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Re: Groups.io site updates #changelog

Charlie W
 

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
* CHANGE: Because Dropbox is discontinuing the V1 version of their API, which would require us to re-write our code, and because only a few people used it, removing the integration, at least for now.
I was going to ask for Dropbox integration instead of Google.
I feel like they would be a better fit for groups.io, but I understand the technical considerations.
Hopefully you will revisit this in the future.


Re: Question about Files management #files #folders

 

So using an example from our group, the file target is: (pasted into
Notepad)

/g/Catalina30/files/Specs%20and%20Manuals/M-25XPB%20wiring%
20schematic%20%2839144_rev_m%29.pdf

So,
groups.io/g/Catalina30/files/

Specs %20 and %20 Manuals <- (the folder it's in)
i.e., or in English, "Specs and Manuals"

The file name:
M-25XPB %20 wiring %20 schematic %20 %28 39144_rev_m %29 .pdf
i.e., or in English
M-25XPB wiring schematic (2839144_rev_m).pdf

(We are not diligent about using underscore and/or hyphen "space holders" in
filenames.)


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Re: Question about Files management #files #folders

 

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Re: suddenly many yahoo.com members are bouncing, but not all of them

 

jonathon,


The only bug report I ever filed was closed by the developer, saying
that the program (Thunderbird) was not an email client.

Thunderbird has more than one developer, but in any case that's certainly an odd answer. It puts me in mind of The Princess Bride: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Anyway, good to know and watch out for if client access to Yahoo Mail doesn't count as activity that would prevent one's account from going dormant. Do you know if you were using POP or IMAP to access Y!Mail?

Most of my test accounts are for testing aspects of Yahoo Groups, and I know that using those web pages (as well as other Yahoo products) does count towards keeping your Yahoo account alive. I think the simple fact of signing in counts, regardless of which pages you visit.

On the other hand, there's a separate (and shorter) time-out for use of Yahoo Mail pages, after which your Yahoo Mail address is disabled. But that won't affect signing in to use Yahoo Groups or other products.

Shal


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Re: Question about Files management #files #folders

 

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 02:22 PM, Chris Aldrich wrote:
When right-click on a file link in the results list, I just see the standard Chrome menu for right-clicks.
I'm not sure if this works in Chrome, but I just hover over the link and a small window opens at the lower left of the browser with the complete path shown.? I'm sure there's a technical name for that little window. ;>)

Duane
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Re: Database help please

 

When one designs a "table" the setup uses "Rows" and "Columns" to identify what you are configuring.
This is what set in my mind instead of ID field.
Since I'm more of a "doer" than an "documenter" I leave the mental conversion of my Row terminology to ID as an exercise for the reader.
(Or possibly, as an Edit for the Moderator<g>)
FWIW Maybe we should petition Support to hide or even delete the ID field since many people may confuse it with the numeric position of the record in the data set when it's actually a relative position.
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Re: suddenly many yahoo.com members are bouncing, but not all of them

 

On 3/20/19 7:01 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

What do you mean by a "non-email" client?
The only bug report I ever filed was closed by the developer, saying
that the program (Thunderbird) was not an email client.

jonathon


Re: Question about Files management #files #folders

 

Ken, thanks for that quick response but it doesn't seem to work for me. When right-click on a file link in the results list, I just see the standard Chrome menu for right-clicks. Am I doing something wrong?

Chris??


Re: suddenly many yahoo.com members are bouncing, but not all of them

 

jonathon,

In beta you wrote:

I lost two accounts that my (according to the developers) non-email
client polled roughly every 90 minutes.

What do you mean by a "non-email" client?

I ask because I've been under the impression that logging in via POP or IMAP (email protocols) does count as activity for this purpose.

I ask here in GMF because the answer doesn't matter to Mark in terms of improving Groups.io.

Shal

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Re: Database help please

 

Bob,


Here's the way that I handle updates that require reordering of the rows once I had completed definition of my table:
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    Although each time you do this the row numbers increase it makes no difference; it gives you control of the sort order and you always have a backup

    I've only one quibble, and it is terminology. In the Groups.io database the ID column is specifically not row numbers. If you think of them as being like Excel row numbers you'll always be confused.

    Rather, they are like message numbers: issued once when the row is added and never re-used. They identify specific content, not the position of that content within the table. One thing that would make that more clear would be if they were used in the permalink to the View Row page for that row (but alas, some internal number is used instead).

    Shal


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    Re: Database help please

     

    I find a complete json of the table pretty useless.? Tables are typically dynamic, often changing.
    So I like to separate the design portion from the data.? Since I usually use test rows to check out databases & spread sheets, I like to carry the test info along with the design and the json does that and isn't very long.? The test info is compact and easy to eliminate after uploading the design and it gives me an assurance that what I upload is what I wanted.

    Here's the way that I handle updates that require reordering of the rows once I had completed definition of my table:
    • I first saved the design and test rows as a Json in case I had to rework the table
    • I then deleted the test rows
    • Uploaded the actual table contents from a .csv file
    • Checked out the contents, fields, etc.
    • I saved my rows as a .csv file for my backup and working copy
    If I made minor changes requiring no resequencing I simply re-saved all rows as a .csv fie for possible future complete reloading
    If I have major changes

    • I rework them in the .csv file
    • After reworking the rows in the .csv fiile and saving it
    • Delete all rows in the table in the Databases
    • Then I.upload the reworked .csv file into the table to check it out
    Although each time you do this the row numbers increase it makes no difference; it gives you control of the sort order and you always have a backup


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    Re: Database help please

     

    I wonder, are there other ways of going about this? Perhaps the use of a DATABASE is not the appropriate option for your needs?

    As you are already manipulating rows via a spreadsheet, why not upload this spreadsheet to the FILES section for your members to download and print? (Is this because your members will not be spreadsheet-literate - so downloading and printing will be to complex?)

    How about generating a PDF from your spreadsheet and uploading this instead? (Simpler to downlaod/view/print.)

    Or, could the WIKI work for you?

    Just trying to suggest alternative approaches.


    Re: How do we unmoderate ourselves?

     

    Randi,

    It is really irritating that all of my posts are moderated and I am
    the group owner.
    As far as message moderation goes there's no difference between an owner/mod or any other member. You have to look to the Posting Privileges of your subscription, and the group's Moderation setting to determine why your messages are moderated.

    There is an action that says ¡°approve and unmoderate¡± and I
    use it each time and it never unmoderates me.
    I believe that function changes your Posting Privilege to "Use Group Moderation Setting". But that will still result in your messages being moderated if your group has the "Moderated" box checked. The function is intended for use with groups with the "New Users Moderated" box checked, not the "Moderated" box.

    If it is your intent that all (or the vast majority) of your group members be moderated at all times then checking the "Moderated" box is correct, and to override that for yourself choose "Override: not moderated" at the bottom of your membership page (click on your row in the Members or Moderators list).

    If, on the other hand, you expect to unmoderate most members after they prove themselves then choose "New Users Moderated" instead of "Moderated" for the group setting. With that choice you can let members be automatically unmoderated after a set number of approved messages, or manually unmoderate them using the "Approve and Unmoderate" button on their next pending message.

    Shal



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    Re: Send Invite To Group (tagged with #cal-invite) needs to default to unchecked

     

    On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 08:59 PM, Duane wrote:
    I set all of my #cal- tags (invite, notice, and reminder) to moderated, in case we need to have one post.
    Good idea.? I may end up doing that too.? Don't forget the new one that was introduced recently, #cal-cancelled.

    Andy


    Re: Running the transfer a second time to pick up photos missed the first time

     

    Dale,

    I tried using the advice suggested with only the "photos" box checked,
    but nothing happened and the transfer did not even register as a
    pending transfer in the transfer status drop down box.
    Clue number 1 that something's wrong.

    I am not the owner who initiated the first transfer. Could that be
    the issue?
    I strongly suspect that is the issue.

    It explains why you didn't see the prior transfer in the Existing Transfers list - only the account which initiated the transfer has access to that.

    It probably also explains why your attempts have failed. One of the requirements to do a re-transfer is to delete the record of the existing (prior) transfer; something you couldn't do and the other owner probably didn't know to do.

    If there's reason the other owner can't handle the new transfer then I think Gerald's right and you'd need help from Support to clear things out so that you can start fresh, or maybe jump-start your transfer.

    Shal


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    Re: Database help please

     

    Pamala,

    I think my problem lies in the fact that I want to move a row from one
    spot to another.
    The key is that you have to do that by re-arranging the rows (lines) in the CSV file.

    The ID numbers won't be included in the exported CSV, and they will be automatically assigned, in the order of the lines in the CSV file, when imported.

    Shal


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    Re: Question about Files management #files #folders

     

    Chris
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    Not in the search view, but if you do a < right-click > copy link address >? you can figure out what folder it is in.
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    Re: Database help please

     

    Dear Shal, thank you so much for all the trouble you have gone to.
    I think my problem lies in the fact that I want to move a row from one spot to another.
    I haven't had time to spend exploring this more today as I have been extremely busy doing other things.
    I will, however, study your email closely and try one more time before giving in.

    This may take me several days as I have commitments, meetings etc. all week up to Saturday.
    I will let you know how it goes and also take screenshots as I work through it so I have a record to show you if it doesn't work.

    God Bless,
    Pamela


    Re: suddenly many yahoo.com members are bouncing, but not all of them

     

    Ruthie, Frances, Ken, Jim,

    The Email Deliver History says, "554 delivery error: dd Sorry, your
    message to XXXXXX@... cannot be delivered. This mailbox is
    disabled (554.30). - mta4486.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"
    It seems that Yahoo is doing some spring cleaning of dormant accounts, and that's the message you get for accounts that have been disabled.


    As some have mentioned in beta, clearing out accounts that haven't been signed in for over a year has been a longstanding policy at Yahoo, but only intermittently enforced.

    Bottom line:

    These are likely to be subscribers that transferred over from your Yahoo Group. They are likely to be No Email, but even if not they haven't been reading your group's messages (otherwise they wouldn't be dormant).

    So my advice is to let them go. Either ignore them or (if you prefer a tidier Bouncing list) remove them.

    Shal

    FWIW:
    I took this heads-up as a prompt to go and sign in to each of my handful of test accounts at Yahoo. It looks like I'll lose one of them because even though I know its password, Yahoo requires that I verify one of its recovery addresses/phone numbers. Unfortunately that one has only one recovery option, and it is a long-dead email address at my former ISP.

    In that condition, the only recovery option is to speak to an agent. I could do that, as I have record of the "secrets" I set for that account, but I'm not going to bother.


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    Re: Running the transfer a second time to pick up photos missed the first time

    Gerald Boutin
     

    I would suggest sending the details to [email protected]

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