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Re: Reply to group keeps including the original message

 

I do find this odd, purely my own observation over many years of mailing lists, having been a list owner of several under rootsweb and currently under groups.io and having been a subscriber to many more on a variety of subjects, I can almost name the few who bottom post or reply with interspersed comments

Bottom posting is by far the most annoying, interspersed replies are okay once but once that is again replied to it loses any meaning

The norm for many years has been to top post leaving just enough of the message you are replying to, to keep the reply in context

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

The most you can do if you are the owner of the group, is to ban TOFU/top-posting and insist that members use the proper "old-fashioned" interspersing-method.
groetjes/?is, Ronaldo
Re: Reply to group keeps including the original message

 

On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 09:05 PM, Emily Rosenberg wrote:

Is there are setting so that the original message is automatically stripped
from the reply?
Alas, the autotrim only works on digests.

The most you can do if you are the owner of the group, is to ban TOFU/top-posting and insist that members use the proper "old-fashioned" interspersing-method.


groetjes/?is, Ronaldo
Re: Reply to group keeps including the original message

 

On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 08:47 PM, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:
FWIW, I like seeing the full history of the current thread up to the msg that the member is responding to.
This is the usual argument, but it doesn't really hold water.
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One person posts a message. Five people reply to it. They may quote the original, but they don't quote each other. You've already lost 67% of the thread.
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I don't want to overstate this, and acknowledge that it's all but unavoidable. But the fact remains that the only way to see a topic in full context is to read it online.
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Regards,
Bruce
Re: Reply to group keeps including the original message

 

Hi Emily

May I ask what is the reason for not wanting any previous text of the message being replied to?

Our groups all have different needs but without a little of the previous message at least the context is lost and in the groups archives its difficult to follow a thread without it

So just wondered what your needs were?

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 23/03/2025 19:22, Emily Rosenberg via groups.io wrote:
Is there are setting so that the original message is automatically stripped from the reply? I suspect it might be because some people's
Re: Reply to group keeps including the original message

 

On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 08:05 PM, Emily Rosenberg wrote:
Is there are setting so that the original message is automatically stripped from the reply?
Have at least some of the previous message can be extremely useful in providing context to what is being said.? The extra message text does not count towards your storage allocation so you don't need to worry about that. I have a feeling you are making more work for yourself than is necessary.
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Regards
Andy
Re: Reply to group keeps including the original message

 

Emily -
To better understand your situation, I'm curious why you're editing the messages. Groups.io automatically hides most of the quoted material beyond the post being replied to. What does remain is often useful to the reader when opening the message separately. Since the amount of material in the message archives doesn't count against group space allocations, is this just for appearance in the archives?
Dano
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Is there are setting so that the original message is automatically stripped from the reply? I suspect it might be because some people's email is set up to include original messages and I wont be able to change that so I am hoping groups.io lets me get it automated. Right no I am editing those messages to remove the original and it is not something I want to do.
Re: Reply to group keeps including the original message

 

On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 07:47 PM, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:
Since the latest response appears on top, the history is easily ignored
There is no default location for replies online.? In email, it depends on how the person has their program set up.? The quoted part can be on the top, bottom, or none.
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Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual found in the Help Center.
Re: Reply to group keeps including the original message

 

FWIW, I like seeing the full history of the current thread up to the msg that the member is responding to. If you hate it, you can just eliminate the history for responses that you yourself create.

Since the latest response appears on top, the history is easily ignored, so I don't see why it's a big deal. The reason I like it is that it supplies context if I have not followed every preceding message.?

-P.?

On Sun, Mar 23, 2025, 4:18?PM Bruce Bowman via <bowman46118=[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 04:05 PM, Emily Rosenberg wrote:
Is there are setting so that the original message is automatically stripped from the reply?
There is no such setting, nor is there a setting to always include it. The person replying decides; hopefully complying with any preferences mentioned in your group Guidelines.
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For what it's worth, bottom-quoted text is stripped from messages that appear in a digest.?
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Here in GMF, if someone gets carried away, we moderators will often remove an over-quote, substituting a brief message explaining what was done. We hope this serves as a reminder of our expectations (I was going to say it's a "deterrent," but that sounds a little too harsh).
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Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Reply to group keeps including the original message

 

On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 04:05 PM, Emily Rosenberg wrote:
Is there are setting so that the original message is automatically stripped from the reply?
There is no such setting, nor is there a setting to always include it. The person replying decides; hopefully complying with any preferences mentioned in your group Guidelines.
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For what it's worth, bottom-quoted text is stripped from messages that appear in a digest.?
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Here in GMF, if someone gets carried away, we moderators will often remove an over-quote, substituting a brief message explaining what was done. We hope this serves as a reminder of our expectations (I was going to say it's a "deterrent," but that sounds a little too harsh).
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Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Pending message stay in owner box even after they have been approved

 

On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 04:19 PM, Frances wrote:
All the messages that I approve and that are for "reply to group" are accumulating in my pending mail box. Can you direct me to the setting where I can have them go away once they are approved?
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If you mean your personal email inbox, you can delete them.
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BTW, I don't keep any messages unless I want to save one to think about it and respond later. I rely on the message archive in my groups to re-read anything I want to.?
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Frances
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Help available from /helpcenterand GMF wiki.

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Re: Pending message stay in owner box even after they have been approved

 

On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 04:05 PM, Emily Rosenberg wrote:
All the messages that I approve and that are for "reply to group" are accumulating in my pending mail box. Can you direct me to the setting where I can have them go away once they are approved?
"my pending mail box" - pending messages disappear on the group website once the messages are dealt with - approved or delete etc. ?I don't know why they are accumulating in your pending mail box (on the group page?).?
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Note that they disappear automatically after 14 days if not claimed by an owner/moderator or dealt with.
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Look in Activity to see whether or not you are properly moderating these messages.?
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Is it possible you set this feature -?
Automatically Moderate Topics Older Than [n] Days
To put topics on moderation automatically after a specific length of time, select this checkbox and specify the number of days after which topics should be moderated.
Note: The moderation becomes effective overnight, U.S. Pacific Time, after the specified number of days have elapsed.
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Frances
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Help available from /helpcenterand GMF wiki.

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Re: Reply to group keeps including the original message

 

You asked about original message being stripped from the reply.
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The Help says if using email, it depends on the email application you are using. If are replying to a message on a group's website, you can automatically include all or part of the message (by selecting the text before clicking on reply).
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Quoting messages you are replying to

Note: This topic covers quoting messages that you are replying to on a group¡¯s website. If you are replying to messages via email, the method for automatically including quoted messages in replies as well as where quoted text is placed (for example, at the top or bottom of the message) depend on the specific email application you are using.

When you are replying to a message on a group¡¯s website, you can automatically include (quote) all or part of that message in your reply.
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Frances
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Help available from /helpcenterand GMF wiki.

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Reply to group keeps including the original message

 

Is there are setting so that the original message is automatically stripped from the reply? I suspect it might be because some people's email is set up to include original messages and I wont be able to change that so I am hoping groups.io lets me get it automated. Right no I am editing those messages to remove the original and it is not something I want to do.? Thanks again for your help and the reminder to Read the Full Manual.?

Pending message stay in owner box even after they have been approved

 

Thank you all for your help and patience with our questions.? Our group just switched from only one reply option to all options available and its been a chaotic week as I learn the system and people respond to the change. All the messages that I approve and that are for "reply to group" are accumulating in my pending mail box. Can you direct me to the setting where I can have them go away once they are approved? Thanks.

Re: Can a member decide not to receive ¡°reply to group¡± messages?

 

As Malcolm mentioned, there are options.
Here's the help page for members on advanced subscription preferences - /helpcenter/manual/membersmanual/subsettings/Sub_AdvancedPrefs.htm
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Frances
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Re: Can a member decide not to receive ¡°reply to group¡± messages?

 

On 22 March 2025 06:00:31 (+00:00), Emily Rosenberg wrote:

We are testing a switch from offering reply to sender as the only reply option. Now we offer ¡°reply to group and sender¡± as well as just sender or just group or just moderators. People who have set preferences for single emailsare complaining about way too many emails but don¡¯t want to change to digest. Others are happy seeing all the responses. Is there a way to accommodate both sides? ?Thanks, Emily?

Individuals can use their Advanced Preferences ... tick "Following only" and the inset "First message also".

Malcolm.

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Can a member decide not to receive ¡°reply to group¡± messages?

 

We are testing a switch from offering reply to sender as the only reply option. Now we offer ¡°reply to group and sender¡± as well as just sender or just group or just moderators. People who have set preferences for single emailsare complaining about way too many emails but don¡¯t want to change to digest. Others are happy seeing all the responses. Is there a way to accommodate both sides? ?Thanks, Emily?
Re: Massive Bouncing Members Conundrum

 

I'm pretty sure that the date shown for Bouncing accounts is the date the most recent Bounce Probe was sent by the system. I would wait at least until the badge turns Red (Bounced). At this point the system has sent probes every 3 or 4 days for at least 2 weeks. If the group member hasn't responded by this time they are probably no longer interested in being in the group or their address is no longer valid.

I check my groups periodically for bounces and delete those that never respond. It is rare that there are more than a handful at any one time. When we moved over from Yahoo there were quite a few bouncing addresses that ended up being deleted, but since then there have only been a few from time to time.

Jonathan

On 3/21/2025 4:48 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 08:40 AM, netsurfau wrote:
So, I'm guessing that none of the 3,193 bounced receive anything from the group, and there is no way to ascertain if they're?still bouncing,
if they were bounced some time ago.
There are two stages of bouncing:
* a soft bounce where Groups.io has had an issue delivering an email but is in the process of retrying and this is denoted by a blue B badge on the member list
* a hard bounce where Groups.io has reached the limit if its retries and stopped trying to send messages to a member altogether; denoted by a red B badge on the member list
Hovering your mouse pointer over those badges will show a pop-up stating when a particular bouncing state was entered:
In addition, you can also view the member record and display the Activity History for that member. The Activity Log will contain entries which show when an account has entered or left a bouncing state. You can see on this example from GMF (read from the bottom up) that a member subscribed and then went through the bouncing stages.? Duane has twice sent a bounce probe to this member but the account is still in a bouncing state:
Now my question is, do I just delete all of the "bounced" members, as technically they're not actually members anymore?
Bouncing refers to email delivery so there's a chance that those members may still be viewing messages online. I know a bounced member gets a prompt to un-bounce their account when they login to the Groups.io site but I believe they can still read messages anyway.? Whether you remove them or not comes down to how you wish to operate your group. If you have guidelines that state that hard bouncing members will be removed after a period of time then it would be reasonable to do so.? As in the example above, you could start by sending them a 'bounce probe' to see if it has any effect.
You can send multiple bounce probes at one time by filtering the member list by those in a bouncing state, selecting all the members on the list and then selecting Send Bounce Probe from the Actions button:
As you have lots of bouncing members, I'd recommend that you set your Items per Page to Infinite Scroll in your account preferences at /settings/prefs This will allow you to scroll to the bottom of the list before selecting everyone and using the Actions button.? If you use the Groups.io app, the default is Infinite Scroll on the member list anyway so you would not need to change your preferences.
Regards
Andy
Re: link to subscribe

 

On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 03:03 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:


A "mailto:" link to the +subscribe address automatically populates their email
address, but also launches their email program. They don't have to type
anything, but do have to send the message.
mailto-links are widely considered bad practice. They only work when the person is on his/her own computer, and even if they are it may activate an email-program that they are not even using.


groetjes/?is, Ronaldo
Re: Massive Bouncing Members Conundrum

 

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Keep in mind that bounced members still can access the website for messages if the group is private. They don¡¯t get any email but they still have that access.

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I don¡¯t know if it is possible to tell if bounced members are using the web access as a way of knowing they shouldn¡¯t be deleted. Also you can always trigger a bounce test for the users.

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-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team

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