Re: Curious problem logging in
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 10:30 am, °²¹±ô±ô¨ª³¾²¹°ì³ó´Ç²õ wrote:
Yes, and that is what I thought too, but after many attempts, and typing very slowly making certain everything was right, I realized that it was not me, but the site. I even wondered if I had somehow been hacked.
I can't tell you how many times I've been unable to log in somewhere because I was unaware that I had caps lock on, or something simple like that.? Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: User deleting own post
Dano, Something that has not been mentioned is Copyright Law. Like you,
Shal, I believe a person has the right to their own creations
(writing, artistic, etc.) by copyright law. To prevent a member from
deleting their own content may be an illegal 'taking' by removing
control from the author/creator, and retaining it by the group owner. No, I don't think Copyright applies in that way. And even if it did, by posting on Groups.io you've given a perpetual and irrevocable license to display your content. /static/tosWhen I say that I think a user ought to have the ability to delete their content, and terminate the license to display it, I mean that as a "moral right", not a legal one. In this, I'm inspired by the former Yahoo TOS, which did provide that Yahoo's license to display your content ends when you or they remove it from the site. I haven't checked Oath's new terms to see if that provision survives. Having said that, the question of a person replying to such a post and
quoting part of the material originally posted would seem to fall into
a gray area. Is such quotation allowed under the shared commons
allowances as a reasonable use for educational discussions and common
discourse? That's probably something lawyers could argue over. But at least in the U.S. quoting only part of the post improves your case for treating the quote as "fair use". Remember too that (under U.S. law) copyright enforcement is primarily about the commercial value of the work. If the work has no commercial value then there are no damages to be recovered in an infringement suit (statutory damages are only available if you've promptly registered the work on publication). Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: User deleting own post
On Jul 6, 2018, at 9:56 AM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
Something that has not been mentioned is Copyright Law. Like you, Shal, I believe a person has the right to their own creations (writing, artistic, etc.) by copyright law. To prevent a member from deleting their own content may be an illegal 'taking' by removing control from the author/creator, and retaining it by the group owner. I don¡¯t think email falls under ¡°creation¡± but under letters. And letters do belong to the person to whom they are written aren¡¯t they? Having said that, the question of a person replying to such a post and quoting part of the material originally posted would seem to fall into a gray area. Is such quotation allowed under the shared commons allowances as a reasonable use for educational discussions and common discourse? I haven¡¯t checked the current version but the law used to say "500 words or less" for educational, etc, purposes, and without the intention of replacing the original. I have one group in which users are not allowed to edit or delete their messages because contentious discussions often involve what a person said or didn¡¯t say. Erasing the record makes things even more difficult. On another list where the archives are often searched for documents and dates, users can edit or delete the posts because we don¡¯t want false information going into history. The other reasons for at least the moderator being able to edit or delete is for things that were posted accidentally or in ignorance ¡ª phone numbers, addresses, personal vacation dates, etc. And possibly slanderous statements, particularly political candidates whose supporters get irate. Sharon
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Chat Room Problem: Chat text entered in the entry box sometimes does not appear in the Chat Dialog
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?Chat text entered in the entry box sometimes does not appear in the Chat Dialog.? I have ten separate chat rooms set up in K2L Groups.? Some are in use more than others.
At various times and in various chat rooms, entering text and then clicking on "send" does not actually send the text.?? The text in the entry box just disappears and nothing happens.? It never shows up.? This seems to be temporary - later everything is working fine.?
This is very annoying and defeats the purpose for which they were set up.? Any suggestions or recommendations?? Could this be a bug, slow server or what.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.????? Bill
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Re: Notification of Files Uploaded
Thank you. I knew it was there somewhere but since I was looking for it and not uploading a file, I couldn¡¯t find it.
Do others think it might be helpful to have a universal option to notify the list whenever a file is uploaded. A question by the option about who can upload files so it notifies the owners, moderators, or subscribers.
A member of one of my groups uploaded a file this morning and notified the list but often people forget. I would like to be notified whenever something is posted so I can monitor it.
Sharon
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On Jul 6, 2018, at 12:48 PM, Toby Kraft <toby@...> wrote:
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There is no setting to default this checkbox nor a group setting to 'always notify' - which you probably wouldn't want to do, for example, when uploading a bunch of files, the group would get notified on each one.
Thanks
Toby
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Re: User deleting own post
jonathon, It falls under _The Right to be Forgotten_ statutes, not GDPR. Either way, the point is that the right to be forgotten is not absolute. As others have replied, it does not necessarily mean that one can expect to be erased from the history of a group's messages. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: User deleting own post
On 05/07/18 08:19 PM, Shal Farley wrote: I don't believe it has been established if or how the GDPR will apply to It falls under _The Right to be Forgotten_ statutes, not GDPR. jonathon
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Re: Curious problem logging in
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 09:32 am, David Grimm wrote:
And every single time, upon further research, I had mis-typed the password.
Yes, and that is what I thought too, but after many attempts, and typing very slowly making certain everything was right, I realized that it was not me, but the site. I even wondered if I had somehow been hacked. And since no-one else seems to have had this experience here, I am beginning again to wonder if that is not the case.
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Re: Notification of Files Uploaded
 There is no setting to default this checkbox nor a group setting to 'always notify' - which you probably wouldn't want to do, for example, when uploading a bunch of files, the group would get notified on each one.?? Thanks Toby
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Notification of Files Uploaded
Is there a way for the list to be notified when files are uploaded? We allow everyone to upload files but I just realized no one has been notified when files were uploaded. Sharon ---- Sharon Villines [email protected]"Neighbors Talking to Neighbors¡± Takoma Park DC and MD
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Re: Curious problem logging in
Never had it happen with Groups.io, but have had it with other sites that require a periodic log-in. After several attempts to assure my self it was the site and not me, I gave up and created a new password. And every single time, upon further research, I had mis-typed the password. Either a mispelling, a missed capitalization or a missed special character. Or forgotten I had already changed the password. Not saying definitely that's what happened to you, but it's definitely a strong possibilty.?
Dave
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Re: one member having problems posting
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 08:29 am, Nancy P wrote:
In the past month, one of our members had 7 of her messages (out of about 20), not get posted to the group.? I can see the header of a message she sent on 6/30, and the email address of the group is correct.? Her activity isn't showing up as bouncing, nor are her emails being returned to her either by her server or by groups.io.? She has a gmail address.? ?No one else is having this issue.? ?Any ideas on why this might be happening?
The Bouncing indicators apply only to messages sent FROM the group, not to the group. What is this 6/30 message you are referring to? Is it a copy of something she sent that didn't make it through? If it's something else, it won't be useful for troubleshooting. Lots of people have more than one email address and it's common for someone to attempt to post a group message using an address that is not subscribed. That would be the first place to look. Hope this helps, Bruce ? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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one member having problems posting
In the past month, one of our members had 7 of her messages (out of about 20), not get posted to the group.? I can see the header of a message she sent on 6/30, and the email address of the group is correct.? Her activity isn't showing up as bouncing, nor are her emails being returned to her either by her server or by groups.io.? She has a gmail address.? ?No one else is having this issue.? ?Any ideas on why this might be happening?
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Re: Desirable member subscription preferences
Shall
Thanks for the heads-up correction.?
I agree with your assessment of remembering the last settings. Perfect. ?Too many trees to notice the forest.?
Ken
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Re: Desirable member subscription preferences
On 7/6/2018 01:20, Shal Farley wrote: ? Ability to set ¡®newest first¡¯ as a default for topic and message
list interfaces.
? Ability to set default sort method for photos and albums. I actually disagree with both of those. I prefer that the site simply remember my most recent sort choices until I change them.
But those defaults would not be too annoying (to me) if they applied only at each new login. As long as my sort choice doesn't reset to the default simply because I navigated away from the messages list and back again.
Perhaps it would be possible to do both by having a checkbox to activate set default and drop down to select the ordering.? If the box is unchecked, the the drop down is ignored and the current behavior is preserved. Best, Glenn
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Re: User deleting own post
If the individual lives in Europe, you don't have that option.
If they want the data deleted, comply or be fined a fairly
significant amount - the greater of E10,000,000 or 10%
of gross worldwide revenue. I support the notion? that a member ought to have the ability
to remove their own contributions, but until this interpretation
of the GDPR is proven in the context of group contributions
I believe statements like that to be rank fear-mongering.
Something that has not been mentioned is Copyright Law. Like you, Shal, I believe a person has the right to their own creations (writing, artistic, etc.) by copyright law. To prevent a member from deleting their own content may be an illegal 'taking' by removing control from the author/creator, and retaining it by the group owner. As such, it may be subject to legal action by the original author. If groups.io were to make the system such that a person could no longer control their own postings, that might also make groups.io subject to legal action, which is why I suspect Mark has not done that. The internet is full of copyright abuses, taking images from different sources and sharing them, sharing written things like quotations and stories without even giving the original author credit, or sharing sound recordings. The GDPR appears to have been written to control that, and I would expect that the courts would continue to recognize copyright law. Having said that, the question of a person replying to such a post and quoting part of the material originally posted would seem to fall into a gray area. Is such quotation allowed under the shared commons allowances as a reasonable use for educational discussions and common discourse? I am not a lawyer, although I have been involved with copyright law for many decades. As group owners, we need to recognize the law and make reasonable efforts to protect those rights, or we may see enforcement like the GDPR enacted in the US as well. Dano
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Curious problem logging in
Today when I tried to log in to my group, it did not recognize my password. After several attempts I had to have a link sent to me to enter and created a new password. Is this something the groups.io does periodically for some security reason, or what......?
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Answering Messages In Digest Mode With the Braille Note 4
Hello. A co-list member has written a message asking about how to answer messages in digest mode. I¡¯m going to copy an edited version of her question here to see if anyone has the answer. I¡¯m taking out names of mentioned list members whom she was trying to reply to. If anyone has any info about this it would be much appreciated. ? I was hoping to reply privately, but I'm subscribed in daily summary mode, and I'm having a devil of a time replying either on or off list. I may have inadvertently sent blank messages to ___ and the list. The problem is that for some reason, on my BrailleNote Touch running Android 4, I'm not finding the edit field in which to write my message. I'm sure it's a lot easier on my computer, but at times I would like to be able to do this on my BrailleNote Touch as well, so this is really frustrating. If any of you know of a way I can reply to such messages with my email program, you can email me at the address below. ? So anyhow, that¡¯s the problem the list member is having and if anyone knows anything about this I¡¯d appreciate the help. Thanks. Patty L. Fletcher Self-Published author and Owner of Tell-It-To-The-World Marketing Email: patty.volunteer1@... ?
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Re: coping with high traffic
but that would work only in groups where topic drift does not occur - has anyone ever observed such a group in the wild? 8)
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markus
Frances <frances@...> hat am 6. Juli 2018 um 11:56 geschrieben:
You could suggest that people use advanced preferences so that they just get the first message in any thread. The individual member can then decide to follow that thread if they wish.?
Works for for people who don¡¯t want a huge amount of email. I use it for this group!
Frances
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Re: coping with high traffic
You could suggest that people use advanced preferences so that they just get the first message in any thread. The individual member can then decide to follow that thread if they wish.?
Works for for people who don¡¯t want a huge amount of email. I use it for this group!
Frances
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