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Thank you Duane for clarifying deleting ones OWN MESSAGES on beta.
Frances says it is disabled. It evidently is not disabled. Do you know Frances?

Hey Frances - where do you get this evidence??? Are you attempting to delete someone else's message?
If so you are missing the point and causing unhelpful expectations. I have just spent 3 hours hunting down your assertions. Duh.

Stan,

But I see a variety, including the initial welcome message to
the group after migration from Yahoo, the first special message sent
since the migration, and the most recent special message.

That's intriguing.

I understand what Bruce is saying about the Bounce history being absent activity from other groups, but I'm not sure that applies to the Most Recent Successful Delivery box. And if it does, then those intervening messages in other groups should make the content go blank, not refer to an older post in this group.

The Message Selection option (Membership tab, Advanced Preferences) comes to mind, but my understanding is that Special Notices are supposed to bypass that. Also, I suspect very few members have even noticed that, much less used it.

Could they have been on No Email part of the time?

Shal


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Gerald,

Maybe I am missing something, but I don't understand why there aren't
many complaints about moderated messages being edited without
notifying the OP.

For Y!Group refugees that's par for the course.

On the other hand, Y!G does put fields in the message header to reveal approval and edit. I suggested in beta that Groups.io do likewise but the idea wasn't liked by owners who were afraid it would cause members to single out particular mods for their ire. It wasn't acted on.

On the other hand, I very much appreciate the moderator's notes on
this group when moderation has included editing.

I got into that habit long ago, at the example of a more senior mod. And I generally approve of transparency. So, "you're welcome".

Shal
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On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 06:54 PM, E Casterline wrote:

definitely weird at first having the sub-group interface look so much like the main group interface.

Of course, the interface will look the same but you can add a distinctive photo for each group.

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On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 06:57 PM, Su wrote:

1. Is there any way to copy an existing Calendar entry and use that to create a new one? The specific case I'm looking at has a 4-day event that is presented twice a day. I've created the events for the earlier time and would like to duplicate that and change the start / end times for the second set of presentations.

Su -- I wish.

What I do is open the "template event" in one browser tab and cut-and-paste the contents of each field manually into the "new event" dialog in another browser tab, changing things as necessary. It is burdensome, and hopefully someone smarter than me has come up with a better way.

2. If I set a reminder for the event, will it be sent before each day? (I ended up having to create an event that repeats for the 4 days. With a reminder say 5 days before the event, will it send one 5 days before the first day, then 5 days before the second day, and so forth?)

I believe so, but have not actually tested this for a recurring event.

3. Is there any provision to attach a flyer or other image to a calendar event?

Not really. You can embed an <img> tag for a photo hosted on another site and have it show up in the Event Description, but if the photo is subsequently moved or deleted a broken link will show instead. The process is kinda weird and unreliable, see?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/31532132#16547?for details. I don't know if it would work for a PDF or any other data type. If you try it, please report back on what you find out.

Bruce

Nancy,

Getting nervous as I have a subgroup to come over as well.

If neither the subgroup nor the Yahoo Group it is to come from are involved in other transfers at the moment then it should be safe to run this transfer concurrently with the one you're running now, even if that's to the primary group of the subgroup.

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On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 05:44 PM, E Casterline wrote:

it instead shows a picklist of people in the main group who I can choose from to add to the subgroup

If you go through your membership list on your main group a page at a time, you'll notice that some people have a check mark for Group A, some for Group B, and possibly some for both.? It will depend on which YG they were members of.

And yes, on the subgroup it only shows people that are members of the main group, but not that subgroup.? The ones that are actually members of the subgroup will be shown on the Members page for that subgroup.

BTW Frances, this works the same way for a free group with subgroups.

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1. Is there any way to copy an existing Calendar entry and use that to create a new one? The specific case I'm looking at has a 4-day event that is presented twice a day. I've created the events for the earlier time and would like to duplicate that and change the start / end times for the second set of presentations.

2. If I set a reminder for the event, will it be sent before each day? (I ended up having to create an event that repeats for the 4 days. With a reminder say 5 days before the event, will it send one 5 days before the first day, then 5 days before the second day, and so forth?)

3. Is there any provision to attach a flyer or other image to a calendar event?

Thanks,
Su

Thanks Shal! Yes, definitely weird at first having the sub-group interface look so much like the main group interface. It has finally clicked in my brain.

Rob,

My group has a foodbank collection last saturday in each month. Is
there any way of setting that up in Calendar?

Alas, no.

If you go to a last Saturday of a month that has five and create the event there you can select:

Repeats: Monthly
Repeats Every: 1 months
Repeat by day of the week

Then the Repeat summary says "Monthly on the Fifth Saturday", and it means exactly that.

You could also set up a repeating event for the Fourth Saturday, but in months that have a fifth you'd have to manually delete the instance on the fourth.

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Hah, that did help, thank you! I conceptually already understood the relationships between the main group and subgroups, and how membership in the main group is required first, but the interface was really confusing to me... It has now clicked in my mind. For example, in a subgroup, even though it's called "Direct Add" it's quite unlike the "Direct Add" in the main group... it instead shows a picklist of people in the main group who I can choose from to add to the subgroup. And where it says "Directly add members of the parent group to this subgroup" I can interpret that to mean "Here are the people in your main group to pick from to add to this sub-group, 'cause they have to be in your main group first -- if you want to add someone else, add them to the main group first and they'll pop up here, or go to admin/subgroups and manage their sub-group memberships there, and everyone will be happy!" not "The system will automatically add members of the parent group to this subgroup". Granted, my version is way too wordy. :)

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 05:59 PM, E Casterline wrote:

I'm in the subgroup (let's call it subgroup A). The people listed in subgroup A in the "Direct Add" section are already in the Main group (I spot-checked) and in subgroup B (also spot-checked) -- and I don't want to add them to subgroup A -- they mysteriously appeared in the "Direct Add" section of subgroup A during the transfer.

If it doesn't automatically add people in the parent group to the subgroup, why does it say "Directly add members of the parent group to this subgroup" at the top?

Is it as simple as giving you the option of adding people who aren't part of subgroup A already? These are people who are in your main group and the system might be saying, hey, want to add these?

I am not sure if there is an option to clear the direct add box since I have never managed a Premium group.

Frances
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Edith,

2. Is there a way to clear all these emails out of the "Direct Add" so
that it's blank ...

No. From the subgroup's point of view those are the only people eligible to be added.

and I can directly add people myself?

Yes.

But you do it on the Direct Add page of the Primary group (because they must also be members of the primary group). On that page there are checkboxes for which subgroup(s) you want them to also be added to.

It seems a bid weird at first, but it is easy once you realize what's going on.

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On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 05:59 PM, E Casterline wrote:

The people listed in subgroup A in the "Direct Add" section are already in the Main group (I spot-checked) and in subgroup B (also spot-checked) -- and I don't want to add them to subgroup A -- they mysteriously appeared in the "Direct Add" section of subgroup A during the transfer. If it doesn't automatically add people in the parent group to the subgroup, why does it say "Directly add members of the parent group to this subgroup" at the top?

Because that's all you CAN do.

Let me see if I can walk you through it.

-- You did a transfer from a Yahoo group into subgroup A. During that transfer, every individual added to subgroup A was also added to the parent group.
-- Then you did a transfer from another Yahoo group into subgroup B. The same thing happened to the parent group as above.
-- So now the parent group contains all members that were in EITHER of the two originating groups. Follow me so far?

As for the pick-list, there is nothing mysterious about it. When you open up Direct Add in a subgroup, you are presented with a list of people in the parent group that you can add. This will be a long list, for reasons already stated. To add someone to the subgroup, you tick the checkbox next to his name and click the "Add Members" button.

You cannot add anyone to the subgroup who isn't on this list. If you want to do that, you have to add them to the parent group first. At that point they will appear on the list and you can add them to the subgroup, too.

If your parent group and its subgroups do not follow this kind of natural relationship, jumping through these hoops can be very burdensome. That's why we recommend people carefully read the "why use a subgroup" wiki entry I linked previously before they do their transfers, lest they end up having problems with member management.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

Bruce, I think you are misunderstanding my issue, sorry if I wasn't clear -- I super appreciate your taking the time to answer, so I hope you'll take another look. To try to clarify: I'm in the subgroup (let's call it subgroup A). The people listed in subgroup A in the "Direct Add" section are already in the Main group (I spot-checked) and in subgroup B (also spot-checked) -- and I don't want to add them to subgroup A -- they mysteriously appeared in the "Direct Add" section of subgroup A during the transfer.

If it doesn't automatically add people in the parent group to the subgroup, why does it say "Directly add members of the parent group to this subgroup" at the top?

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 05:17 PM, CStevenson/Geotrees.Com wrote:

Has anyone else had this problem? Does anyone know what's going on?

If we're talking about the "error while loading the content" problem, it's a bug in Yahoo Groups, not groups.io ... and it happens A LOT.

The answer is what Shal said (/g/GroupManagersForum/message/24570).

Keep trying, refreshing the page beforehand, or even try a different browser. Oh and by the way, you must be an Owner of the Yahoo group, or a Moderator with "promote" permissions. If you're not, find someone who is.

Good luck,
Bruce

There are 84 'Last Weekday of Month' each year (7x12) that can not be referenced, e.g. Last Friday of the Month
see "Calendar missing "Last" function for repeating events"

2018-06-25

We should bring it up again in 2020 on the beta (suggestion) group
and hopefully this oversight will be addressed...

Friday, November 22nd, 2019
4:08 PM, DC Time, First Try
4:33 PM, DC Time, Second Try
5:08 PM, DC Time, Third Try

(Responding to Doug Boulton's message to the group at 2:05 PM today)

I'm having the same problem, Doug, and await any explanation or correction that Groups.Io has to offer. Haven't seen anything on it so far.

Has anyone else had this problem? Does anyone know what's going on?

Charles Stevenson
Northern virginia
anjinsan AT geotrees com

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 11:38 AM, Ann Wild wrote:

Is it possible to make the message titles live so that if you click in the title, it takes you down to the specific message within the digest itself?

Ann -- The Full Featured Digest does exactly that, if viewed using webmail in a browser. I cannot predict what might happen in an email client, but I suspect it could vary depending on the client [mail reader software] and its configuration. Perhaps if you tell us what client you are using someone here can help you with that.

Bruce