On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 04:05 PM, Sun Seeker wrote:

Is there some way to change the order of the posts that show on the topic page?? On my messages page, each topic is shown, but the short text under the heading is the original message.? I would like to change it so that when members see the message page, they see a snippet of the latest post instead of the first post.

Sun Seeker -- Click on the "Date" link at upper right to invert the sort order.?There is no group setting for this, but once set, it should be "remembered" until you (perhaps inadvertently) change it again.

Bruce

I have done a search of the topics and did not see an answer.? Is there some way to change the order of the posts that show on the topic page?? On my messages page, each topic is shown, but the short text under the heading is the original message.? I would like to change it so that when members see the message page, they see a snippet of the latest post instead of the first post.

Thanks

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 03:47 PM, D&J Edgar wrote:

That does not make sense to me but if it does, then I will try it. ?To be specific, I would ask to join a Premium Group with the errant email address (of which I would never get a confirmation email to) and then owner of that group would backdoor confirm me and thus I would be confirmed in my owned group at the same time.

David -- It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either, but you're correct...a "bad" email address (e.g.: one incapable of receiving messages) can still be confirmed by having a Premium group owner Direct Add that address to his list of subscribers.

To refresh, my situation is where I, the sole owner of a regular group, tried to change my address and goofed typing it in. ?I am now listed as NC because the confirmation email never came to me since it is a bogus address with the wrong extension. ?And I am unable to get into my group to make any correction since I am NC.?

Confirmation may not help you with this, as you have to log in to change it. If the bad address can't receive an email and you have no password set up you're still going to find yourself stuck.

Bruce

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 02:41 PM, Sandy Kozinn wrote:

Any reason the user can't just change the "to" field manually by changing the the group name to an individual name if desired for an individual message? Will that not usually work?

In their email client, yes.? Online, no.

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On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 02:17 PM, <nanr93@...> wrote:

Now that Verizon will honor Yahoo download requests until Jan 31, 2020, I wonder whether groups.io will resume allowing easy transfer of Yahoo groups?

Nope.? The online archives are supposed to disappear after tomorrow, so GIO would have no way to access the information.? That information is only if you want to use the getmydata request from YG directly.

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Someone suggested that if my account was associated with any other group, any owner can go in and confirm. ?I am in three groups, one of which I am an owner and the one where I goofed up and now am unconfirmed in only that group. ?So while my account was in three groups (my owner group, the GMF group and one more), I am in effect only in one group (my owned group) with the errant email now. ?I suppose if the suggestion works, I could join any group with the errant address and have the owner of that group backdoor me in by confirming me (and apparently a Premium Group owner can do that).

If the group doesn't check the "Remove Other Reply Options" box then the user can toggle between reply destinations using the silver buttons to the right of the Reply and Discard buttons.

Any reason the user can't just change the "to" field manually by changing the the group name to an individual name if desired for an individual message? Will that not usually work?

Sandy

Shal

Now that Verizon will honor Yahoo download requests until Jan 31, 2020, I wonder whether groups.io will resume allowing easy transfer of Yahoo groups??

Thanks,
Nancy

But at the end of the day Verizon has the final say.?

Ditto that. Verizon is a merger and aquisition company.
When moving to FL I took advantage of great low cost Verizon FiOs. Within a few years they sold off their Florida FiOs market to Frontier. Service became unstable, customer support went downhill and bills skyrocketed as Frontier struggled to find the sweet spot of service delivery that returned a profit to them.?

Verizon is in it to make money. No one really knows where Yahoo! will end up.

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 12:29 PM, Butch7999 wrote:

Will the "pre" "/pre" tags not work in HTML code in here?

Yes, but you will have to enter that in "source code" mode, as the editor does not provide these tags via the menu icons. Using <pre></pre> will also put a gray box around the text, which may or may not be objectionable. This is some artifact of the style sheets groups.io uses, which I'm told are a (see the files area).

Example:

This
      text        is
                      preformatted
and        contains       embedded
                                                           whitespace

Hope this helps,
Bruce

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 01:49 PM, Bill Mosca wrote:

The Yahoo groups put the quoted post at the bottom of the reply. Is there a setting in GIO, either for group or subscription, as to the placement of the quote (before or after the reply)?

Bill -- This has been discussed at length here in GMF and in beta, and everyone seems to have their own opinion of what is "correct." The default behavior of the online message editor is no quoting at all, leaving it up to the individual. Personally, I like this approach...the incessant bottom-quoting of each successive message in Yahoo could get pretty ridiculous, especially for those who receive digests.

There is a "quote whole post" icon at the far left of the message editor, or if you select a section of the original message with your mouse before clicking Reply and it will be carried down into your message composition window. Of course, for those who respond via email, it depends entirely on the settings of their email client, and there is no way for groups.io to exercise any control over that.

If you wish to have specific quoting rules for your group, it will have to be enforced by moderation activities, not software.?

Regards,
Bruce

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 06:39 PM, Alex wrote:

I suppose I could just create a new identical group of the same ?members at groups.io....and ?manually add all my old members, or have them join. Right??

Hi Alex, Our YG owner and myslef (her mod) did not need see a value in bringing over our ?archived posts on YG. We did bring over a couple of files. But those were files we had uploaded so we already had them on our computers.

Our members fluctuate year to year due to officer elections and chair appointments. We did what you suggest as a possible solution for yours. We created a new "identically purposed" group on GIO.

Instead of manually adding members, we posted a link to GIO on our YG home page and emailed the existing YG members a link which directed them to our new group on GIO.

They joined our group here. No problem. Easy Peasy. A fresh start and much less work and worry on the part of the owner and moderator.?
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 05:59 PM, Maria McGrath wrote:

Is there any way that we can restrict members from exporting a database that has been set up by a moderator / owner ?

Hi Maria,
I would agree with Gerald on this one. There are many options that allow displayed data to be collected other than exporting it. I have copied and pasted data from online tables on many different websites. Nearly anything displayed on a website can be captured in some way. Hopefully knowing this you will be able to better understand what information to collect and share with your group.?
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The Yahoo groups put the quoted post at the bottom of the reply. Is there a setting in GIO, either for group or subscription, as to the placement of the quote (before or after the reply)?

The problem in knowing what yahoo was going to do is that while it appeared at the head of the group page, many people, including owners, never accessed the group page; there was no reason to as everything was done by email.? So don't be too hard on people that missed.? I never would have found out had not someone on a group I belong to mentioned it in passing.......and even then the first time I went to that group page, the announcement was NOT there.


[mod note: or as happened to me, it was there but because it is placed above the group's cover image it was auto-scrolled off the top of my viewing window.]

Well, that won't help because when I've contacted support, all I get, if anything, is a canned response saying they cannot respond.

Will the "pre" "/pre" tags not work in HTML code in here? Just asking, haven't tried it out on a GIO page,
but the HTML pages (non-phpbb) we've built on other servers have always allowed for "pre" tags to
create white space...

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:10 PM, Kenny Williams wrote:

As the new members requested membership, I manually approved them, but a few are now showing "NC" (not confirmed) on the members list.

Kenny; your manually approved them above is a function of your running a Restricted Group wherein subscribers have to be approved rather than just "joining". Do you use the "Pending Subscription" message requirement? I suspect not because I hope you would have mentioned it.

The simple solution to this is not to approve applicants until they have confirmed their request to join by sending the reply requested by Groups.io. Do you "approve" by email? I suspect that you do but IIRC there is no clue in the email notification that the applicant has yet to confirm their request to join; IMHO it is much better to approve from the Pending Approval list because any NC flag is clearly visible, and if there is a flag against any given application you can just leave the application sitting there until such time as it is cleared by Groups.io receiving the requested confirmation. (Ditto a reply being received by you to a Pending Subscription message) If no action is taken then the application will lapse after 14 days and will vanish; if you wish you can force a resend of the Confirmation Email.

By leaving incomplete applications in the pending tray you can prevent NC flags appearing at random in your Members list. As has been pointed out "members" thus flagged can neither post nor receive group messages so there is no useful purpose being served by their actually being members.

One query... "manual" approval? AFAIK for a Restricted Group there is no "non - manual" way. :)

Chris