Bruce, the problem which was irking me is that when I select a photo to delete, that particular photo doesn¡¯t open up, it is the next one? or the one after which opens and I have to use the white ¡°back arrow¡± at the side to get to the one I want. Your reply addresses the part of my original queries about the blank grey square after deletion, thanks for that. The main query in my email was about the ¡°edited on¡¡± notice at the bottom of the emails. Thanks Win ? ?
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Subject: Re: [GMF] re deleting photos ? On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:36 AM, WBennett wrote: Back at the end of May we had a discussion about my problem when deleting photos, that the one I clicked to select didn¡¯t open up, but the next one or even further along opened instead. I hoped at the time it was a temporary glitch but I just tried again and it is exactly the same, so I have sent it on to Mark.
It's not a temporary glitch.
Your browser is caching the thumbnail page, and is therefore displaying a [nonexistent] thumbnail of the image you just deleted.?Try refreshing that page (ctrl-F5) before selecting the next image to delete.
Groups.io can force that page to load from server every time -- which should fix your problem -- but that also means that it will take a performance hit for everyone who is NOT attempting to delete any photos. Which approach is the lesser of two evils is difficult to say.
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Re: Upgrading from a Free account to the next level paid account
#howto
An owner of my group tried to upgrade our group however an warning popped up saying they are not a "payor"
Any group owner ought to be able to upgrade the group.
First check that he/she is logged in with an owner's email address. When on one of the group's web pages have him/her look at the Home button at the top of the left column and verify that there is a light blue Owner badge there.
Then select the Upgrade page from the Admin list of pages
Then click the View/Change Plan button. From there it should be a matter of choosing a plan and clicking the Upgrade button for that plan.
Then enter the payment details and click Upgrade Your Group:
I'm not sure how he/she could get to a spot that warns about not being a payor. He/she should try the steps above, and report back if it goes wrong, and at what step.
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Re: FAIL: email posting to group
OK, then...? A reply from the OP >? Mark was on vacation last week, it is possible he hasn't caught up.?
Mark may be my best bet -- if he has Network Admin responsibilities.
>? ?groups.io servers are hosted by Linode. Your VPS provider firewalled Linode's IP-address
>? ?range including [45.79.81.153]. Ask your VPS support why, not groups.io's.
Nope.? My ISP has checked and re-checked.? Anyway, as I stated originally, I receive?ALL?
messages to my group (and, now, this group) via email.
>? Something as simple as having the SPF records set up wrong for the new server would
>? likely cause more visible problems sending to other destinations.
Again - nope.? I know my ISP/web host/VPS host to be anal about such details.
As I stated originally, my ISP has had?NO?issues with email across his customer base.
The latest input from my ISP on this matter:
>? I can access their [groups.io] mail server from the firewalls which are on a different network.
>? I cannot access it from 45.13.64.0/23 at all. Even with the firewalls turned off.
>? It's something on their end, or in between, or perhaps at the Linode network level.
I'm going to do some low level testing via telnet to port 25 in to the groups.io MTA from....
? -? first my vps (in the?45.13.66.0/23 CIDR)
? -? second from my workstation (on Comcast's 71.205.0.0/16 CIDR)
... and report back.? Real Soon Now.
Jonesy
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On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:36 AM, WBennett wrote:
Back at the end of May we had a discussion about my problem when deleting photos, that the one I clicked to select didn¡¯t open up, but the next one or even further along opened instead.
I hoped at the time it was a temporary glitch but I just tried again and it is exactly the same, so I have sent it on to Mark.
It's not a temporary glitch. Your browser is caching the thumbnail page, and is therefore displaying a [nonexistent] thumbnail of the image you just deleted.?Try refreshing that page (ctrl-F5) before selecting the next image to delete. Groups.io can force that page to load from server every time -- which should fix your problem -- but that also means that it will take a performance hit for everyone who is NOT attempting to delete any photos. Which approach is the lesser of two evils is difficult to say. ? Regards, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: Replying From the Owner Email
I can do that myself (spoof an email address) but only with my ISP
email. I tried it with some webmail accounts and it didn't work for
me.
Using a Thunderbird account, with the SMTP settings matching my normal email address (and the POP/IMAP settings blank, and all checking turned off) is a technique I used to use when Verizon was my ISP. They'd let me spoof any From address except another Verizon address (those they'd reject back to me). Ah, simpler times.
These days I think it is very much a Your Mileage May Vary situation, depending on the policies of your email service as to whether they'll let you use a From address other than the one assigned to your account. And of course, as I mentioned in my reply to Marcio, depending on the policies of the receiving email service with regard to delivery of spoofed messages.
Clearly using Groups.io's web interface is the better option, if you can (that is, if the message you're replying to was from a member).?
Shal
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Re: Replying From the Owner Email
So your suggestion of setting up an account with Thunderbird in the name of group+owner seems like a good idea that should work.
The kind of "account" I'm referring to is something you set up on the Accounts and Import tab of the options page of Gmail's web interface. There's a Send mail as field where you can add more addresses. It doesn't create a new email address or inbox, just an ability to use that address when sending messages via Gmail's server. It has been too long since I've done it, I don't recall if or how it coordinates with Thunderbird.
In Yahoo Mail it is in the Mailboxes tab of the More Settings page, under Send-only email address. I have one setup there as the +owner address of , which I think I've used in the past year. But
I only use that Yahoo Mail account for testing purposes and
I don't have it set up in Thunderbird.
Shal
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Re: Replying From the Owner Email
Peter . . . On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 20:57:29 +0000, "P H LLOYD via Groups.Io" <lx.lloyd@...> wrote: Technically spoofing I know, but I have done what I think you are trying to do in Thunderbird going out through btinternet.com.
Using a private group I set up for testing things, I sent a test message which came back to my inbox. I Replyed to that but changed the From address to <mygroup>+owner and it arrived in my inbox as though from the owner. I can do that myself (spoof an email address) but only with my ISP email. I tried it with some webmail accounts and it didn't work for me. I was able to successfully spoof the email address of a moderator in one of my Yahoo groups (which moved to here since then). It appeared to come from him. (It was done with his knowledge.) Donald AD8DY ---------------------------------------------------- Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion group on Groups.io: /g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly) **also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health: /g/CatVet (just launched)
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Re: Replying From the Owner Email
Marcio,
Technically spoofing I know, but I have done what I think you are trying to do in Thunderbird going out through btinternet.com.?
Using a private group I set up for testing things, I sent a test message which came back to my inbox.? I Replyed to that but changed the From address to <mygroup>+owner and it arrived in my inbox as though from the owner.??
I think that achieves what you want.
Peter
On 08/08/2019 16:12, Shal Farley wrote:
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Here's the problem. Using Thunderbird, apparently I can't answer with something different than my own email. So is there a way of doing it?
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What Chris said about using the activity log entry is only true of +owner messages from members. Those from non-members are logged, but without a stored copy of the message that you could reply to.
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What I often do is reply from Thunderbird using my own email address, but set a "Reply-To" field with the group's +owner address. You can do that in the same way you add a CC or BCC address.
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Depending on your email service, you may be able to create an "account" within your email address which has the group's +owner email address. With Gmail or Yahoo Mail you'll be required to prove that you are authorized to use that address - they'll send a confirmation email to it. That could startle your co-owners/mods, so you might want to warn them if you attempt this.
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I've stopped using this technique though because it is technically "spoofing" (even if legitimately done) and many email services are getting very touchy about displaying or even delivering spoofed messages to their users. So while this worked perfectly in a less paranoid world, it may not work so well now. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if Gmail or Yahoo still allows you to set up such a spoof.
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Re: Approve and unmoderate senders not working
A couple of other things occurred to me. There is a check box which must be checked for the action "Approve and Unmoderate" to take place.
The other is that this might have been a message allowed by your integration, but all of those are moderated. You can approve them, but not unmoderate them.
Cacky
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On 8/8/2019 3:40 PM, Duane wrote: Check your group Settings page.?? If you have Spam Policies set to Moderated, this will happen.?? It could also be that the message has a hashtag that is set to moderated.
Duane
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Approve and unmoderate senders not working
Hi all,
I have chosen "Approve and unmoderate sender" multiple times for posts send by me to one of my lists, and yet messages from me are still held as pending until I approve them.? Anyone know what might be causing this?? I am not using Facebook, and that's the only other reference to this issue that I've seen in the forum.? Thanks.
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Re: Replying From the Owner Email
On 8/8/2019 8:23 AM, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote: Here's the problem. Using Thunderbird, apparently I can't answer with something different than my own email. Thunderbird can handle multiple different email accounts. If you have more than one account set up, when composing a reply there's a dropdown in the From field in the compose window and there you can choose any of your accounts. -- Bill
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Re: Upgrading from a Free account to the next level paid account
#howto
An owner of my group tried to upgrade our group however an warning popped up saying they are not a "payor"
I set a group up for my son's school and the office wants to pay for an upgrade.
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Re: Replying From the Owner Email
You may be right there, Shal.?? I tried altering the From address on a reply I sent to Marcio.? Thunderbird allowed me to do it, but it doesn't seem to have arrived.? It is spoofing after all.? However I have done it successfully using a different address known to Thunderbird and that has gone through OK.? So your suggestion of setting up an account with Thunderbird in the name of group+owner seems like a good idea that should work.
Peter
On 08/08/2019 16:12, Shal Farley wrote:
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Here's the problem. Using Thunderbird, apparently I can't answer with something different than my own email. So is there a way of doing it?
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What Chris said about using the activity log entry is only true of +owner messages from members. Those from non-members are logged, but without a stored copy of the message that you could reply to.
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What I often do is reply from Thunderbird using my own email address, but set a "Reply-To" field with the group's +owner address. You can do that in the same way you add a CC or BCC address.
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Depending on your email service, you may be able to create an "account" within your email address which has the group's +owner email address. With Gmail or Yahoo Mail you'll be required to prove that you are authorized to use that address - they'll send a confirmation email to it. That could startle your co-owners/mods, so you might want to warn them if you attempt this.
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I've stopped using this technique though because it is technically "spoofing" (even if legitimately done) and many email services are getting very touchy about displaying or even delivering spoofed messages to their users. So while this worked perfectly in a less paranoid world, it may not work so well now. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if Gmail or Yahoo still allows you to set up such a spoof.
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Shal
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I have noted that various members of our group and one pending member have '? attempted to send messages...' but they've not been received - either by email or in Topics.
For the pending member the reason is clear: he/she is not (yet) a member. For the others the reason should be stated in the Activity log as part of the "attempted to send" entry.
If their attempts are listed as Non-member then most likely they sent from an email address that is different than the one subscribed to your group.
? This has only occurred over the last two or three days and I wonder if something is wrong?
If there were you probably wouldn't have log entries to show for their attempts.
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Re: Replying From the Owner Email
Here's the problem. Using Thunderbird, apparently I can't answer
with something different than my own email. So is there a way of
doing it?
What Chris said about using the activity log entry is only true of +owner messages from members. Those from non-members are logged, but without a stored copy of the message that you could reply to.
What I often do is reply from Thunderbird using my own email address, but set a "Reply-To" field with the group's +owner address. You can do that in the same way you add a CC or BCC address.
Depending on your email service, you may be able to create an "account" within your email address which has the group's +owner email address. With Gmail or Yahoo Mail you'll be required to prove that you are authorized to use that address - they'll send a confirmation email to it. That could startle your co-owners/mods, so you might want to warn them if you attempt this.
I've stopped using this technique though because it is technically "spoofing" (even if legitimately done) and many email services are getting very touchy about displaying or even delivering spoofed messages to their users. So while this worked perfectly in a less paranoid world, it may not work so well now. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if Gmail or Yahoo still allows you to set up such a spoof.
Shal
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Back at the end of May we had a discussion about my problem when deleting photos, that the one I clicked to select didn¡¯t open up, but the next one or even further along opened instead. I hoped at the time it was a temporary glitch but I just tried again and it is exactly the same, so I have sent it on to Mark. ? This question I am asking may be the result of deleting photos¡ Now that the search function is fixed, I have been looking at some of the old messages and see at the bottom of some ¡°edited on such and such a date¡±. ? 
? As I would not have been editing these messages at all, I am assuming that I must have deleted the photo which had been inserted or attached to that message as there is no longer any image in the body of the message¡ is this assumption correct? Or is there some other reason? ? Thanks Win
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Re: Managing Files & Photos
Thanks for the replies, guys.? I started taking up a collection to buy the 10GB storage, but I fear there's not enough participation, on an ongoing basis, to sustain it.? So I may go with my Plan-B, which would be to create a separate group solely for storage, just to relieve the current "crisis", allowing more time to slowly, manually comb through and clean up the files/photos.? 1GB should be plenty of storage for what we do, it's just the email attachments thing that's killing us.? I wish I could set an expiration date.?
Oh, and yes, I do have the "delete old attachments" selected, so attaching new files isn't a problem, but if someone wants to upload something to Files/Phots, they're unable to.
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Re: Replying From the Owner Email
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 01:35 PM, Marcio wrote:
I'm ok with it even if it has to be done through the web interface, and I have a feeling that we have such possibility. Trouble is, I can't remember where I would go to see these messages.
Yes; use the web U/I. If a member sends a message to the Owner then both the fact of the message and the message itself can be found via the Activity Log. Having found the relevant entry and opened the message then there is a blue Reply button below it, and that will open the composition box. The option of replying as the Owner or as "yourself" is available via a drop - down. Chris
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Just letting you know that Mark emailed me saying the problem has been fixed... just tested and all is OK. Win ?
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Subject: Re: [GMF] searching messages ? Win, ? > Could you please report this? ? Bruce did, but I'd encourage you to report the details of your own experience to [email protected] so that Mark doesn't think it only affects members using the YYYY-MM-DD format. ? It's probably worth reporting your Browser and OS as well, just in case those are somehow a factor. ? Shal ? ? -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list ? ?
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