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Re: How long to wait for transfer
#transfer
Chris,
I initiated a transfer of messages from our Yahoo group on Nov 19th.It may be extra delayed due to Mark's vacation on Thanksgiving week. The status says that the transfer is in process and it appears thatIf the status text says that the transfer is in process then you must have already promoted the transfer agent to moderator, and clicked the "Give Go Ahead to Transfer" button. If that's not true then something is confused. You should have previously seen the screen shown at the bottom of Step 2 in GMF's wiki page, that's where the go-ahead button is: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups#Step-2-E28094-Invite-the-Transfer-Agent If both of those are true, and you're at the screen shown at the bottom of Step 4 then there's nothing more you need do but wait for the completion notice. Also, the status page will change to show completion as shown in the Afterward section. If all looks well with the status page I'd suggest giving it a few more days to complete, especially if the Yahoo group has a large amount of content. Sometimes the agent runs into delays or other trouble accessing content from Yahoo. Watch your email for notices, and check the status page every day or so. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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How long to wait for transfer
#transfer
Hello -?
I initiated a transfer of messages from our Yahoo group on Nov 19th. The status says that the transfer is in process and it appears that the transfer agent accepted the invitation to the Y group since it now shows as a member. I do understand that there is manual intervention required by groups.io. I'm trying to be patient but I'm wondering at what point, if any, I should take additional action. |
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Re: Abusive person, how to get rid of him?
I agree. About fifteen years ago I was co-moderator of a group that was a mess. Flame wars, off-topic posts. It was a group devoted to one facet of industrial history in the Northeast, When a thread about the best route to Florida from Chicago (???) turned into a thread about where you used to be able to get the best hot dogs, the owner said ENOUGH!! He told me that we had to clean up the group or he was going to delete it.
Moderation works. And we didn't delete many messages. But when we did it was without any explanation. (That just sets off an argument.) We also discovered that some of the borderline abusive posts lost their edge if we just held them, maybe for 24 hours. Then release them and, no one reacted or cared. The discussion had moved on, the participants were no longer steamed up. The trolls gave up, one by one. We had a few left, one or two, but they were mostly ignored as a boring distraction.? The group became so well-behaved and relevant, a historical society devoted to pretty much the same thing, asked would we be interested in affiliating with them. Become their OFFICIAL message board. Would we be interested? We would! tommy0421 |
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Groups.io site updates
#changelog
Hi all,
This week's change log, possibly covering Thanksgiving week as well: Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change. If there's anyone here who uses the API please identify and comment on any API-related changes that would be significant to API users. I don't and wouldn't know what to comment on. CHANGE: Text changes to the Update File/Update Folder dialogs in theHad been Edit File/Edit Folder. The more significant change is the addition of a sentence under the Browse control that says what it does. NEW: Added advanced subscription option badges to the Delivery columnThanks Frances! CHANGE: Because of a policy change at Gmail, we are now re-writing theAs many here noticed, the recent policy change at Gmail was the addition of a warning banner on received messages that are From yourself. /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/28241984 CHANGE: Show your email address in the footers for digests and summaryOk, I've got wiki pages to update. Comments about these others are also welcome: BUGFIX: We would not display messages correctly if they were plain Please call out any you find significant. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Changing email address
Alan,
I have a few groups that I am the owner of and I am subscribe to manyYes. In fact, changing your email address via your Account page is the only way to change your subscribed address. The only thing else you can do is re-subscribe under the new address, but that loses the connection to your content and fails to carry forward your role (owner, moderator), permissions, or subscription options. If your group is Premium a moderator of the group (possibly yourself) can edit your email address from your entry in the Members list of the group, but I'm not certain what ramifications that might have for your other group memberships. It is probably the same as editing it in your Account page, but I'm not 100% certain of that. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Changing email address
If you change it on your Account page, it should be changed everyplace.? I haven't done this, so can't guarantee it, but according to the Wiki page here, it should be a snap.? Maybe someone that has can verify before you change it, in case there are any 'gotchas' to watch for.
Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Re: Gmail Spam Warning on Groups IO messages
Hmph.
Duane wrote: It looks like Mark has a work-around, so you shouldn't see this anyHopefully this is not a harbinger of things to come, but there are indications (from an engineer at Gmail Mark contacted) that it might be. Thus far I've been very happy (as a Gmail user) that they have chosen to accept messages that pass through mailing lists with intact From addresses, using their own Spam detection to override the sending service's DMARC policy. A consequence of Mark's work-around, I no longer see my posts as From "me", they are now from someone named "Shal Farley via Groups.Io", but I suppose that's better than a big yellow warning banner. The threat is that something like this might go into effect for messages posted by other users of Gmail, or messages via Groups.io generally. I would rue that because the work-around mangling of From addresses makes it more inconvenient to copy paste the sender's address if I want to reply privately by email. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Not confirmed
On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 01:46 PM, Howard Roseman wrote:
But it still says NC next to his name on the Member list, and I see no way to "confirm" him. Should I just delete and re-enter him?Howard -- As Duane and Shal have mentioned, the account/email address you cited could not have been someone who responded to an invitation, otherwise he wouldn't have an NC badge. The purpose of confirmation is to assure that the new member can receive groups.io emails at the address he signed up with. Until he actually responds to either an invitation or the confirmation email the potential subscriber will continue to be unable to participate in any groups. See /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Status-Badges-in-the-Members-List?for further details. As noted in the wiki, Premium groups can bypass this using Direct Add. I find this a very desirable thing, as I don't want anybody joining my group that I am unable to contact offline. At the same time, many people (including me) are reluctant to click on links in emails that seem to have come out of nowhere. If you know this person and want to resolve the impasse, your best option is to contact them offline (telling them it's okay to click on the link), then send a new confirmation email per Shal's instructions. Regards, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Re: Abusive person, how to get rid of him?
A suggestion to go along with all the others: keep your interaction with the offender to an absolute minimum. The quickest way to discourage activity like this is to make your group a black hole to the offenders. I suggest keeping new members moderated. When you identify a repeat offender who signs up under new names, don't reply, just shut them off. They join, post offensively, and nothing happens-- no reply, the post is not distributed to the group. The only response is silence. This is the most discouraging situation imaginable to a troll.They quickly move on to someplace that gives them the angry response they crave.
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Re: Subgroup question about owners and moderators
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 06:07 PM, Beth Weld wrote:
I am the owner of a group with subgroups, and we have a moderator set up in the main group who can create subgroups.? She just created her first subgroup, and as an owner I thought I should be able to see it. I can direct add a new member and can add her to that subgroup, but it isn't in my list in Your Groups nor in the Subgroups list in main over on the left hand side. I can see it in main/admin/subgroups. Of course I can't verify the settings since I can't get in thereAs the owner of the main group, you should have access to everything.? Unless you are a member of the subgroup(s), you won't see it/them on your list of groups.? To get to the subgroup, you need to select the Subgroups menu on the left (NOT the one under the Admin option), then choose the subgroup you're interested in.? Once you select that, you will have the 'standard' menu on the left (Home, Admin, etc.), but it will be related to the subgroup.? The Home button should have "Parent Owner" on the blue badge next to it (or your status if you're a member). Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Re: Merging Groups
Allen,
Does this mean that they couldn't be added to an existing group thatWhether the destination group already has messages or not isn't the issue. The problem is that there's no mechanism available to users that can bulk import message content, or other content (other than the Yahoo Group transfer mechanism). Presumably Groups.io support could do it, probably using tools created in the development of the Yahoo Transfer mechanism. If so I would expect it to have the same effect: the bulk copied messages would get assigned message numbers as they are added to the group (possibly intermingling with normal posting to the group) but would retain their original posting date so that they sort in the Messages/Topics lists as if posted on those dates. A different approach was used by a group migrating from Big Tent, but that mechanism would have the defect of giving the old posts new dates (and probably, a new poster). /g/GroupManagersForum/message/11476 Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Not confirmed
Howard,
But it still says NC next to his name on the Member list, and I see noNo need to do that. Click on his row in the Members list to open his subscription page. On a Basic (free) group down at the bottom there's a button to "Send Confirmation Email". Once you send that he can confirm his email address by replying to the confirmation request. As Duane said, responding to your invitation would also have confirmed his email address, so this member must have used the email command or the "Join" or "Request" button on your group's web home page. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Post preview for links... like Google+ and Facebook and Twitter...
#postpreviews
Michael,
Many groups exist for our profession (libraries), and many I use onLink previews has been suggested, but it didn't get much attention: and seconded: The original post (8607) is locked, but you could chime in on the "second" (15611) or start your own topic about it. Also, feel free to kick it around and refine it here before posting about it "officially" in beta. Instead of using "new topic" and posting an email, there would be aThat actually sounds like something else entirely. More like the Links section of a Yahoo Group, but with auto-generated previews. I like better Maria's idea of having the "link with preview" being a tool of the message composition window and otherwise handled inline as normal message content. I'd support having that tool in Wiki page composition as well. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: capital vs. lower case letters in group names/email addresses
tiapam,
Is groups.io just super caps/lower case blind and it did not evenI think Groups.io simply registered the change without noticing what had changed. That it (properly) ignores the case for incoming email processing is almost an unrelated fact; the only connection being that it dare not allow two groups to be created whose name differs only in the case used for one or more letters. Also wondering about any tips or philosophies for naming groups,You may notice that this group's name uses mixed case to demarcate embedded words: GroupManagersForum. That choice was made long ago by the founder of GMF's sister group at Yahoo Groups, but I'd likely make the same choice today. A more traditional approach would be the use of hyphens, as in Group-Managers-Forum, which is initially more readable, but gets tiresome (to my eye) with repeated use, whereas the use of embedded capitals reads more like a proper noun (which it is) than a phrase. The other common approach, using underscores to join words, is not available in Groups.io (due to domain naming restrictions). I have some longer names but might wind up with subgroups, so lookingSubgroups are where the domain name restrictions come in - the primary group name becomes the unifying domain name for the primary group and all of the subgroups. For example, in Groups.io's beta group there are: [email protected] -- primary [email protected] -- a subgroup for API users You can give a more descriptive name for the primary group if that helps. For example, in my PTA group I changed the primary group from "main" to "members" - because all PTA unit members are eligible to be members of the primary group. I then have subgroups for "board", "teachers", "staff", and ad-hoc subgroups for various volunteer efforts. That makes email addresses like "members at PTA-unit.groups.io" and "board at PTA-unit.groups.io" read naturally, and makes it fairly clear who you are addressing. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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