On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 07:50 PM, Alex wrote:

Another very basic function is managing the members' list. For example, I want to delete one misbehaving member...
I am not seeing in the interface when I'm in the group where to access member management.

BTW, you can also moderate a specific member if you prefer.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-Moderation
And you can moderate just a topic. Or lock it.

Frances

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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 07:27 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

PGO2GIO software ($50+) are both looking more and more like vaporware.

I also beta-tested it and was able to upload a good amount of messages, but also encountered a glitch, more than likely the same one Donald did.

After things get worked out, it take care of business.

Cheers,
Christos

Alex,

Also, one other option exists.? The Yahoo download is in MBOX format.? There are several MBOX reader, viewers and robust editors on the web.?

Depending on how your YG was setup over there, the MBOX could have spam, Yahoo & AOL ads and even pron postings to adult websites.? Thus, the editor is needed before migration those messages over here.? Out of my 4 groups, 2 have the wild side junk in them from the mentioned events.?

Again, there are options.? Just figure out the best path that meets your groups needs getting over to GroupsIO.? You are in the driver's seat as the transfer window from YG to GIO is now past.

BMaverick

Alex,

PGO software doesn't have an uploader ... yet ... to Groups IO.? It's almost out of BETA testing.

As Bruce mentioned, you can give Lena's script a try.?

At the moment, I have both the PGO downloaded messages and the Yahoo packet Download file for the group.??

Once the PGO-2-GIO is perfected, I'll see what the next step is to move the messages.

I've made a sub-group and plan to load them there.? It would be a read only archive for all the members of the main group.

Our group is up and running, only using the latest created messages on GroupsIO right now.?? In our FILES section here for our group, I took the PGO messages and saved them to these formats: CSV, Excel, HTML and OpenOFFICE OSD.? This way, folks can just download them for their use.?

Depending on how you group functions, you have options on GroupsIO to move the messages to fit the needs of your group.

BMaverick
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Bruce and all . . .

On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 16:27:51 -0800, "Bruce Bowman"
<bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

and the PGO2GIO software ($50+) are both looking more and more like vaporware.

I am one of a few beta testers of the P2G software. It is in
development. It has been able to upload messages for at least one
tester, and I was able to do some also, but I encountered a glitch in
the process.

I am not at liberty to tell more, but this developer doesn't want to
release software that will not work well for everyone and that has
glitches in it. A new version is being readied for testing.

For now, just be glad that you have the messages, files, and photos
archived by PGO. That was the time-sensitive part. Once the program is
past the testing stage, you would use P2G (actually PGO-2-GIO) to do
your uploading, slowly over time, to either a new group before you
have members, or to an "announce only" subgroup where the messages
will be stored and can be searched. (You wouldn't want members to get
50,000 messages in their inbox all at once.)

When will it be ready? Not soon enough for many, of course, but it's
making real progress.

Donald



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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 07:50 PM, Alex wrote:

In my currently only active group.io there is a post in a thread which with hindsight I never should have allowed to be posted (but the member was unmoderated.)? I'd like to delete or at least edit it.
I do see, when I'm viewing that message, a dropdown that includes "delete" but it appears to me that it's to?delete the whole thread, not that one message.
What's the story? Is there a way to delete one post?

You need to delete from Message display, not Topic display if you just want to delete or edit one message.
A suggestion - test it by editing rather than deleting. Then delete after you feel comfortable.
See -?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Editing-a-message-or-topic

BTW, the wiki has a search box at the top right corner. Useful way to track down articles.

Frances
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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 07:50 PM, Alex wrote:

Another very basic function is managing the members' list. For example, I want to delete one misbehaving member...
I am not seeing in the interface when I'm in the group where to access member management.
? And that brings up a related question: If I remove a group member do they get any notice of the event?

Go to Admin, Members (not Directory).
Find the member, click on the name or email address to open the record.
You can then remove or ban the member - bottom of the page.
I am not sure about the difference between banned and removed. However I assume that removed is not punitive and the member can re-apply with the same email address. If someone is banned, the owner will have to take steps to allow the person to re-apply with that email address.

You can set up a notice to be sent automatically to the removed or banned member.
/static/help#member-notices
More about creating notices -?
?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

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Apologies if this is something that's been asked earlier or I missed finding it in an appropriate FAQ.

In my currently only active group.io there is a post in a thread which with hindsight I never should have allowed to be posted (but the member was unmoderated.)? I'd like to delete or at least edit it.
I do see, when I'm viewing that message, a dropdown that includes "delete" but it appears to me that it's to?delete the whole thread, not that one message.
What's the story? Is there a way to delete one post?

Another very basic function is managing the members' list. For example, I want to delete one misbehaving member...
I am not seeing in the interface when I'm in the group where to access member management.
? And that brings up a related question: If I remove a group member do they get any notice of the event?

My excuse for having such basic questions is that this group has been since migrated to groups.io a very very low activity, so I've spent almost no time managing it or living in the group.io group owner interface.

Thanks for any help.
Alex.
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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 07:20 PM, Alex wrote:

But currently am?clueless as to how I would import the group's saved message archive and/or files into the newly created group.io.

Can anyone give me the short* version of the "how you do this" and/or point me to a resource/link that gives the detail?

Alex -- The wiki page at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Moving-to-Groups.io?still contains the latest understanding of this.?

If you want to move your messages to the groups.io message base any time SOON, Lena's Perl script to repost the messages seems to be your only option. The good news is that her Perl script is free to use, while the groups.io import of an mbox file ($220) and the PGO2GIO software ($50+) are both looking more and more like vaporware.

Bruce

Hi all.
The bad news is that I missed the window for doing a fully automated migration to groups.io .

The good news is that just before yahoo removed the files and twenty years of archived messages I successfully downloaded them into PG offline. And I also managed to download all the members' email addresses.
(I also, just for a "plan-B" did initiate Yahoo's own download of the group content... Though I haven't yet been notified my downloaded zip is available.)

So I'm virtually certainly going to recreate the group at group.io.
But currently am?clueless as to how I would import the group's saved message archive and/or files into the newly created group.io.

Can anyone give me the short* version of the "how you do this" and/or point me to a resource/link that gives the detail?

At minimum...... Could someone tell me if what I hope to do (set up the?new group at groups.io and import the message archive and possibly files) ..... either from the PG downloader or the zip file that hopefully will materialize from yahoo someday ...is possible? Is practical?

Alex
* Long version would also be appreciated. ;-)
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I've reviewed all 4 of your posts and all the suggestions you were given.
In each case you say you're having trouble but offer absolutely? no detail information that would help others in diagnosis.
Your first post in each topic is your last.
No one knows if they helped you or not.? Instead of feedback they just get another ephemeral complaint with no detail.

Have they helped you or not?
Have you answered any of their questions? No.
It's like throwing ideas down a black hole.

If you're not providing feedback and responding to others' request for more information they/we can't help you and eventually, no one will be willing to even try.
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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 05:37 PM, Frances wrote:

Well, there has been some discussion in the past about the necessity to go to
the group homepage to reply to a message. This is what happens with plain text
digest.
With full featured, there is the opportunity to reply through email, if you
prefer.

That would make sense if you want to reply to several messages in the same thread, but since it's a digest you can just do that by email,delete the "noreply" part, and insert the right subjectline.


groetjes, Ronaldo

On 2019.12.21 1405, Terry Tegnazian wrote:

I moved our neighborhood Yahoogroup of more than 900 members to
groups.io, and paid for a subscription so I could direct add the
members. I’ve found the transition so far pretty painless.

For the members’ emails, I downloaded from Yahoogroups the list of
members as a csv, which I then saved as an Excel spreadsheet. I just
copied and pasted the email addresses from the spreadsheet into
groups.io with no problem. I did them in batches of 200 or so, and after
the first 400 there was a delay but the adds were accepted pretty
quickly (apparently approved by the groups.io moderators) and I had no
problem with the rest.

Only to clarify one point.

For Free/_Basic_ groups at GIO, using an _Invitation_ method (no experience in Direct Add of addressees.)

For the Invitation process - From everything I read there is no need to self ration the feeding of an address list. There was an explicit piece of information and advice that GIO would ration it, so no cause for alarm on any perceived delay in invitations going out. It actually mentioned that one might slow the process by breaking the feed into smaller batches oneself.

I pushed 1270 in there and they went in their own time. All done.

Again, for a direct add of addressees I have no experience, or advice.

I also downloaded the database of member info from Yahoogroups as a csv,
saved as an Excel spreadsheet, then created a database structure on
groups.io with the same number of columns and same column titles as we
had used in Yahoogroups, and had no problem importing into groups.io
from the spreadsheet.

For the 80+ Word docx files, I had saved them from Yahoogroups onto my
hard drive, and those I uploaded to a folder in the groups.io Files
section manually, one at a time.

I found no need to upload to the Files area one at a time. I selected a directory and let it go.

I also created a subgroup for our board of directors, and followed the
same procedure as above (in Yahoogroups we had had a separate group for
the board).

The last challenge, which I haven’t tackled yet, is the message
archives. I have downloaded them from Yahoogroups, but not yet tried to
get them onto groups.io.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Terry Tegnazian

Thanks for sharing your work Terry.

Cheers, John
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I am amused that the first real topic on GMF was about getting people to join your group. Looks like marketing is a perennial problem.
See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/2

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FOLLOW UP 2 . . . .

OK, finally our Posting Guidelines text updated when selected from the Left-sidebar but I don't understand why it was so delayed in doing so.

Maybe one of those suggestions was eventually what did it, tho obviously nowhere near immediately.

Thanx for the ideas. All seems well now!

Cheers!

Paul M.
CostaRicaLiving
https: //groups.io/g/CostaRicaLiving
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Bruce . . .

On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:36:02 -0800, "Bruce Bowman"
<bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

I've found that I need to post a few times myself to prime the pump,

I did the same with several of my groups. Some others got moving along
on their own pretty quickly though.

Donald


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/g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly)
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
/g/CatVet (just launched)

Cleared the History and the cache, Bruce, and did a hard refresh [command + R] on my MacBookPro (OS 10.11) Using Safari vers. 11.1.2 and there's no change in the text of the Guidelines as previously described. (Tried [CTRL + F5], too, but nothing.)

Not sure how to resolve this or whether there is some doable workaround.

Still open to other ideas.

Paul M.
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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 09:16 AM, Donald Hellen wrote:

My guess is that you transferred a group and the group members as a
whole are resistant to change.

I've found that I need to post a few times myself to prime the pump, to wit:?

-- "How do you like groups.io so far? This post came back to me in under 30 seconds!"?
-- "Should we use this calendaring system or stick with Google?"
-- "Hey, how 'bout those 49ers?"
etc.

This gives them something to talk about and as a bonus, populates the new group email address in people's email client. Otherwise, they could start typing in the group name and 'lo and behold, the client's autocomplete fills in the Yahoo Group address and their message gets sent to the bit-bucket.

Bruce

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