Could I get a sanity check on why groups.io originally decided to use the +owner convention instead of the -owner one used with Y!G?

I seem to recall it was pretty convoluted, along the lines of:

-- Groups.io wanted to support subgroups (whereas Yahoo Groups does not)
-- Subgroups are implemented via subdomain addressing
-- Hostnames cannot have an underscore, thus
-- We need to use hyphens instead if we want to create a compound subgroup name
-- With the hyphen usurped for another purpose, the plus (+) sign was implemented for +owner messages

Is that pretty close, or did I dream all that?

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PeterL:
Don't celebrate yet. All I have managed to do at BT is to get the moderators to refer the problem to their email team. I have not yet heard back from them, so I don't know if they are doing anything.
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PeterM

Bill,

What is the procedure for changing out the Groups-IO Manager of a
group.

What Bruce said.

The group can have more than one owner, so you could stay on as an owner indefinitely while the new guy "learns the ropes".

In fact staying on as a backup owner is a common recommendation -- a group may have two or more individuals designated with the Owner role, just in case one becomes unexpectedly incapacitated. That will allow the remaining owner(s) to carry on, and promote a replacement as needed.

Shal


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The two members missing from the Directory list both replied to an invitation by me, the owner. ?One shows an "unconfirmed" symbol, the other ?does not. I have not received requests for confirmation as I did with the remaining members and there's nothing visible anywhere that allows me to do that. Suggestions? ?Thanks.

Congratulations, Peter, on getting BT to do anything.? I've never managed it.? Your suggestions seem eminently sensible.? Yahoo (for what it is worth) use the form <group>-owner and I never heard of a problem.

The other Peter.

I have raised this problem on BT's community user forum, showing them the two Received: lines quoted by Shal from Trista.? I have now managed to get them to raise it from the forum to their email team, but that was a few days ago ...

Although RFC 2821 says "don't mess with the "local part" of the destination email address", and the + sign is listed in another RFC as being a legal character in a local part, there are suggestions around that a + in an email address isn't a good idea and there ARE hosts (not just the ones we have found) that don't like + signs and will remove any they find passing through.

I can see a sequence of actions that groups.io could follow to change from a + to some other character, for example a dot, without risking unwanted side-effects.? Dots are well-established as separators within local parts and should be well behaved. So the +owner command could be replaced by the email address [email protected] or perhaps [email protected] Similarly with the other email commands.

1) Introduce, in the process that currently parses the local part of incoming emails, an ADDITIONAL process that accepts a dot as an identifier of an email command which is currently identified by a +. This process should merely log the detection of a dot and do nothing else.

2) Introduce this feature without announcement and leave it running for a while.? Check that the above log doesn't collect anything nasty.

3) Swap the above log operation to one which implements the existing email commands (.i.e. those operations currently identified by a +).

4) Inform the beta test group and get them to try and break it.? If they don't, then ...

5) Announce the change and update the documentation, but leave the + versions in place.? Users would migrate to the new form eventually.

6) Eventually remove the + version, replacing it with a message directing the user to the documentation.

7) Later still, remove even that message and ignore the + version.

I am not a network programmer (my field is DSP) but I would like to urge groups.io to consider something like this.? My intuition tells me that this problem may not be limited to btinternet.com/synchronoss.net, and we may never convince the entire internet that they are doing it wrong.? groups.io users are a tiny minority.

Regards
Peter

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 04:00 PM, Sandy V wrote:

Each person can edit their own posts from the groups.io site.

Well, maybe...

Members' ability to edit their own posts is dependent on Settings > Message Policies >? Disable Editing Messages not being checked. If checked, members cannot edit their own messages, although the ability to delete them remains.

Chris

Each person can edit their own posts from the groups.io site. Under the message there are 3 bars by the word "More." When that is selected, "Edit Message" is an option about half-way down the list. After choosing that, they can correct the message.
Below the corrected message they can choose from two blue buttons - "Save and Send to Group," or "Save Without Sending." In the second case, the changed message will remain on the groups.io site rather than the original message, but no new one will be sent out. If it's a crucial change, they can choose the Send to Group option.
~Sandy


[Mod note: As Bruce replied, the Save Without Sending button is available only to mods/owners]

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 08:52 AM, Eric di Domenico wrote:

Is there a way to allow users to edit a post without the edit being sent to everyone?

Eric -- By design, only Owners and Moderators with the "edit archives" permission are allowed to do this.?

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On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 08:36 AM, Bill Carns wrote:

What is the procedure for changing out the Groups-IO Manager of a group.

Bill -- Go to Admin>Members and find the subscriber's record that you want to promote. Pull down the Role menu and select Owner. Click the Save button at the bottom of the page.

Repeat for your own member record, selecting Member instead of Owner.

Hope this helps,
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On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 03:37 AM, Peter Martinez wrote:

I can see a sequence of actions that groups.io could follow

I think you're trying to solve a problem that shouldn't exist.? The whole point of RFCs and other standards is so that all services "play nicely together."

BTW, no one from Groups.io management monitors this group.? You could try submitting your suggestion on the (official suggestion box of the site), but I wouldn't expect any changes.

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I have raised this problem on BT's community user forum, showing them the two Received: lines quoted by Shal from Trista. I have now managed to get them to raise it from the forum to their email team, but that was a few days ago ...

Although RFC 2821 says "don't mess with the "local part" of the destination email address", and the + sign is listed in another RFC as being a legal character in a local part, there are suggestions around that a + in an email address isn't a good idea and there ARE hosts (not just the ones we have found) that don't like + signs and will remove any they find passing through.

I can see a sequence of actions that groups.io could follow to change from a + to some other character, for example a dot, without risking unwanted side-effects. Dots are well-established as separators within local parts and should be well behaved. So the +owner command could be replaced by the email address [email protected] or perhaps [email protected] Similarly with the other email commands.

1) Introduce, in the process that currently parses the local part of incoming emails, an ADDITIONAL process that accepts a dot as an identifier of an email command which is currently identified by a +. This process should merely log the detection of a dot and do nothing else.

2) Introduce this feature without announcement and leave it running for a while. Check that the above log doesn't collect anything nasty.

3) Swap the above log operation to one which implements the existing email commands (.i.e. those operations currently identified by a +).

4) Inform the beta test group and get them to try and break it. If they don't, then ...

5) Announce the change and update the documentation, but leave the + versions in place. Users would migrate to the new form eventually.

6) Eventually remove the + version, replacing it with a message directing the user to the documentation.

7) Later still, remove even that message and ignore the + version.

I am not a network programmer (my field is DSP) but I would like to urge groups.io to consider something like this. My intuition tells me that this problem may not be limited to btinternet.com/synchronoss.net, and we may never convince the entire internet that they are doing it wrong. groups.io users are a tiny minority.

Regards
Peter

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 09:57 PM, Anne =^..^= wrote:

Couldn't figure out how to freeze a topic.

On the web UI go to Topics view. Identify the thread / topic you want to freeze - or more correctly Lock - and find the arrow in the grey box just to the right of the date.

Click on the arrow, and then click on Lock Topic.

Job done.

Chris

A conversation on one of the groups I own has gone on much too long, and I would like to turn off further comments.? COuldn't figure out how to freeze a topic.? I know there is a way? but can't find it.

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 09:54 AM, Karen Yun-Lutz wrote:

"The calendar in groups.io needs to be re-set for Eastern Standard Time – it’s currently showing Los Angeles time."

Each member also has a separate setting for the Calendar, in addition to the one previously mentioned for their account.? They can change it by choosing it at the bottom of the Calendar page.? It's automatically saved as soon as it's changed.

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Thank you Shal and Chris!

I'll get that timezone set up before other members join and notify existing members about what needs to be done.?

Karen