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Re: Searching for messages does not work

 

Be patient.
Dano

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From: Harm Selling <h.selling@...>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: 10/27/2019 3:32:03 AM
Subject: [GMF] Searching for messages does not work

I'm happy the transfer of my Yahoo group succeeded.
Everything seems tob e o.k., except the search function in the message base.

Searching consistently result in a message: "The search produced no results".

It looks like the message archive is not indexed.

What can I do to correct this? In a genealogical group a search option is essential.

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Re: Searching for messages does not work

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 09:57 AM, Harm Selling wrote:
What can I do to correct this?
Nothing; just sit and wait. See from Mark on beta.

Chris


Re: October 28th

 

Yes, wait and see what happens is all we can do. One of my groups currently being transferred is now at stage 3 (import to groups.io) with 420 groups ahead. The queue seems to be growing...

Dave


Searching for messages does not work

Harm Selling
 

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I'm happy the transfer of my Yahoo group succeeded.

Everything seems tob e o.k., except the search function in the message base.

Searching consistently result in a message: "The search produced no results".

It looks like the message archive is not indexed.


What can I do to correct this? In a genealogical group a search option is essential.

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Re: Locking/hiding group

 

y@es,

Is there some way of hiding a new Group from the public until after
the migration has completed?
No.

You can use the Visibility option to keep it out of the directory, but its home page would still be visible to anyone with the URL.

You can make the messages private (members only), but not if you intend them to be public later.

Shal


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Re: October 28th

 

Dave,

If I read Yahoo's statement correctly, from next Monday nobody will be
able to post online on Yahoogroups, nothing new will appear in the
archives, ...
I wonder if that is the case.

The help page uses the word "upload", but email postings are not usually referred to as "uploads". So I think there's a slim possibility that the Conversations section will continue to be updated by new postings, but that those postings can only be made by email.

This means that for those groups currently in the transfer process
only Yahoogroups messages posted before October 28th will be
transferred.
If indeed they stop updating Conversations on monday, then yes.

Of course what actually happens on Monday with Yahoo is anybody's
guess.
Exactly.

Shal


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Re: Fw: Data transfer - Yahoo to groups.io

 

Susan,

We want to start up with your service.
Be aware that GMF is a user-to-user help group. There are no Groups.io employees reading this group.

Without the owner/moderator of our Yahoo group we are unable to add
new members. This presents a huge problem with data transfer I
believe.
You are correct.

As a moderator you would need the "Invite and add members" privilege to invite the transfer agent to your group. Also, you need the "Add, remove, and change moderator privileges" privilege to promote the transfer agent to moderator.

But if the person who passed away was the only person with either the owner or moderator role, then I think you're stuck as far as using the Easy Group Transfer function is concerned.

I'll concur with flonafrank's recommendation of PG Offline. I've used it to capture archives of the Messages, Files, Photos, and Links in the Yahoo Groups I own. Even the ones that I've already transferred to Groups.io (why not, disk space is cheap and messages don't take that much room).

Once you have an archive of the content, even as a member, that preserves your options for the future. For example, it is possible for you to share a PG Offline archive among your board or even your members. They would need to download and run a copy of the program in order to read the archive, but they can do that using the Free trial, even once it has expired.

Shal


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Re: Yahoogroup challenge in migration

 

Skip,

Yahoo does not recognize (despite my ability to post to each of the
three) my email address nor my email.
In Yahoo (unlike Groups.io) your subscription to a group might not be associated with any account, or may be associated with an account unrelated to that email address.

Despite my ability to post to the three lists I have there (one owned
two other merely a member),
If you are receiving messages from the one you own, open a recent message and examine its header (the full header). If it is a Gmail interface use the Show Original menu command; in other interfaces this function is sometimes called View Source.

Scroll down in the header looking for a field that begins with:

X-Yahoo-Profile:

The parameter on that line is the Yahoo Profile associated with that subscription, and is what you need to enter into Yahoo's Sign In page. Never mind that it prompts you for an Email Address, that's a change that is newer than Yahoo Group's code. Enter exactly the profile found in the header.

Alas, that field isn't present in messages sent to the group -owner address, you need a message posted to the group.

and my ability to SEE those groups, I cannot log into Yahoo.
By "see" I assume you mean that you can access each group's home page, but without logging in can't access the members-only content or owner controls.

If, despite the above, you can't sign in to the named profile don't despair. As long as you can receive emails from the group there's a way to transfer your subscription to a new Yahoo account. Ask again if you need details on that.

Shal


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Re: you have reached the limit

 

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 09:31 PM, Matthew Johnson wrote:
I think the reason it causes consternation is because short of the notice that pops up, there is confusion as to whether or not your invitations have all disappeared, Perhap an immediate email explaining the process and an estimated delay time would be an easy way to assuage moderator and owner doubts as to whether their invitations have disappeared permanently.
Sending invitations is just one of many aspects of Yahoo Groups that has been unreliable for some time. If an invitation fails to go through, there is no way for groups.io to know that you've tried to send one, or simply changed your mind and decided not to use the Easy[?] Group Transfer process at all.

It is up to you, the group owner, to actually check the status page and confirm that the invitation has been received. If so, it will say so in no uncertain terms in the boxed message at the top of the page. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/19948?for instructions on how to check status.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: Newly Transferred Members Accessing the Group's Site

 

Linda,

The e-mail from groups.io to the transferees provides a link to the
group site. I gather that they're supposed to click that link ...
Correct. Or find their way by any other means to your group's Home page. Then scroll ...

to the bottom of that site page and click the green "Log In If You're
Already a Member" link. That will take them to the please log in page,
from which they should click on the "Forgot your password, or don't
have one yet" link.
Correct.

Then on the next page they can click on the "Send Log In Link" to
get their password e-mailed to them.
Close. The email contains a link, not a password. They click on that link and it logs them into the site.

At that point they can access the group's pages as a member. If they want, they can go to their Account page and set a password and/or various account preferences.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Logging-In

Is that right? I've tried it out though with a spare account that was
transferred over and no e-mail came to that account (or its spam
folder).
I'm not sure why not. One relatively common problem is making a typo in one's own email address when requesting a Log In Link. But other than that it should get to you.

Shal


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Re: you have reached the limit

 

I think he is talking about processing of invites.
When a large number of invites are sent, after 20, there is a manual review and rest are released. This is mechanism to control spam. The delay can be couple of minutes or couple of hours. After submitting, stay patient. When rest are released, you will get a msg.


On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 8:31 PM Matthew Johnson <matthew.bartlettstone@...> wrote:
I think the reason it causes consternation is because short of the notice that pops up, there is confusion as to whether or not your invitations have all disappeared, Perhap an immediate email explaining the process and an estimated delay time would be an easy way to assuage moderator and owner doubts as to whether their invitations have disappeared permanently.

Respectfully,
Matthew


Re: Is there a need for two owners?

 

Perhaps a new feature request (the request to be submitted to beta, probably in 2020) would be to promote a designated Moderator (or Moderators) to Owner, if no Owner has logged in 30 days (or some other defined time)...

On Oct 26, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Sharon Pohlman via Groups.Io <ceegee2006@...> wrote:

There are pros and cons for more than one. I see it all; the time in yahoo groups. PROS-The owner leaves ,dies,is hospitalized for a length of time whatever and who is left? A moderator that cannot do much of anything .This is happening in 2 groups I am a member of . No Owner and mod cant do much of anything another group owner died and no one is moderator
It is best to have at least one more owner that has all the tools you have . BUT there has to be a trust . And a moderator .
CONS- they take your group from you


Re: Obtaining your group data from Yahoo!Groups

 

It appears to contain files, pictures, messages, links and attachments sent by all members. Definitely worth a try to gather as much historical data as you can. I was the owner of the group. I also received files, links and messages from other groups in which I was a member, not an owner. It did not provide me with photos from these other groups.


Re: Invitations to subgroups

 

It appears to work. Several of the folks I invited were able to join the subgroup directly - and of course also got added to the parent group.

A couple for some reason didn't accept the invite and asked to join - but those came through as requests to join the parent group. After I approved those, I was able to direct-add them to the subgroup.

Su


Re: Hashtag search has no results

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Hi,

How long is "a bit" ?
I'm searching for messages sent more than 1h1/2 from now, either with the search or by #hashtag without success :
The search produced no results.

It's a pretty weird behavior, you click on the #hashtag next to a message and it can't find the message itself !


Re: yG Privacy Dashboard download #yahooprivacydashboard #ioimportpl

 


In response to my noting that Yahoo advised that it would be 30 days before
Dashboard download would take place, Don suggested:

You can use PG Offline to do that.

Well, not exactly.? I used PGO to download the 14 Links of a small group, and got only
the names of the links, not even the URLs.? I did it only to see what happened before
I tried PGO for a much larger group.? Copy and paste will serve my needs far better!


Re: Is there a uitlity/test/browse/practice group?

 

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Christos -
One risk to this is that members may set up an account with a totally different email address than their Y! account. Then, after the transfer has duplicated their account names from Yahoo, they may try to sign in with their new accounts?and be confused with having to sign on as their old Y! identities instead?and then change them. Those that are members of groups.io already will hopefully understand, but it might be simpler for the new folks without identities to use their original account and then modify it after the transfer.
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Just something to ponder. I found that a lot of people never changed anything - they used the group from email and didn't use the web interface. All they had to do was change the address they sent messages to.?Making them use the web to 'familiarize' themselves might have simply pushed them away.
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Dano
(Yes, we've met on one of your groups :-) )
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> We will be initiating our groups' transfers soon, and in the meantime I want to nudge the users to go ahead and create their GIO account, and also browse around using the?browser interface, join a group and get some experience using the web interface.? Obviously I don't want them to join our relocated groups yet, first because they are currently empty, plus I don't want folks getting in and start sending messages, uploading files, etc, not anyway until the transfer takes place and is done.
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Re: Ripped off or not downunder

 
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There was a message from Mark that he would refund to anyone not happy. No one is trying to rip off and Mark is working hard to keep up with the onslaught of requests to move groups from Y!G to GIO. It is taking time no matter where you are in the universe. Keep patient and the move will take place.
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On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 8:40 PM Ray Robinson <ray.robinson@...> wrote:

I have a group that has been at "step 3 of 4" since last Tuesday.? We're currently at #158 in the queue (157 ahead of us).
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Sent:?Saturday, October 26, 2019 at 6:17 PM
From:?"John B via Groups.Io" <zeissnut=[email protected]>
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [GMF] Ripped off or not downunder
I'm in USA and about the same situation.? One of my groups made it to "Step 3 of 4" but in ~2 days we've gone from #326 in the wait queue to #311 in the queue.? Two of my groups have been stuck at "Step 1 of 4" for about 3 days (like yours).? I think this is just going to take a long time.? Good luck to all...

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Re: [email protected] isn't a member of my Yahoo group

 


Re: Is there a need for two owners?

 
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It is good insurance to have multiple owners so that in worst case scenario the list does not become an orphan.
Giving ownership rights is a critical decision and you need to have 100% trust in the person. I am a moderator
of a group from 1995 and we always had at least two owners. After moving the list to GIO we know have three
owners and your can trust your life with each. Every group should address this issue now and make sure multiple
backup owners are there to protect long term survivability of the group.
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On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 8:19 PM SP4149 <ken@...> wrote:

With the demise of YahooGroups many lists are discovering how much a missing owner impacts the future of a list.

To transfer a list from YG at least a full moderator or an owner is needed.? However YG had changed moderator levels and responsibilities.

Last year I tried to transfer a list with an absent owner but found that even though I had been a moderator for 17 years I did not have the authority.

My moderator status had not been upgraded during YG changes.? The list had 1800 members, an absentee owner and two moderators on YG.

The other moderator and I moved the list to January 2018, and then this summer the other moderator was killed in a traffic accident.? It is a very active list

so I have added two full moderators so the list can continue without me.? If you have a large, active, popular list; a co-owner or a full feature moderator

is a wise precaution.? But I know of other list owners who prefer the list to die with them.? Your call...

ken clark


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