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Re: Help for a potential new Groups.io account #mailman

 

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On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:39 PM Jenine Stanley <jenine.stanley@...> wrote:
I¡¯m working with a non-profit that wants to move its considerable mailing lists to ?but has many questions. The person I¡¯m working with has contacted the support link listed in the ?documentation but has had no response back and before the organization spends money, he wants to know some aspects of the following:?
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The Support team is currently only responding to requests from list owners of premium accounts due to the workload of migrating hundreds of Yahoo lists.
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Regards,
Larry


Re: How to recover a lost or abandoned Yahoo Group and transfer it to Groups.io

 

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 11:47 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
"I'm not sure what the limitations are without moderator status"

PGO can get everything as a non-mod, non-owner except for the un-munged email addresses of members.

Users can choose not to share their real email addresses and even as an owner, you won¡¯t get them.

Early YG users (those grandfathered in from GeoCities (?))? didn't join with an email address and all you'll see is a big random number.

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Cheers,

Wilson.

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Re: Accidental unsubscription

 

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:13 AM, Rubens Queiroz de Almeida wrote:
Hi, I received an unsubscription request from a person, and I accidentally unsubscribed myself from the group Aprendendo-ingles, of which I am the owner.
If you were the last Owner, you should not be able to do that. Go back to the group and double-check that you're actually unsubscribed.

How can I regain my owner status in this group?
Resubscribe to the group, then have one of your co-owners promote you back to Owner. This is done by pulling down the Role menu in your member record and making the appropriate selection.

Bruce


Accidental unsubscription

Rubens Queiroz de Almeida
 

Hi, I received an unsubscription request from a person, and I accidentally unsubscribed myself from the group Aprendendo-ingles, of which I am the owner. How can I regain my owner status in this group?
Sorry for the inconvenience :-(
All the best,
Rubens


 

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 09:48 AM, Scott H. wrote:
I have a member whose e-mail address has changed. I can go to the Admin, Members section of the group. I can open the members information page and I can enter his new e-mail address. When I click save at the bottom of the page, I get a message (in red) "That email address is already registered" and the e-mail address in the Email box reverts to the old e-mail address. The member is using the new w-mail address in our? club "test" group.
As far as groups.io is concerned, those two email addresses are two different people. If you had changed the email address before he subscribed to the "test" group using the other one, you probably wouldn't have gotten the error message.

? How to I as Owner or Moderator change a members e-mail address in the migrated group?
If the email address the subscriber is changing to is not already in use, you can update it as you attempted to do. If it's already registered, you cannot.?

Going forward, how do members edit their own information?
That depends on what "information" they need to edit. Account information can be found at?/account. Subscription information can be found at?/g/GROUPNAME/editsub.

In this case, you will probably want to have the subscriber himself merge the two accounts. Instructions can be found as the last entry of this wiki page:?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Profile-and-Email-Address-and-Merging-Accounts

Also, as I understand it, this is a community help site, how do I request help from Groups.io employees working support?
You can send an email to [email protected]. However, GMF should continue to be your first stop for help. It makes no sense to bother support with an issue that can be readily answered by an experienced peer.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: Hiding contact info from others

 

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:17 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
For whatever reason the option is yet to be implemented; and if it's been added to the "to do" list, I'm not aware of it
I saw it on Mark¡¯s Trello board.

Patti


Re: Inhibit users from using "Delete message" #messages #issue #howto

 

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 06:46 AM, Raphael Vowles wrote:
Are you able to throw more light on the "discussions" and resurrect the development effort. Whom do i talk to to progress this?
I believe the most recent discussion is the one at

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Hello Again,

My group migrated from Yahoo fine. I have a member whose e-mail address has changed. I can go to the Admin, Members section of the group. I can open the members information page and I can enter his new e-mail address. When I click save at the bottom of the page, I get a message (in red) "That email address is already registered" and the e-mail address in the Email box reverts to the old e-mail address. The member is using the new w-mail address in our? club "test" group? How to I as Owner or Moderator change a members e-mail address in the migrated group? Going forward, how do members edit their own information? Also, as I understand it, this is a community help site, how do I request help from Groups.io employees working support? Thanks again loads.

Cheers,
Scott H.


New UI instructions?

 

Hi All.......
Is there anywhere, an already prepared set of instructions as to how a new user can navigate the Groups.io User Interface? ?This would be helpful for Owners to send out to members transferring over from Yahoo.

Tks,
Chuck


How to Import Links to database

 

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OK, I have had a bit of success,? by luck.

Briefly
  • I made a Links database and filled some rows manually,
  • Imported a .csv which gave me empty rows. ??
  • Then I edited the table properties and deleted the unused columns. (vague memory of having done that before)
  • Imported the .csv which gave me some Rows with data. But the fields contents are incorrect.

I'll try to give a full account when it is wright/Write/rite/right

ok,
Tony
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Re: Inhibit users from using "Delete message" #messages #issue #howto

 

Hi,

In addition to the EU Law (GDPR), with its famous "right to be forgotten", as well as the right to privacy, California is introducing a new privacy law (CCPA) as of 1 January 2020. It seems clear that CCPA does not apply to non-profits, which is probably the majority of the forums on Groups.io :-



The EU law has a wider application in terms of type of business, but only to personal information. I know that Groups.io was made GDPR compliant, according to statements made by the owner of Groups.io (after consulting lawyers) and you can read the relevant policy here :- /static/compliance

The good news is that businesses that are already GDPR compliant will have no issues with the new California Law (CCPA), according to this article :-



Given all of this legal activity in both the EU and the US, I would recommend that groups follow the spirit of the law (allow members to delete their own content, as well as their account), rather than invite disputes that can only be resolved by the courts, even if you think that you would win in court.

By the way, I am not a lawyer. Please consult a lawyer if you are not sure of your need to comply with any of these new laws - GDPR since May 2018 and CCPA in January 2020.

Regards

John Russell

[Mod Note: We will allow limited discussion of legal issues as they directly relate to groups.io features. If this escalates the topic will be locked.]


How to Import Links to database

 

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How do I Import a list of links from y!g to a Database ?

Done it before!
I have previously built/imported data for Links databases on three groups transfered from y!g to
Gio. OK. [ normally I will build a spreadsheet, Save As a .csv and Import ]

I can import a .csv into columns more or less successfully, but links are not clickable . ok .
I can build a database of clickable URLs manually, row by row. ok

I cannot now figure out how to Import data to fill a Links database.
Has something changed?
or have I lost the plot?

Tony

On 20 Nov 2019 at 15:18, Samuel Murray wrote about :
Subject : Re: [GMF] clickable links in databa

On 20 Nov 2019 15:01, Tony Moody wrote:

If the column is set to type Link the column seems to close up, disappear, ??
An idea: just above the green "+Add Row" button there are blue buttons
that represent the columns. Check if the button for the "links" column
is blue (active, visible), not grey.

Samuel


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Re: Inhibit users from using "Delete message" #messages #issue #howto

 

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 01:46 PM, Raphael Vowles wrote:
You have got the GDPR thing slightly wrong. GDPR requires the ability for a user to REQUEST removal of messages. It does not require users ability to remove messages personally.
I'm not sure how much of the GDPR angle is speculation, but either way: you're right in that GDPR may not require that users have the right to remove content personally. They do, however, have the right to request that Groups.io stop distributing it, and when they request it, the request must be met, unless there is a legally valid reason to deny the request.? So... if users can always request this, and if their requests always have to be met, then I think it's just common sense (from an administrative perspective) to give users that ability directly.? It reduces paperwork.

Samuel


Re: Inhibit users from using "Delete message" #messages #issue #howto

 

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:39 AM, Raphael Vowles wrote:
I am a moderator on a recently imported Yahoo Group, We don't allow "Delete Message" to regular members, Not even their own message.
I assume you mean that there was a setting in your Yahoogroups group that disallowed members from deleting messages.? Can you tell me where that option is?? I'm also a YG moderator, and I can't see such an option anywhere.

Samuel


Re: Inhibit users from using "Delete message" #messages #issue #howto

 

Sorry mate. You have got the GDPR thing slightly wrong. GDPR requires the ability for a user to REQUEST removal of messages. It does Not require users ability to remove messages personally.
?So that is the GDPR justification removed.

Are you able to throw more light on the "discussions" and resurrect the development effort. Whom do i talk to to progress this???


Re: Inhibit users from using "Delete message" #messages #issue #howto

 

Hey Frances. Ive just looked on beta. I see the More menu at the foot of all messages. What are you looking at?

You've got me confused. Are you telling me the option is available on beta. Is it coming. Do you even know??

This is vital.


Re: Inhibit users from using "Delete message" #messages #issue #howto

 

Here is a sample of the morr menu


Re: Help for a potential new Groups.io account #mailman

 

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 01:39 AM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
What format would the import use?
We can only speculate that it would probably be some variant of MBOX, but since no automated process exists yet to import from Mailman, it's anyone's guess what format Mark (Groups.io's main developer) will choose to support if and when he develops such a feature.? It would be best to wait until the [email protected]?address becomes responsive again.? Your request sounds like it's going to be a custom job.

How would the initial list subscriptions be imported??
For non-automated processes, the usual options are either (a) send invitations or (b) add directly.

For sending invitations, no premium membership is required.? You basically paste all addresses in the form on the web (all addresses at once), and press a button to submit, and Groups.io does the rest (you may wish to set up member notices beforehand, though).? For direct adding, you need at least a 1-month premium membership, but it works the same way: you paste all addresses in the form on the web, and press a button to submit them.

The automated process that is used with Yahoogroups imports the membership list automatically, but it's impossible to know if Mark will do that if he writes an automated process for Mailman, too.

Then of course what¡¯s the process for importing the list archives??
There is currently no manual option available for importing list archives.

Some groups have decided to make their archives available as text or HTML files in the Files section of the group, but that means that members can't search the archives unless they download them first.? In your situation, I'd suggest that you wait a month or two to see if you can get a reply from Mark.

Samuel


Re: Help for a potential new Groups.io account #mailman

 

Jenine,

The person I¡¯m working with has contacted the support link listed in
the groups.io documentation but has had no response back ...
At the moment, the surprise turmoil with Yahoo Groups is consuming most of support's resources, so that's probably why.


Has anyone imported larger Mailman lists and sublists with or without
archives?
I believe the answer to this is yes, but the last time I remember hearing about it was at least a year or two ago.

How would the initial list subscriptions be imported?
The easiest way would be with an upgrade to Premium, then you can paste (or upload) the entire address list into the Direct Add page.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Direct-Add-Members

Then of course what¡¯s the process for importing the list archives?
That's the trick. There is no user driven or automated way to do that from anything but a Yahoo Group (at the moment). The past references involved passing the message archive to support for import to the Groups.io group.

Which... is probably something that won't be entertained until the turmoil settles down.

What format would the import use?
For the archives, an mbox file containing the messages is the only format that's been mentioned.

I am happy to pass these responses on to him but is there a way he
could join this group?
As Frances said, there are no special requirements for joining GMF, and our messages and wiki are publicly readable so no subscription or account required to browse.

Shal


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Re: clickable links in database

 

Glenn B.,

I hope Groups.io is listening at some point. Sounds like several
related bugs.
Nope. GMF is purely user to user, no Groups.io employees here.

That said, I think we need to resolve whether there's a bug or just a misunderstanding, and if a bug clarify how to reproduce it, before reporting anything to support.

Shal


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