On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 01:49 PM, Bill Mosca wrote:

The Yahoo groups put the quoted post at the bottom of the reply. Is there a setting in GIO, either for group or subscription, as to the placement of the quote (before or after the reply)?

Bill -- This has been discussed at length here in GMF and in beta, and everyone seems to have their own opinion of what is "correct." The default behavior of the online message editor is no quoting at all, leaving it up to the individual. Personally, I like this approach...the incessant bottom-quoting of each successive message in Yahoo could get pretty ridiculous, especially for those who receive digests.

There is a "quote whole post" icon at the far left of the message editor, or if you select a section of the original message with your mouse before clicking Reply and it will be carried down into your message composition window. Of course, for those who respond via email, it depends entirely on the settings of their email client, and there is no way for groups.io to exercise any control over that.

If you wish to have specific quoting rules for your group, it will have to be enforced by moderation activities, not software.?

Regards,
Bruce

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 06:39 PM, Alex wrote:

I suppose I could just create a new identical group of the same ?members at groups.io....and ?manually add all my old members, or have them join. Right??

Hi Alex, Our YG owner and myslef (her mod) did not need see a value in bringing over our ?archived posts on YG. We did bring over a couple of files. But those were files we had uploaded so we already had them on our computers.

Our members fluctuate year to year due to officer elections and chair appointments. We did what you suggest as a possible solution for yours. We created a new "identically purposed" group on GIO.

Instead of manually adding members, we posted a link to GIO on our YG home page and emailed the existing YG members a link which directed them to our new group on GIO.

They joined our group here. No problem. Easy Peasy. A fresh start and much less work and worry on the part of the owner and moderator.?
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 05:59 PM, Maria McGrath wrote:

Is there any way that we can restrict members from exporting a database that has been set up by a moderator / owner ?

Hi Maria,
I would agree with Gerald on this one. There are many options that allow displayed data to be collected other than exporting it. I have copied and pasted data from online tables on many different websites. Nearly anything displayed on a website can be captured in some way. Hopefully knowing this you will be able to better understand what information to collect and share with your group.?
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The Yahoo groups put the quoted post at the bottom of the reply. Is there a setting in GIO, either for group or subscription, as to the placement of the quote (before or after the reply)?

The problem in knowing what yahoo was going to do is that while it appeared at the head of the group page, many people, including owners, never accessed the group page; there was no reason to as everything was done by email.? So don't be too hard on people that missed.? I never would have found out had not someone on a group I belong to mentioned it in passing.......and even then the first time I went to that group page, the announcement was NOT there.


[mod note: or as happened to me, it was there but because it is placed above the group's cover image it was auto-scrolled off the top of my viewing window.]

Well, that won't help because when I've contacted support, all I get, if anything, is a canned response saying they cannot respond.

Will the "pre" "/pre" tags not work in HTML code in here? Just asking, haven't tried it out on a GIO page,
but the HTML pages (non-phpbb) we've built on other servers have always allowed for "pre" tags to
create white space...

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:10 PM, Kenny Williams wrote:

As the new members requested membership, I manually approved them, but a few are now showing "NC" (not confirmed) on the members list.

Kenny; your manually approved them above is a function of your running a Restricted Group wherein subscribers have to be approved rather than just "joining". Do you use the "Pending Subscription" message requirement? I suspect not because I hope you would have mentioned it.

The simple solution to this is not to approve applicants until they have confirmed their request to join by sending the reply requested by Groups.io. Do you "approve" by email? I suspect that you do but IIRC there is no clue in the email notification that the applicant has yet to confirm their request to join; IMHO it is much better to approve from the Pending Approval list because any NC flag is clearly visible, and if there is a flag against any given application you can just leave the application sitting there until such time as it is cleared by Groups.io receiving the requested confirmation. (Ditto a reply being received by you to a Pending Subscription message) If no action is taken then the application will lapse after 14 days and will vanish; if you wish you can force a resend of the Confirmation Email.

By leaving incomplete applications in the pending tray you can prevent NC flags appearing at random in your Members list. As has been pointed out "members" thus flagged can neither post nor receive group messages so there is no useful purpose being served by their actually being members.

One query... "manual" approval? AFAIK for a Restricted Group there is no "non - manual" way. :)

Chris

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 09:36 AM, ray_r.rm wrote:

I do not want to lose these "members" because from another source they have useful info,
but it appears that there is nothing I can do about it.

In this context you could try deleting the NC subscription and send the same address an invitation to your group. If the recipient responds to the invitation, this achieves the same objective as the confirmation email, and the account doesn't land in NC status.

If he still doesn't respond, it's unfortunate, but at least your member list won't be cluttered with people who are effectively non-members. It would be my preference that NC accounts have their own entry in the blue pull-down menu; or failing that, land among the subscriptions in the Pending list. Unfortunately, such suggestions in beta haven't gotten much traction.

Bruce

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 09:36 AM, ray_r.rm wrote:

I do not want to lose these "members" because from another source they have useful info,
but it appears that there is nothing I can do about it. Even though it is their own fault for being NC, how can
I help them recover?

Richard -- Many folks join groups because they want to receive messages, and aren't interested in posting. When they subsequently get an "unsolicited" email saying they have to reply, they may balk without even reading it carefully. Most of the posts that I receive in the course of a day that say something like that are indeed some kind of spam, so this behavior is understandable. I've met with more success with such recalcitrant folks by sending them an explanation -- telling them to look for it and what they need to do -- before resending the confirmation email. But even that might not work if the recipient doesn't know you.

Having said all that, please also consider the possibility that they could have changed their mind, or forgotten that they requested a subscription, or someone else signed them up via "Join This Group," and so on. The last sentence of the confirmation email says "If you did not request - or do not want - a subscription to this group, please accept our apologies and ignore this message." There's a reason why it says that.

Regards,
Bruce

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 02:24 AM, Art Kocsis wrote:

How does one insert tabs or specify a fixed point font on a Wiki page?
All of the eleven available fonts are proportional and trying to insert tabs
just changes fields.

In essence, I want to display a two column table and left align the second column.

This is tricky on every forum on every forum site I've ever been on--not just Groups.io or their Wiki.

As Shal noted, the best solution (if you have the skill) is to use an HTML table. Here is the second-best solution.

Intuitively, you would think that you could simply switch the font to a monospaced (fixed-pitch) font like Courier or Lucida Console and use spaces to line things up. That works in word processors like Word. Unfortunately, the HTML standard defines "whitespace" as spaces, tabs, newlines (CR, LF, or CRLF). It states that any string of whitespace shall be condensed to a single character of whitespace when rendering. So even if you carefully save a table that's padded with spaces for alignment, and it's delivered to the viewer that way, his browser betrays you and collapses it to a single space.

So the only option is to use some non-whitespace character for some of the padding, never using two whitespace symbols in sequence. Here's a bogus table, where I'm trying a few different padding options with Courier.

Column A? ?Column B
aa _______ bbbbb
aaaa ..... bbb
aaaaa _ _ _bbbbbb
a _ _ _ _ _bbbb
aa . . . . bbbbb

I think I like the solid underscores and dots better than the dashed versions, but all of these seem to work.

Larry

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On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 09:25 AM, WBennett wrote:

I had a pending member, he responded to the questionnaire which goes out on application. I emailed him privately for clarification of some points and a few minutes later, I got the message from groups.io that he had left the group.

Why did I get that message when he hadn’t even been approved?

He must have balked at something you asked him...many folks are loath to give out information.

As for the notification, members in pending status are nonetheless members, and this notification is sent so you know that he left of his own accord. The alternative -- silently disappearing without leaving you with any understanding of what happened -- strikes me as undesirable.

Regards,
Bruce

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On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 03:05 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

What it does here:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Moving-to-Groups.io

Art, I think Shal meant:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/How-to-put-a-Table-of-Contents-on-a-Wiki-page

be careful that the TOC script isn’t formatted as a heading. It goes whacky and of course there’s no indicator the text is a heading if the size is consistent in your page. It drove me NUTS until I realized that I had inserted the TOC script into an already formatted area. ?

Ordinary free group with about 700 members.

If they joined a year ago and are not getting any messages it seems that they might inquire.
I clicked on the name ans scrolled down, then clicked on send confirmation notice.
It is too soon to tell if any responded.
How would I, as Owner, know that they confirmed?
I expect the "NC" would just disappear.
I invited one and found that he is already a member.
All of them have the first post moderated and have the "NM" note.
Another one, I verified that his e-mail is correct, from another source and that he is
involved in the activity this Group is focused on.

I do not want to lose these "members" because from another source they have useful info,
but it appears that there is nothing I can do about it. Even though it is their own fault for being NC, how can
I help them recover?

Thanks,
Richard

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Bruce,

I would agree.? There are groups still in YG that have only waken up to the fact YG is going DARK in the past week.? We've seen a few post here with the manual PGO, YG download MBOX, and even Lena's scripts.?

Should it be true for YG to still allow group downloads till the end of Jan 2020, the game is still on, just the brunt force like the 3300+ in short time order isn't there.? Anywhere from several dozen to another few hundred groups could be in the wings.

We are now looking at T-minus 1-day-ish before all goes DARK on YG.

BMaverick

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