Frances and Duane,
Thanks for your explanations. ?After checking your links and our default setting (unlimited, though we limit the size manually by rejecting large attachments), I feel convinced our new member herself chose to limit the size of the attachments she receives. Ever something new to learn.

Alois -- You can "upload" a link to any large file located in cloud storage and still have the document appear as a file in the group's Files area. See screenshot.

This provides access to the document without it counting anything against your group quota.

Regards,
Bruce

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On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 01:56 PM, Alois Treindl wrote:

Can you maybe give scp/rsync? access the the files folder, or a one-time upload of two large files?

Even Enterprise groups (with 1 TB of storage) are limited to 500 MB file/photo uploads according to /static/compare

This is a user-to-user group, no one from GIO monitors it, so we can't do anything like that.? You do have the option of breaking your files into smaller parts and labeling them as such.

Duane
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>>> I tried it on my (premium) test group.? It tells you "That address is already registered." and doesn't change anything, so it can't be done with an email address that already has an account.? They'll need to unsubscribe and/or delete one of the accounts for themselves or you could remove one of them on the group. <<<


Duane, thanks for trying it out; yeah, I'll post a docs topic to clarify that owner manual section.

Also answered my own musing,

>>> As a related thought-byproduct item to this, I wonder, couldn't a (premium+) admin also help a member (who themselves entered the wrong/typo/etc ChangeTo/Merge address and is now stuck) recover by changing the wrong address back to the correct one through this group "change address" feature?? When a user modifies their account address, it propagates right away down to the groups if I'm correct, albeit showing now as NC until the user clicks on the confirmation email link. <<<

I did test that and it does work, albeit the user goes to blue Bouncing right away, not NC (shouldn't it be both??), and while the admin can recover the address for the user, the account stays bouncing and the user has to also unbounce their account, the warning message and unbounce link are presented to them the next time they log in; or I guess when they see (and click) the bounce message if said member is an email user exclusively.

I think the way it does it now, i.e. assume the address is correct so go ahead and change the address before it gets the confirmation, is not right to me but that's a different can of worms :)

Cheers,
Christos

So, groups.io provides some file storage because it helps groups do things. Mine store agendas, minutes, resolutions and that sort of thing in a convenient archive. However, that does not make groups.io a file sharing service and there are many features (like specifically, large binaries) which aren't supported.

What I would do in this circumstance if I was faced with this problem for one of my groups is upload the binary to a Google drive account and then post the link to the file as a message and in a file in the group.

Best,

Glenn

Can you maybe give scp/rsync? access the the files folder, or a one-time upload of two large files?

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 12:54 PM, Duane wrote:

However it really doesn't affect members at large. Just those who have access to Admin, Members will see it.

Not quite correct.? The member will see it on their overview page, /groups, next to their delivery choice.

Duane

Right. I meant other members don't see it. Unless, perhaps, you can allow members to see Admin, ?Members. But I was unclear.?Thanks for the clarification.

Frances
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On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 11:42 AM, Frances wrote:

However it really doesn't affect members at large. Just those who have access to Admin, Members will see it.

Not quite correct.? The member will see it on their overview page, /groups, next to their delivery choice.

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On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 11:26 AM, Alois Treindl wrote:

I am trying to upload a 2.6 gb binary file to the files section of my group.

Can't be done.? Have a look at /helpcenter/membersmanual/1/working-with-files/uploading-files-and-folders, especially the Note: at the bottom.

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On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Ann Wild wrote:

I very recently added a new member to our listserv.? Next to her choice of the digest was a blue box with white "A" in it, indicating limited attachments allowed.? We limit attachments manually, so I have no idea what this meant.? First time I have ever seen it.? Can someone explain?? And can it be deleted?? Thanks and happy new year.

This is based on the setting in Default Subscription Size.
/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/setting-default-email-options-and-user-settings?single=true
Or the member has set in in Subscription, Advanced Preferences.
/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/controlling-your-email-subscription-preferences/advanced-preferences?single=true

It is not visible in Directory, only in Admin, Members.
I believe you can only change it if you set it as owner as a default by changing attachment size.
However it really doesn't affect members at large. Just those who have access to Admin, Members will see it.

Frances

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I very recently added a new member to our listserv.? Next to her choice of the digest was a blue box with white "A" in it, indicating limited attachments allowed.? We limit attachments manually, so I have no idea what this meant.? First time I have ever seen it.? Can someone explain?? And can it be deleted?? Thanks and happy new year.
Ann

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 05:19 PM, Duane wrote:

The message clearly says to Forward

Arrgh!. I was looking at a pending message notification.

Andy

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 04:01 PM, Ian Gillis wrote:

If, on the other hand, I follow the instruction in the message, copy the link and forward the mail to a pasted forwarding address,

I can't see anything about forwarding the email in the instructions.? If you right-click the link and select copy you can end up with the mailto: tag being included and if you paste that into the To: field on a new email then the address will be invalid. I have not been able to do anything (so far) that ends up with %2B in the address though.

Andy

BillSF9c,
There are a number of free and lower cost alternative depending on what your needs are.??is still available

The very basic free forums have ads, allow logins, but not no attachments, only posts
The forums that charge, adjust their prices in various tiers that are lower that $20 a month for more than 100 members, but again, no file storage, wiki, calendar, database, etc. Some do allow image attachments.?There are free and paid platforms that allow you to create your own forum and pay them a hosting fee.?

There is for national hobby clubs and organizations that operated large numbers of chapters in a regional area. There are no limits how many people in a group. It's free and has no ads. Everything is online: posts, calendar, event management, files, photos. A digest is offered but it contains only posted subjects each member opts to follow and has no content. Members must log in to access the actual posted content. It highly values member privacy.?

is another type of group. It's based in the UK. The lowest tier has most of GIO's Premium features for $12 a month allows 500 members.?

I am most familiar with??as I have used them for the past 15 years. I have both free personal GGs and domain/educational GGs which are housed under?.?The reason I came to GIO was because one of the NPs, I assist was against forcing their members to use any service with requires someone to create an account. GIO met that requirement.

I currently "own" 5 GGs for some NPs that I assist as well as for my personal use. The are a part of Google Workspace (GW).?One person would pay?$6 a month to have a Google Workspace (GW) account where he/she could create as many groups and directly add as many members to them as they need. The advantages to the paid GW GG is Google Sites which acts as a Wiki and the ability to directly add members.?

If you don't need a wiki or direct add, then you can create a free GG. Your GG members would need their own Google accounts to participate in Meets/Hangouts (GIO Chat), and create shared files, photos, databases, calendars, surveys (Google forms), etc.?

There's a lot of information out there if you search "internet groups" and "internet forums". Like GIO, many will make changes to their current features and pricing.
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I am trying to upload a 2.6 gb binary file to the files section of my group.

It fails, in firefox, after a minute or two with a lost connection message in the browser.

On Chrome it fails as well and I see this message from nginx:

413 Request Entity Too Large

I had assumed that I have 20 Gb file space for my group, and I want to use it to distribute? large important file to the members.

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Thanks for pointing that out, I wasn't aware of that.
Best regards, Beate

BillSF9c,

For any and all groups I am in & own, it it untenable if they grow.

No groups that currently exist or that are created before Jan 18th are affected by the new pricing structure. Which may or may not be changed before it goes into effect; possible changes are, I think, why Mark has opened the topic for comment.

Basic groups that upgrade to Premium will maintain the pricing that is or was in place at the time of their upgrade.

To see a group that could soon use an extra Gig in the semi-near
future burdened with buying 30... yes, not 20 - 30 now, when 1G would
last us another 20 years, is just unworkable.

The price does not increase, only the amount of storage.

If you decide to upgrade to Premium before the new pricing goes into effect you'll get the benefit of the increased storage, but without the $0.55/yr/member charge for members over 400.

Where else can lists/grouos, go?

It depends on the needs of the group. There are a number of alternative services out there, each having different pros and cons from the point of view of any given group.

For groups that are primarily email lists Google Groups is frequently cited. But I haven't used one in many years and haven't researched them. Others may have relevant knowledge.

Shal


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Yup. Just read it. 2 weeks old and somehow I missed it. For any and all groups I am in & own, it it untenable if they grow.

I'd be happy to see a list of alternatives to IO. I too must plan for the future.

I'm sure it was not intended, but to pkan this or that and then find a group started in September has no File or Photo section...

To see a group that could soon use an extra Gig in the semi-near future burdened with buying 30... yes, not 20 - 30 now, when 1G would last us another 20 years, is just unworkable.

Where else can lists/grouos, go?

TIA? & HNY! ?
BillSF9c