Re: Replying From the Owner Email
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How would I go about setting up that account?
You quoted the answer below.
Thunderbird can handle multiple different email accounts. If you have more than one account set up, when composing a reply there's a dropdown in the From field in the compose window and there you can choose any of your accounts.?
But when I try to set up a different one from my own email, for example, the message won't be sent no matter what I do :( Is this what you are talking about?
That wasn't me, but in Thunderbird each account you use for sending must be linked to one of your valid SMTP configurations. In the first page of the Account's settings you can set the Email Address, and at the bottom the Outgoing Server (SMTP). In that drop-list pick the outgoing service you wish to use (typically the one for your primary email address).
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On the Server Settings page for that account uncheck every form of checking for new messages, and you can leave the POP or IMAP server information blank - as there is no server from which you can retrieve +owner messages.
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Having done this success is not guaranteed. Your chosen outgoing service may reject messages you send with an alternate From address; and the destination service may reject messages that use this kind of spoofing.
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In Yahoo Mail it is in the Mailboxes tab of the More Settings page, under Send-only email address.
Hmmm, I guess that's what I'm missing. I've never set up this option on my Yahoo email. Maybe this is why the message isn't being sent when I try changing the "from" field?
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Setting up the spoof on the server side (in Yahoo Mail's options) is similar conceptually to what I described for Thunderbird, but it controls a drop-list for the From field in Y!Mail's web interface. I don't know if that relates in any way to using it from Thunderbird. Maybe it acts as an enable for a spoof done in Thunderbird, or maybe Yahoo Mail flat out rejects any spoof submitted through SMTP (Thunderbird).
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Well, I guess I've covered all the answers given so far. And maybe it's not on topic for this list anymore ...
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I think we're still on topic. Being able to send messages from the group's +owner address is frequently desired by group mods/owners, and this is as good a place as any to discuss ways of doing it and the pros and cons of the various methods.
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Is there another place where we can talk about it, that is, if you guys are interested, without perhaps cluttering up the list with something that may not be of interested for everyone?
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Anyone who has lost interest can always use the Mute This Topic link in the footer. ? ;-)
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Re: New subscribers bypassing the Pending subscription notice
?All right, that answers my question then. Thanks to both of you.? If these messages are not being logged in the activity log, then I don¡¯t know that they¡¯re not receiving them. More than likely they¡¯re just not answering them.
?That¡¯s kind of what I had suspected earlier this morning, so I¡¯m going to leave it at that.
?Thanks again for your help.?
John Myers?
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 09:20 AM, John Myers, KD8MQ wrote:
I run the OSPOTA (Ohio State Parks On The Air) group. I have it set up so that a join request triggers a Pending Subscription notice to them so they can give us more information about themselves. Once they reply favorably to that, we approve them.?
We've had a few that according to the activity log are not getting the notices.
As Chris mentioned, most (all?) automatic notifications do not get logged. An actual failed delivery (i.e.: bounce) should show up in that subscriber's?Email Delivery History. It's always possible that a notification will land in someone's spam/junk folder, so be sure to have your subscribers check for that, too.?
Finally, anyone you Invite/Direct Add is not sent any Pending Subscription notice...and in fact, such people never land in Pending status. Groups.io assumes that you have already vetted them in some other fashion...otherwise you wouldn't have sent them an invitation. If for some reason you need to collect information from everybody (including invitees) you'll have to find some other way to do that.
More info at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Screening-New-Members-Using-the-Pending-Subscription-Notice
Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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Re: New group manager here with a quick Q
Instead of letting any member direct add a person they ¡®think¡¯ would like to join their group (With owner/moderator approval), why not ¡®personally¡¯ send to that person that might want to join, the home URL of that group for their consideration of joining. ? Don
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Re: Email to owner's address went to group instead
This happened this morning. According to the simple header displayed in my email program, the message was definitely sent to the owner's address and not to the group address.
If your "simple header" shows only the Display Name part of the To address that could be the source of confusion, as Marcio suggested. You may need to use "show details", "show original", "view source" or some similarly named function in your email interface in order to see the full To address. The details of doing that depend on the program you're using. Another possibility is that the sender included the group's posting address as a BCC. But then you should have seen it both in the group and directly as a +owner message. Unless your email interface collapsed the two together as being "the same" message, or unless you haven't elected to receive all +owner messages.
? We use the owner's address all the time and it has never happened before. Is this a new glitch?
I think it is more likely pilot error on the part of the person who sent the message.
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I believe at least part of the source of the problem is that there aren't permalinks to photos.? In any album, when a photo is deleted, the "link" to others may change.? For example, if there are 5 photos, they're labeled as /g/groupname/photo/album#/0 through /g/groupname/photo/album#/4.? By deleting #2, they're renumbered as 0-3, so #4 becomes #3.? The ?p= after the initial part of the link should go to the correct one, but doesn't always do it properly. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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This issue of the wrong picture being displayed in a Photo Album, when clicking on the thumbnail of a particular picture in that album, does not appear to happen all the time for me. When it does happen, I have to click on one or two pictures on either side of the one I want to display the right one. I have not experienced that issue in Emailed Photos to date. Sort order inside a Photo Album should not make a difference, in displaying the correct picture linked to the thumbnail in that album. ? When I notice this issue happen again, I will spend more time trying to analyze what is happening. ? Don
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Re: New subscribers bypassing the Pending subscription notice
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 09:20 AM, John Myers, KD8MQ wrote:
I run the OSPOTA (Ohio State Parks On The Air) group. I have it set up so that a join request triggers a Pending Subscription notice to them so they can give us more information about themselves. Once they reply favorably to that, we approve them.?
We've had a few that according to the activity log are not getting the notices.
As Chris mentioned, most (all?) automatic notifications do not get logged. An actual failed delivery (i.e.: bounce) should show up in that subscriber's?Email Delivery History. It's always possible that a notification will land in someone's spam/junk folder, so be sure to have your subscribers check for that, too.? Finally, anyone you Invite/Direct Add is not sent any Pending Subscription notice...and in fact, such people never land in Pending status. Groups.io assumes that you have already vetted them in some other fashion...otherwise you wouldn't have sent them an invitation. If for some reason you need to collect information from everybody (including invitees) you'll have to find some other way to do that. More info at? /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Screening-New-Members-Using-the-Pending-Subscription-NoticeHope this helps, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: Replying From the Owner Email
Hi,
I'm going to address more than one answer on this email so it will
be a bit long.
Shal,
Depending on your email service, you may
be able to create an "account" within your email address which
has the group's +owner email address. With Gmail or Yahoo Mail
you'll be required to prove that you are authorized to use that
address - they'll send a confirmation email to it.
How would I go about setting up that account?
I know it's possible to have more than one identity, which seems
to be what Bill talked about here:
Thunderbird can handle multiple different
email accounts. If you have more than one account set up, when
composing a reply there's a dropdown in the From field in the
compose window and there you can choose any of your accounts.?
But when I try to set up a different one from my own email, for
example, the message won't be sent no matter what I do :(
Is this what you are talking about?
Peter wrote:
However I have done it successfully using
a different address known to Thunderbird and that has gone
through OK.
What would be an address "known to Thunderbird"?
I have two accounts configured. Would I then be able to send a
message through my Yahoo account simulating the other account that
I have? If so, that's nice, but I'll never be able to use the
+owner address using this technique unless I make it known to
Thunderbird. And how can I make a "virtual address" to be known to
Thunderbird? :(
Peter wrote:
Technically spoofing I know, but I have
done what I think you are trying to do in Thunderbird going out
through btinternet.com. ?
Donald wrote in reply:
I can do that myself (spoof an email
address) but only with my ISP
email. I tried it with some webmail accounts and it didn't work
for
me.?
Apparently, these days it doesn't work for most of the email
providers. As far as I could see Yahoo is one of them, but I'm
trying to find out if I missed some step before trying it again.
Shal,
The kind of "account" I'm referring to is
something you set up on the Accounts and Import tab of the
options page of Gmail's web interface. There's a Send mail as
field where you can add more addresses. It doesn't create a new
email address or inbox, just an ability to use that address when
sending messages via Gmail's server.
In Yahoo Mail it is in the Mailboxes tab
of the More Settings page, under Send-only email address.?
Hmmm, I guess that's what I'm missing. I've never set up this
option on my Yahoo email. Maybe this is why the message isn't
being sent when I try changing the "from" field?
Well, I guess I've covered all the answers given so far. And maybe
it's not on?? topic for this list anymore (sorry if it's the case,
I've only realised it now). Is there another place where we can
talk about it, that is, if you guys are interested, without
perhaps cluttering up the list with something that may not be of
interested for everyone?
Thanks for the time taken to help me. It's much appreciated.
Cheers,
AKA Starboy
Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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Re: New subscribers bypassing the Pending subscription notice
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 02:20 PM, John Myers, KD8MQ wrote:
We've had a few that according to the activity log are not getting the notices.
"Normal" Pending Subscription messages are not recorded in the Activity Log, only those sent manually by a Moderator (because there has been no response to that sent automatically)? are recorded. How do you know that they are not getting the notices given that the Activity Log doesn't tell you! Chris
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Re: Email to owner's address went to group instead
Trista,
According to the simple header displayed
in my email program, the message was definitely sent to the
owner's address and not to the group address.
Any chance of that address being saved incorrectly?
I mean, some email clients will save email addresses
automatically, and usually this cause a lot of troubles.
For example, the person trying to write to the owner's address
could be using something like Your Group's name Owner on the Name
field, but what matters at the end is the Email field, and this
field may well be set to Your Group's address.
Not sure, only a thought :)
Cheers,
AKA Starboy
Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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Re: New group manager here with a quick Q
Chris,
If anyone is a Group Owner or Moderator it
falls on them to make sure that the group is properly run
(however that is to be defined) and handing over who can join /
is invited or Direct Added to the wider membership would be
completely at odds with that responsibility.
Well, Facebook's groups have an option that will allow members to
invite others to the group but a mod/adm has to aprove the member.
IMHO, this would be a nice featureto have on groups.io. You are
part of a cool group that you think a friend would be interested
on joining, then you just invite them, but they will need to be
aproved before actually being counted in.
Of course this would be an option which could be enabled or not,
just like most features that we already have :)
Cheers,
AKA Starboy
Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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Re: FAIL: email posting to group
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 03:55 AM, Lena wrote:
Are you sure that mail goes out from your vps IP-address?
None of IP-addresses in that range has RDNS. That's a big red flag for receivers.
My bad.? It is a / 23.? I attempted to edit the posting after I did the reply. I host no mail server on my vps; I use my ISP's mail server(s).
>? I'm going to do some low level testing via telnet to port 25 in to the groups.io MTA from....
>? ?-? first my vps (in the 45.13.66.0/23?CIDR)
>? ?-? second from my workstation (on Comcast's 71.205.0.0/16 CIDR)
>? ... and report back.? Real Soon Now.
...... later this morning. As identified earlier in this thread, my ISP's outbound MTA's are):
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.? Server name: outbound00.knthost.com
.? Server IP: 45.13.64.13
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.? Server name: outbound01.knthost.com
.? Server IP: 45.13.64.14
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jonesy@nix5:~$ dig -x 45.13.64.13 +noall +answer
; <<>> DiG 9.10.3-P4-Ubuntu <<>> -x 45.13.64.13 +noall +answer
;; global options: +cmd
13.64.13.45.in-addr.arpa. 21463 IN? ? ? PTR? ? ?outbound00.knthost.com.
jonesy@nix5:~$ dig -x 45.13.64.14 +noall +answer
; <<>> DiG 9.10.3-P4-Ubuntu <<>> -x 45.13.64.14 +noall +answer
;; global options: +cmd
14.64.13.45.in-addr.arpa. 21599 IN? ? ? PTR? ? ?outbound01.knthost.com.
jonesy@nix5:~$
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Jonesy
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An interesting concept¡ BUT¡ my problem IS in Emailed Photos¡ and it IS set to ¡°sort by posted¡±, and I don¡¯t get the correct photo when clicking on a thumbnail. Win ?
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Sent: Friday, 9 August 2019 6:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] re deleting photos ? On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 05:44 AM, Don Grass wrote: I¡¯ve been noticing that situation too, where the picture I clicked on in an album was not the one that opened, but a picture before or after the one I clicked on.
I feel that this takes us right back to the original query; does this problem manifest irrespective of the location of the photos in question, i.e. are they in Albums or Emailed Photos or both?
I have done some not wholly exhaustive tests this morning and while I am not going to claim that it is not a "cache" issue I would argue that that is not the whole story.
I have found that photos in Albums and those in Emailed Photos seem to behave differently, and that it is a function of the Display / Sort Order chosen by the individual user, and I think that it all goes back to when Mark changed the default order to Sort By Posted¡Í. For those of use that had set up our Photo Albums to work alphanumerically this made it necessary to change the Album setting to Sort by Title¡Í and the album contents to Sort by Name¡Í.?This made "albums" work again, but because these settings are Account Wide (and thus Group Wide) it meant that within Emailed Photos the sort order became by Name, not Posting Date.?
At this point the two different "types" of photo differ in thier behaviour; in "proper" photo albums clicking on a thumbnail seems to bring up the correct photo irrespective of the chosen sort order, but that is not true for Emailed Photos; clicking on a thumbnail in Emailed Photos only brings up the correct photo if the Sort Order is Sort by Posted¡Í,.but as mentioned above if Sort by Name is selected for other Albums then the same setting will be forced on Emailed Photos.
IMHO it would be far better if Sort by Title / Name was an option only for Albums, leaving Emailed Photos as Sort by Posted.
I hope the above makes sense... :)
Chris
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Re: New group manager here with a quick Q
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 01:26 AM, Lucien Lewis wrote:
I just set up a group and I want any member to be able to add any other member.?
Is there a setting for that?
About 3 years ago there was a suggestion made, and added to the TODO list, to allow an option for anyone on a group to send invitations: That list doesn't get updated very often and there are several items shown that have been implemented, but this isn't one of them (yet.)? If you read through the lists, you'll see there are many things under consideration, so Mark has to prioritize. I wouldn't want a member to be able to Direct Add though. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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New subscribers bypassing the Pending subscription notice
Hi, I run the OSPOTA (Ohio State Parks On The Air) group. I have it set up so that a join request triggers a Pending Subscription notice to them so they can give us more information about themselves. Once they reply favorably to that, we approve them.? We've had a few that according to the activity log are not getting the notices. Once I get a notice that there's a pending subscription,? I send the notice manually.? I've looked through the settings, and all seems proper. Is there something I need to change in the setup to get things working properly? Thanks in advance, John Myers /g/OSPOTA
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Email to owner's address went to group instead
This happened this morning. According to the simple header displayed in my email program, the message was definitely sent to the owner's address and not to the group address. We use the owner's address all the time and it has never happened before. Is this a new glitch?
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Re: New group manager here with a quick Q
Maybe you could tell your members to email the subscribe address to prospective members and copy you in, so you knew to approve them (if that's how you're doing it).
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On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 05:44 AM, Don Grass wrote:
I¡¯ve been noticing that situation too, where the picture I clicked on in an album was not the one that opened, but a picture before or after the one I clicked on.
I feel that this takes us right back to the original query; does this problem manifest irrespective of the location of the photos in question, i.e. are they in Albums or Emailed Photos or both? I have done some not wholly exhaustive tests this morning and while I am not going to claim that it is not a "cache" issue I would argue that that is not the whole story. I have found that photos in Albums and those in Emailed Photos seem to behave differently, and that it is a function of the Display / Sort Order chosen by the individual user, and I think that it all goes back to when Mark changed the default order to Sort By Posted¡Ä. For those of use that had set up our Photo Albums to work alphanumerically this made it necessary to change the Album setting to Sort by Title¡Ä and the album contents to Sort by Name¡Ä.?This made "albums" work again, but because these settings are Account Wide (and thus Group Wide) it meant that within Emailed Photos the sort order became by Name, not Posting Date.? At this point the two different "types" of photo differ in thier behaviour; in "proper" photo albums clicking on a thumbnail seems to bring up the correct photo irrespective of the chosen sort order, but that is not true for Emailed Photos; clicking on a thumbnail in Emailed Photos only brings up the correct photo if the Sort Order is Sort by Posted¡Ä,.but as mentioned above if Sort by Name is selected for other Albums then the same setting will be forced on Emailed Photos. IMHO it would be far better if Sort by Title / Name was an option only for Albums, leaving Emailed Photos as Sort by Posted. I hope the above makes sense... :) Chris
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Re: FAIL: email posting to group
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 03:28 AM, Jonesy W3DHJ wrote:
I'm going to do some low level testing via telnet to port 25 in to the
groups.io MTA from....
-? first my vps (in the?45.13.66.0/24 CIDR)
Are you sure that mail goes out from your vps IP-address? None of IP-addresses in that range has RDNS. That's a big red flag for receivers.
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Re: New group manager here with a quick Q
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 07:26 AM, Lucien Lewis wrote:
Is there a setting for that??
No there isn't. Assuming that you have a Premium / Enterprise group Direct Add (not available on Basic groups) is an Owner / Moderator function, as indeed it should be, IMHO. If anyone is a Group Owner or Moderator it falls on them to make sure that the group is properly run (however that is to be defined) and handing over who can join / is invited or Direct Added to the wider membership would be completely at odds with that responsibility. Chris
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Shal Farley
John Myers, WG8X
Don Grass
Duane
Bruce
Lena