moderator can do that or that the owner could do that.

All of the above.

An Owner (or Moderator with the "Set Member Subscription Options" permission) can open anyone's member record (Admin>Members) and change message delivery by clicking the appropriate box in the "Email Delivery" block. If you are a Moderator and can't do this, it's because you haven't been given that permission.

Any subscriber can set?their own?email delivery preference it by clicking on Subscription on the left-side menu bar, or by sending one of the email commands listed on the home page ([email protected], etc).

There is no way to keep Subscribers from doing this, so there is no way to enforce a particular message delivery groupwide.

Bruce


Re: Gmail List subscribers, list and +owner addresses #gmail

 

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 02:21 PM, Frances wrote:
You might consider setting up a Group Guidelines (a special type of member notice that can be automatically sent to members on a timetable) -?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices
Or a Monthly Reminder. In Member Notices too.

Frances
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Re: Gmail List subscribers, list and +owner addresses #gmail

 

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 01:37 PM, Sam Kamens wrote:
Plus they would probably still have the wrong contact saved already.
I think the advice given the other day has real merit.
Send a post or two to your members from the proper group address.
That email address should be saved by their email client.

And of course, they *can* look at the homepage of the group. The post email address is there.
I know many are reluctant to use the group web interface though.

You might consider setting up a Group Guidelines (a special type of member notice that can be automatically sent to members on a timetable) -?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

Frances
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Re: display name

 

On Premium groups, the owner or authorized moderators can change the display name
Actually, this can be done on any group.

Duane
Thanks, Duane. I wasn't certain about regular groups and didn't want to give the wrong information.

Dano


Re: Group settings #settings

 
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On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 12:57 PM, AbdulHaqq McMurtry wrote:
You said that options for email receipt can be set independently on the subgroups versus main.?
Yes, on a per subscriber basis.

Did you mean that the subscriber/member can do that or that the moderator can do that or that the owner could do that.
All of the above.

An Owner (or Moderator with the "Set Member Subscription Options" permission) can open anyone's member record (Admin>Members) and change message delivery by clicking the appropriate box in the "Email Delivery" block. If you are a Moderator and can't do this, it's because you haven't been given that permission.

Any subscriber can set?their own?email delivery preference by clicking on Subscription on the left-side menu bar, or by sending one of the email commands listed on the home page ([email protected], etc).

There is no way to keep Subscribers from doing this, so there is no way to enforce a particular message delivery groupwide.

Bruce


Re: Group settings #settings

 

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 01:31 PM, AbdulHaqq McMurtry wrote:

What are the ¡°moderator Permission¡± options and where will the owner find those??? He thought he was making me moderator of the subgroup just as he made me moderator of the ¡°Main¡±.

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See this from the GMF wiki.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Promotion%2C-Status-or-Permissions-Change-to-Moderator-or-Owner

You might take a look at this overview of setting up a group - settings, etc. Groups.io has a lot of possibilities!
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Quick-Start-for-Group-Formation

Frances
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Re: display name

 

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 12:37 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
On Premium groups, the owner or authorized moderators can change the display name
Actually, this can be done on any group.

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Re: display name

 

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On Premium groups, the owner or authorized moderators can change the display name of the member?for just?that group, and it doesn't change it for any other group. Of course the member can do this as well. I don't know if that resets if a member later changes their own display name in their personal settings.
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When a member joins the group, it appears that the member list sometimes populates the members' display name field automatically, along with their email ID.
When someone joins a group, the site uses the name associated with the email address, if possible.? If there's not one or the person decides not to set one, the first part of their email address is used on messages, but is not populated in their record.? Each user can change their Display Name at any time.

Duane
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Re: Gmail List subscribers, list and +owner addresses #gmail

 

Just a followup:

I didn't feel that I could tell folks not to auto-save contacts, because many of them wouldn't want to, or wouldn't be able to figure out how. Plus they would probably still have the wrong contact saved already.

Instead I suggested that my users create a specific contact for the list address, so they can use that to send list messages. If you want to see the text of the FAQ that I wrote for the group, you can find it here:



Thanks,

Sam


Re: Group settings #settings

 

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Duane,

What are the ¡°moderator Permission¡± options and where will the owner find those??? He thought he was making me moderator of the subgroup just as he made me moderator of the ¡°Main¡±.

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Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 10:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMF] Group settings #settings

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On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:57 AM, AbdulHaqq McMurtry wrote:

But if I go into init subgroup, and there is no option for members

You don't have the proper moderator permissions to do anything else.? It would be up to the group owner to decide if they want to give those to you.

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Re: display name

 

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:51 AM, Bruce Hyman wrote:
When a member joins the group, it appears that the member list sometimes populates the members' display name field automatically, along with their email ID.
When someone joins a group, the site uses the name associated with the email address, if possible.? If there's not one or the person decides not to set one, the first part of their email address is used on messages, but is not populated in their record.? Each user can change their Display Name at any time.

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Re: Group settings #settings

 

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:57 AM, AbdulHaqq McMurtry wrote:
But if I go into init subgroup, and there is no option for members
You don't have the proper moderator permissions to do anything else.? It would be up to the group owner to decide if they want to give those to you.

Duane
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Re: Group settings #settings

 

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Bruce,

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You said that options for email receipt can be set independently on the subgroups versus main.? Did you mean that the subscriber/member can do that or that the moderator can do that or that the owner could do that.

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I am a moderator of my group DesertFlowers.

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What I have is a group with a ¡°Main¡± and a subgroup called ¡°init¡±

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Is that clear or do I need to say more to define the situation.

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I go into groups.io and get the following screen:

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If from main, I go to admin and select a member to manage, then go to that member, I see an email settings to select options in.

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But if I go into init subgroup, and there is no option for members, only an option to look at activity.? NO settings tab.? Nothing.

How does one accomplish the independent setting of email receive settings that you indicated was possible?

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Is my question clear??

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Richard

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 8:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMF] Group settings #settings

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On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:18 AM, AbdulHaqq McMurtry wrote:

Do I understand correctly that one can change email settings vor a given member in the main group to individual or digest or summary, but those settings would apply to all subgroups.

That is not correct. The subscription options (including message delivery) are independent.

Do I understand correctly that if one wants two subgroups to have different email settings, that is only possible by setting up two groups, not trying to use sbugroups.

It is not possible...period.

Bruce


display name

 

When a member joins the group, it appears that the member list sometimes populates the members' display name field automatically, along with their email ID. is there a way for the Display Name field to be automatically populated? thanks


Re: Group settings #settings

 

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:18 AM, AbdulHaqq McMurtry wrote:
Do I understand correctly that one can change email settings vor a given member in the main group to individual or digest or summary, but those settings would apply to all subgroups.
That is not correct. The subscription options (including message delivery) are independent.

Do I understand correctly that if one wants two subgroups to have different email settings, that is only possible by setting up two groups, not trying to use sbugroups.
It is not possible...period.

Bruce


Re: Making Subgroups

 

I have searched and searched trying to find a way (as moderator) to set subscription settings to the subgroup.? I found the settings that enable setting email choices (indivudal, digest, etc) for the Main list, but there appears to be no option to set the email settings to the subgroup.? Yet above uou say"Everyone who is a member of both the primary and the subgroup will receive messages from both the primary and the subgroup. Subject to their subscription settings (which are separate - they can be digest in one and individual in the other).


Re: different email settings for subgroups #email

 

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:18 AM, AbdulHaqq McMurtry wrote:
I read a thread that said that one could setup the main group to receive email and the subgroup to receive emails.?
Um, yes.

[S]o?I changed one of the members of the main group to receive no email and then went to the subgroup in the hopes of setting this person in the subgroup to receive emails, but there is no option for this.
There should be. Enter the subgroup, open that person's member record (Admin>Members), and change his entry using the radio buttons in the Email Delivery block.

So I'm trying to figure out the workaround.

Seems like what I need to do is setup a second subgroup with the email settings (digest, individual, etc) established in the main group.? It seems that there is no option for different email settings for a given person in the subgroups.

Seems like if I want to have my subgroups have different email settings, I have to create a new group with different email settings and not try to use a subgroup.

Is that correct?
Digest/individual/etc are not group settings, they are subscription settings. There is no way to force everybody in a [sub]group to receive (for example) a digest.

I hope this helps, because I really don't yet understand what you're trying to do.

Bruce


Re: Group settings #settings

 

Chris,
Do I understand correctly that one can change email settings vfor a given member in the main group to individual or digest or summary, but those settings would apply to all subgroups.?

Do I understand correctly that if one wants two subgroups to have different email settings, that is only possible by setting up two groups, not trying to use sbugroups.




Richard