Re: moving a message to a different subgroup

#1992

There's not a way to do it.  There has been some discussion on the beta group in the past, but as far as I remember, there are no plans to add it.

Duane

moving a message to a different subgroup

Chris Laska

#1991

I looked and tried but cant figure out how to move an message post to a more appropriate subgroup. Please can you tell me how to do this ?

is a "confirmation" message sent out?

J_Catlady

#1990

I just had a pending (now new) member claim that they received a "welcome message" and then tried to send a message to the group, but that the message was rejected saying they were not yet a member.

The order appearing in the logs is normal, except for (2):?

(1) applied for membership?
(2) attempted to send message to group (before having been approved)
(3) sent owner message (which is our questionnaire)?
(4) was approved?

It seems that possibly, immediately after (1), the person got the idea that their membership was approved, when actually only their confirmation as a groups.io member was verified. So is there some sort of message that goes out to them once they click on "confirm"? If so, does anyone know what that message says? I'm wondering about the wording of such a message, if it exists, and if it could possibly be clarified. If so, I'll post to this about beta. I'm just not sure whether the member herself was confused, or whether there's a "confirmation" message that itself is confusing.

J

Re: Making [email protected] a YahooGroups moderator

#1989

ken,

I have just the one member profile and a green crown.Then you are a moderator.

When I put the cursor over my name on Yahoo Groups Management
function it now shows me as 'owner' with a green crown,I'd forgotten about that. That's a bug that's been present a couple of years now. I see "Owner" as the hover text on both blue and green crowns. Whatever the text says, blue is Owner, green is Moderator. I don't think any actual status or privilege changes have occurred on a system-wide basis.


The list owner has been inactive for the last ten years, leaving the
two moderators to run the list.
... my status changed overnight. Yesterday I had the privileges to
make [email protected] a moderator.If that's true, and you don't now, perhaps the other moderator has the privilege and removed it from you. If that happened it would either be an oddly coincident accident or an aggressive move indicating a disagreement of some kind.

Look in the Moderator Activity tab of the group's Activity Log for "Privileges changed" entries. Or put your email address in the search box to see anything related to you.

By the way, I'm not trying to say that you're not seeing what you're seeing; but I've seen no evidence lately that anyone at Yahoo/Oath/Verizon is paying any attention to Yahoo Groups, so I'm skeptical of claims that the code has been recently changed - and especially skeptical of claims of intent. So, to me, the more likely answer is that something else accounts for what you're seeing.

Shal

Re: Making [email protected] a YahooGroups moderator

#1988

Shal,
  I've never been listed as Owner before and I have just the one member profile and a green crown.  Today
I've asked the list owner to make me a co-owner.  When I put the cursor over my name on Yahoo Groups
Management function it now shows me as 'owner' with a green crown, this never happened before,
my status changed overnight. Yesterday I had the privileges to make [email protected] a moderator.
The list owner has been inactive for the last ten years, leaving the two moderators to run the list.

ken

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On 2017-07-07 12:13, Shal Farley wrote:
Default,

Also YahooGroups now shows me as Owner as well as Moderator on some
screens.That likely means that you have more than one membership in the group,
at least one as moderator and one as owner.
When visiting the group's pages click on the "Membership" drop-down
and see if you are listed with a blue owner crown or green moderator
crown. If that display is a fly-out you can switch between
memberships. Pick a blue-crown membership.
If that drop-down shows only a single membership, and it is not a
blue-crown owner, you may need to sign out and sign in under a
different account, one that has owner privileges. Before signing out
look in the Moderators tab of the Manage Members list to see what
other "Yahoo Profiles" (aka accounts) you have as members of this
group.

Today ... I went into Edit Profile and I no longer can change the
*Role* of any member.As a moderator you may not have that privilege. Any owner has it, and
can give that privilege to moderators, but many owners don't give it
to moderators, or give it only to select few, because the privilege to
"Add, remove, and change moderator privileges" gives the moderator
power second only to the owner role.

YahooGroups is making changes, likely to prevent group transfers.I think it is more likely, given that you have both moderator and
owner memberhips, that you were accessing the group with the wrong
one, and that nothing has actually changed on the Yahoo side.
Shal

Re: Making [email protected] a YahooGroups moderator

#1987

Default,

Also YahooGroups now shows me as Owner as well as Moderator on some
screens.That likely means that you have more than one membership in the group, at least one as moderator and one as owner.

When visiting the group's pages click on the "Membership" drop-down and see if you are listed with a blue owner crown or green moderator crown. If that display is a fly-out you can switch between memberships. Pick a blue-crown membership.

If that drop-down shows only a single membership, and it is not a blue-crown owner, you may need to sign out and sign in under a different account, one that has owner privileges. Before signing out look in the Moderators tab of the Manage Members list to see what other "Yahoo Profiles" (aka accounts) you have as members of this group.

Today ... I went into Edit Profile and I no longer can change the
*Role* of any member.As a moderator you may not have that privilege. Any owner has it, and can give that privilege to moderators, but many owners don't give it to moderators, or give it only to select few, because the privilege to "Add, remove, and change moderator privileges" gives the moderator power second only to the owner role.

YahooGroups is making changes, likely to prevent group transfers.I think it is more likely, given that you have both moderator and owner memberhips, that you were accessing the group with the wrong one, and that nothing has actually changed on the Yahoo side.

Shal

Re: Making [email protected] a YahooGroups moderator

#1986

i will ask around, but we made a successful group transfer of a very large mailing list to groups.io, so this must be a very new thing ..

servus

markus

Am 07.07.2017 um 20:44 schrieb Default:

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Yesterday, I invited [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> as a new member. I read the instructions that [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> had to be given moderator privileges.
I went in YahooGroups and saw that I had to do was use Edit Profile, click on Role and change that to Moderator.
Today after [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> joined I went into Edit Profile and I no longer can change the*Role* of any member.
The function is now disabled and I can't make [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> a moderator.
I have been the moderator of this group for 15 years so losing moderator privileges was a surprise.
Also YahooGroups now shows me as Owner as well as Moderator on some screens.  YahooGroups is making changes,
likely to prevent group transfers.  Suggestions appreciated.

-- 
Email from my mobile connection.

Making [email protected] a YahooGroups moderator

#1985

Yesterday, I invited?[email protected]?as a new member. I read the instructions that?[email protected]?had to be given moderator privileges.
I went in YahooGroups and saw that I had to do was use Edit Profile, click on Role and change that to Moderator.
Today after?[email protected]?joined I went into Edit Profile and I no longer can change the Role of any member.
The function is now disabled and I can't make?[email protected]?a moderator.
I have been the moderator of this group for 15 years so losing moderator privileges was a surprise.
Also YahooGroups now shows me as Owner as well as Moderator on some screens. ?YahooGroups is making changes,
likely to prevent group transfers. ?Suggestions appreciated.

Re: Reply links and Thunderbird

#1984

Noel,

The user has suggested a new message delivery option he would prefer,
a form of digest where it only sends emails once a day or so (as with
the digest), sorted by thread, but as individual emails not a single
digest email.He could set a filter in Thunderbird to automatically move incoming group messages to a separate folder. I have one named In-GMF, some for a few select other groups, and an In-Lists for all the rest. That makes it easy to defer reading list messages until a convenient time. There is also the sort by thread function in Thunderbird itself to assist with that.

That said, the Groups.io suggestion box is the beta group - no one from Groups.io monitors GMF messages. beta@ is an unrestricted group so you can expect any suggestion there to receive comments from other interested users.

Shal

Re: Reply links and Thunderbird

#1983

Noel,

is having to right click to reply a bug?I think it must be a missed setting in his OS or in Thunderbird. In mine those links immediately pop open a compose window when clicked.

It may be that the user's OS configuration doesn't identify Thunderbird as the default email program, causing the mailto: links to attempt to open some other application, or maybe no application.

Shal

Re: Can I delete a group and recreate it with the same name?

#1982

开云体育

> This seems like a big loophole around Mark's intention of not allowing reuse of a group name for a significant period of time after a group has been closed. Maybe it should be reported to him.

You could prevent reuse by creating the old group again then deleting it after renaming a group.

?

Noel

Re: Can I delete a group and recreate it with the same name?

#1981

J,

[Renaming the "old" one] seems like a big loophole around Mark's
intention of not allowing reuse of a group name for a significant
period of time after a group has been closed.I think it is a desired feature more than a loophole.

If a group wants to rename itself yet block access to their old name they can always create a new group under the old name. In fact I'd usually advise doing that as a place to hang a "We've moved" notice.

An even better feature would be if the rename reserved the old name for a limited time (a day maybe), making it available during that time only to the user that performed rename. That way there wouldn't be any "window of opportunity" for someone else to swoop in and take the name.

Shal

Re: Can an entire group, not just a topic, be locked?

#1980

Hi,

The closest is setting the group to moderated, which means all posts must be approved by moderators.

Cheers,

Joseph

[mod note: see also the Announcement Group checkbox in
?the?Spam Control section of the group's Settings page.]

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From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:36 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Can an entire group, not just a topic, be locked?

?

This is a situation I'd not even considered before it came up elsewhere, and I know of no mechanism to do so, but suspect it exists. ? It may be an "owner only" sort of control, it may be somewhere I haven't looked, or it may not exist at all.

Insights appreciated.
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Re: Reply links and Thunderbird

#1979

Thanks for your post.

The user's other option is to use the View/Reply Online link instead, andcompose the reply using the group's web page rather than Thunderbird.

His root problem is that clicking on these links does nothing. Could he have
set something to disable links?  He was able to reply by right clicking on
the link which causes a menu to appear (presumably from Thunderbird) with a
"compose message to" option.

Noel

Re: Can I delete a group and recreate it with the same name?

J_Catlady

#1978

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 02:55 pm, Jeff Kane wrote:

Renaming the "old" one and creating a new one with the old name worked.

This seems like a big loophole around Mark's intention of not allowing reuse of a group name for a significant period of time after a group has been closed. Maybe it should be reported to him.

J

Re: Can I delete a group and recreate it with the same name?

#1977

That was easy!? :-)

Thanks for all the ideas.? Renaming the "old" one and creating a new one with the old name worked.? Easy enough.

Can an entire group, not just a topic, be locked?

Brian Vogel

#1976

This is a situation I'd not even considered before it came up elsewhere, and I know of no mechanism to do so, but suspect it exists. ? It may be an "owner only" sort of control, it may be somewhere I haven't looked, or it may not exist at all.

Insights appreciated.
--
Brian??-?Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.447
I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
? ??~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's?

? ? ? ? ? ? Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe

Re: Reply links and Thunderbird

#1975

Noel,

a) provides no quoting contextThat's true. It has been discussed in beta@ but is difficult given that various email user interfaces behave differently with mailto: links.

Some don't support a "body" parameter (which would be needed to provide a quote of the original), and even where that is supported it could only be the whole original message - or a predetermined snippet of it - there's no mechanism to tell Thunderbird (or any other email interface) to place selected text from the current message into the new message composition.

b) uses the wrong (default) persona for the replyThat is also true. The mailto: link functions as a "New Message" command, not a "Reply" command. So there is no context Thunderbird can use to apply the correct persona; the user must manually correct the "From" address in the message composition window.

The original user was replying to a digest so the option to reply
directly will not be available.Correct.

The user's other option is to use the View/Reply Online link instead, and compose the reply using the group's web page rather than Thunderbird.

Shal

Re: Can I delete a group and recreate it with the same name?

#1974

Jeff,

I have no messages nor members yet.  I didn't mean to make the
messages private. DOH! If I delete the group, can I recreate it again
with the same name, or does that name get locked out or something
like that?As the other replies have implied, the deleted group's name is permanently marked as "used".

The DIY approach to this would be to rename the group rather than delete it. Rename doesn't leave the old name reserved. Immediately create a new group under the old name. Then you can have both groups open side-by-side in two browser windows while you copy settings and other content from the renamed group to the new group. Except don't copy the Privacy setting... ;-)

If you decide to rename the group, I suggest picking a gibberish name that no one would ever want (e.g. mash your fingers on the keyboard a few times). After you have your new group settled you can delete the renamed one, or not, at your leisure.

If you're patient you can try J's suggestion: ask [email protected] to change the setting for you. Explain the circumstances and there's a good chance it will get done... in a few days (there may be a backlog at support right now).

I'd actually like it if you'd ask support to do this. Being able to do it on your own (under your circumstances) is on the Groups.io To-Do list, and maybe your request will prompt some progress on the feature:

Shal

Re: Can I delete a group and recreate it with the same name?

J_Catlady

#1973

p.s. Do it fast, before you get any members. Also, Mark is on vacation (or his version of one) so his response might be delayed.

J

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On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:39 AM, J_Olivia Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

You can't go from private archives to public archives. I'd just email Mark in this case, since there are no members yet. He's very accomodating.
J

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
Hi Jeff,

What about going to Settings for your group and changing Privacy settings?
I believe you can't re-use the same group name if you delete your group.
However, there is a message from Shal saying that you could ask Mark to free up the name. (I used the new search and it found it! Hurrah!)
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/1557

Frances