I'm not close to my limit, but getting this message. Any help would be appreciated.

If a Bounced (or Bouncing) subscriber tries to post a message to (one of) their group(s):
a) will it be accepted?
b) will it reset their status from Bounced (or Bouncing) to Bouncing (restarting that status) or normal?
c) if it is accepted, is their status only changed if they also receive (without rejecting) that post?

Donald,

Outlook allows you to email yourself.

That's not the same thing.

What makes your own messages returning from an email list different is that they were delivered to your email service by some other service (Groups.io in this case). So your email service (or your email client interface) may interpret that situation as fraudulent (that email address belongs to this service, not that other service.

So it comes down to the email provider. I believe Gmail has a setting
that can be toggled on/off for messages you send out that you also
receive back from a list.

Not that I know of.

Groups.io however does have an option in your Account Preferences which defeats Gmail's detection of an inbound message as "matching" one you just sent, so that Gmail won't hide the returned copy. That's the "I always want copies of my own messages" checkbox.

I don't know if that applies outside of the web interface for Gmail,
though, like when you receive messages from Gmail by POP or IMAP.

It does. When Gmail "hides" a message (from you) that is returned from an email list it does not put that copy into your Inbox, so neither POP nor IMAP will retrieve it (actually IMAP /can/ retrieve it, Gmail hides the returned message in the Sent folder).

Shal


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Don,

I'm assuming the purpose of the #hashtag in the Subject field, is for
keeping all posts responding to this example "My name is Mark #intro"
together for archival reasons. Is that correct?

It goes beyond responses (replies).

The initial purpose was to provide a tag that can be applied to topics as a target for search, mute, and follow functions. These features allow members to find topics of interest (search), and to control whether or not they receive topics by email (mute and follow).

So in the #intro example, a member could seek out other member's introductions ("I'm Shal #intro and I moderate here") by searching the group's topics for the tag #intro. Or could exclude introductions from his/her email deliveries by muting that hashtag. Or, if the member receives only topics he/she follows, can receive introductions by following that hashtag.

Since then a lot of other topic-control functionality has been added to hashtags. Those functions are controlled by the various hashtag options listed under "Uses of hashtags" in the help for Hashtags.
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Shal


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Adding my 2 cents:?Cookies are NOT viruses. Cookies use a plain text format. They are not compiled pieces of code so they cannot be executed nor are they self-executing. Accordingly, they cannot make copies of themselves and spread to other networks to execute and replicate again. Since they cannot perform these functions, they fall outside the standard virus definition.

Cookies CAN be used for malicious purposes though. Since they store information about a user's browsing preferences and history, both on a specific site and browsing among several sites, cookies can be used to act as a form of spyware.?

Shal . . .

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 18:53:58 -0700, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
wrote:

I don't use Outlook so I'm not
sure, but it is possible that it sees a message coming back to you
claiming to be from you and it decides that's not legit.

Outlook allows you to email yourself. That's how I test an Outlook
setup. If you can send and receive an email to yourself, then it's
working correctly and al the settings are OK.

That's not to say that certain email providers can't change that
behavior, though. If the provider won't send your own message to
yourself, it doesn't matter that Outlook would have it the provider
didn't interfere with delivery of your own messages.

So it comes down to the email provider. I believe Gmail has a setting
that can be toggled on/off for messages you send out that you also
receive back from a list. At one time, the default was to not send a
message that you already sent out, so you would not see it come back
to your inbox. That may still need to be toggled off to see copies of
your own sent messages.

I don't know if that applies outside of the web interface for Gmail,
though, like when you receive messages from Gmail by POP or IMAP. If
it applies to Gmail received either of those two ways, and if the
questioner is using Gmail that way, then I would go to the web
interface and find that setting to make sure it's turned off.

Donald


Join the Icom group, a general Icom discussion group on Groups.io:
/g/ICOM (just launched)

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I don't think you need to apologize _that_ much.

As I was saying, addblocking is a fact of life for webdesigners these days, and this could have been more gracefully handled.
I'm not saying it *should* have been, just that many would have checked this most central of pages, in the most common adblockers.

More importantly, this would have been much less of a problem, at least for me, if the compulsory footer was not quite so eager to "nudge" us towards the website.
But enough of this. I have gotten what I came for, and then some, to thank you all :-)

G.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 01:02 AM, toki wrote:

This is before one considers the security risks of self executing
cookies so beloved of FaceBook, Oath, and their kith and kin that engage
in conduct that requires divine intervention to be described as merely
malicious in intent and output.

There isn't such thing as "self executing cookies".

Shal,

I'm assuming the purpose of the #hashtag in the Subject field, is for keeping all posts responding to this example "My name is Mark #intro" together for archival reasons. Is that correct?

Don

Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

CHANGE: When exporting Yahoo Groups, scan messages for U+FFFD
characters and remove them.

That would be the "Replacement Character", used to replace an unknown, unrecognized or unrepresentable character. Visually it looks like a white question mark in a black diamond: ? (Not all fonts or systems will display that).

This is of interest because Yahoo Groups went through several periods where they were handling the different character sets used in email messages (and files) drastically wrong; with the result that some texts had many characters replaced with that symbol.

BUGFIX: Added missing 'Reply To Group & Sender' option in full
digests.

Another reminder that I need to update the "Your Friend, the Footer" wiki page.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

NEW: If NormalizeHTMLEmails is set, normalize any added member
signatures as well.
NEW: Added 'TR:' as a subject reply indicator.
CHANGE: Made our Message-ID header line parsing code smarter, to deal
with a crazy message-id of the form "salkdjjks@alksjdklas (extra
unexpected stuff here)"
CHANGE: Now removing any erroneous nulls from decoded message subject
lines.
INTERNAL: Work on automated provisioning/configuration of new
machines.
SYSADMIN: Created a new, larger search cluster, and reindexed the
site.
BUGFIX: When aliasing a hashtag to another tag, existing topics were
not being properly updated in the search index. So searches on the
aliased-to tag would not show the aliased-from topics. This was due
to two issues in how we were updating the search index.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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Don,

What is the difference between a Hashtag and a Subject in email
posting?

The Subject in an email is a text field typically containing about one line of text. The Subject field is a header field. Along with To, From, and Date it is one of the fields most commonly displayed by email user interfaces.

In Groups.io, a hashtag is a word or unspaced phrase within a Subject, prefixed by a # symbol ("hash mark", "number sign", ... that character has lots of names). Or as Duane put it:
/static/help#hashtags

For example:

Subject: This #subject has two #hashtags in it

Subject: This subject has no # hashtags.

Subject: #ThisSubjectHasOnlyOneStupidlyLongHashtag

Shal


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Jack,

Now. Calendar starting Monday through to Sunday.
The requests never end (:>!

Of course. :-)

I warned Mark about calendars...


Shal
(You're welcome!)


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Harlan,

I’m not sure if this message should go to group help forum or group
managers forum, so will start with group managers first.

No problem. There is no clear distinction.

GMF's emphasis is on helping group managers, but neither group enforces a distinction between management topics and member topics.

When they have contacted their technical support people for mymts.net
that get the following message—BUT since they don’t have a copy of the
‘bounced’ or blocked message, they have NOTHING to send to the tech
support people.

The full message isn't available, but the members can look up the response code that mymts.net gave when they bounced the message. There are two places they can find it:

Go to your Account and have a look at the Recent Bounces page.

Go to your Subscription page (in any group) and look in the Email Delivery History tab.

The Subscription page will have information about bounced messages from that particular group; the Account page will have information about all of the messages sent to the user.

The error code and text given in the Reason column should be enough information for the support people to go on.

Shal


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Jan,

when she tries to subscribe to our IO list she gets a bounce message
back saying "spam" - how might she fix that??

If she's trying to send a message to your group's +subscribe address, Duane's suggestion to have her try joining from your group's home page (on the web site) might sidestep the problem.

Another thing you could try is sending her an Invitation to the group. She can accept the invitation either by replying to it via email, or by clicking on a link to the web site. Either might work.

Shal


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John,

Hi, I am a member of several groups I o lists and when I send a
message to any of these I don’t receive the message back so cannot
verify that it has been distributed. I am using MICROSOFT Outlook
2010 and Windows 7

The problem may have more to do with your email service provider than with your software, but just in case make sure you check any spam/junk filters or settings Outlook may have. I don't use Outlook so I'm not sure, but it is possible that it sees a message coming back to you claiming to be from you and it decides that's not legit.

The same thing can happen with your email service provider. Ones powered by Microsoft (Outlook.com, Hotmail, and others) also tend to filter out messages returning to you that claim to be from you (but were actually delivered to them by a different service, in this case Groups.io).

Shal


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Martin,

The bouncing message is unnecessary and irritating, It is quite common
to have two moderators. I don't want to go and check every time if my
colleague has already approved a post.

I concur. This annoyance has largely trained me not to approve by email anymore.

I'll admit there are some good parts about that. One is that I get to see if any co-mods have claimed a message. Another is that if there's more messages the next one opens automatically and it takes just one more click to handle it.

A Third is that I get to see the list of pending messages - sometimes a member will post a message then post an immediate retraction. So seeing two messages in a row in the same topic from the same member is a red flag to go read them all before approving the first.

If you want to keep it, fine, but can we have a toggle to switch it
off?

I think it has been mentioned before, but you can always post to Groups.io's official "suggestion box":


Shal


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On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 07:14 PM, Ullman Garrett wrote:

So #space is not considered a hashtag??

Nope, /static/help#hashtags-1

Duane
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