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Re: Closing chats - moderators? #Discussion

 

I think a question like this should be sent to [email protected] If it's a bug, Mark will let you know and fix it, though it may take awhile based on his recent posts about all the transfers happening. If it's acting as he intended, then you could suggest a change on beta@ for discussion.

Duane
Re: Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

 

Members can use whatever email address they want. And it is easy to change or update it. Additionally members can have a second (alternate) address as well.?
Check in the top right of any group, including this one - click on your name and you will see the change email address. Click to open the Email Alias section to add an alternative address as well.
/account

Frances
Re: Closing chats - moderators? #Discussion

 

I'll pop it over to beta. Frankly, it's pretty useless as it is. Only an owner can manage a chat in any form.
Thanks everyone, at least I know that it's not me missing the forest for the trees.
Ginny
Re: Closing chats - moderators? #Discussion

 

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Thanks for bringing this up. I ran into the same issue yesterday when testing the chat feature in a subgroup where I want to allow any subscriber to start a chat. I realized that, when setting the ¡°chat¡± field to ¡°Subscribers¡± under Settings and logging in as a regular subscriber I would see the ¡°New Chat¡± tab on the Chats page but not the control box (with the edit/close/delete menu) next to a specific chat.? That the initiator of the chat wouldn¡¯t be able to edit it or close it seemed puzzling enough. What I had not realized is that not even the moderators are able to manage the chats. That is even more puzzling. Looks like something that should be brought up.? I am new to Groups.io but would be happy submit the question to [email protected] if that is the right place to go to.


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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ginny T.
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Closing chats - moderators? #Discussion

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Thanks Duane - that was my thought as well so at least I know I'm not off the rails on that.
But - I'm helping a group transition and we're "in training". I've got one gal doing great learning to be a moderator, but for the love of us she can open but not close a chat. The gray management box that should open in the chat title list just isn't there. We've put her into two different subgroups and it's the same thing. If I make her an owner, then she gets the options box.

I've gone back to both her settings and the group settings to double check everything, and that's when I stumbled (in group settings) that the control says "who can START new chats - doesn't say anything about "managing" them. As strange as it may seem, it would appear that it's on purpose and only an owner can close or delete, given that statement.

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 08:48 am, Duane wrote:

They should be able to close, edit, or delete them as well.
Re: group calendar

Kev Fletcher
 

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Yes. While creating an event, the reminder option is at the bottom of the page......

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of forrestwife via Groups.Io
Sent: 18 January 2018 21:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] group calendar

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can the calendar in a?group?send out reminders to those in the group for events on the calendar?

Re: Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

 

Matty,

That's exactly what we did and it caused no problems.

Donald

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 12:37:16 -0800, "Matty Smith"
<mattysmith.smith@...> wrote:

What are the implications of letting some of our members join the Groups.io test site to see what it is like, if we then decide to move to Groups.io and request a transfer? Will the fact that some of the Yahoo members will already be in the Groups.io make for a problem?

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --George Orwell
group calendar

 

can the calendar in a?group?send out reminders to those in the group for events on the calendar?
Re: Closing chats - moderators? #Discussion

 

Hmm, sounds like that 'permission' might be worth asking for on beta@. Or maybe follow the setting for who can start one? Or maybe it's a bug and is supposed to follow it already.

Duane
Re: Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

Matty Smith
 

Hi
Many thnaks for the response. Just a further question-many if our members have a Yahoo email address to access the Yahoo Group but they have other email addresss which they would prefer to use to access a new group. If they joined the test Group.io what would happen if we then migrated? They would be in Groups.io with one email address and in Yahoo with another.
Thanks
Matty
Re: Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

 

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Matty,

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I¡¯m in the same situation as you are as an owner of a Yahoo Groups site, and I have already been working on getting our new home ready for transfer. I got our Groups.io group set up first as a really bare bones site, then I invited my one other moderator so we could get a feel for what it will be like. We uploaded a file, a few pictures, worked on making some links in the Wiki page, made settings changes, and studied the differences between the two sites. We also joined GFM to learn what we could, and came to the conclusion Groups.io would be a viable option to move our group too. There are differences for sure between the two sites, and I¡¯m hoping in time Groups.io will improve things. The biggest short comings to me are no regular links page that allows for folders, and the inability to reorder pictures. What I understand about members that you invited to join the test group, is when the transfer is done those members will still be in the new site.

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Don

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matty Smith
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

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Hi
I am sure this has already been covered but I could not find anything on a quick search.
Our Group is looking to move from Yahoo. There is a lot of interest in Groups.io as an alternative and we have set up a test site to explore it throughly.
What are the implications of letting some of our members join the Groups.io test site to see what it is like, if we then decide to move to Groups.io and request a transfer? Will the fact that some of the Yahoo members will already be in the Groups.io make for a problem?
Thank you
Matty

Re: Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

 

our group has been moved from yahoo to groups.io just 4 days ago, but the site was set up a week before and 7 of us tested it. Our members are absolutely thrilled at how much easier groups.io is. But it is important for some of your group to test it, if only to learn what is a bit different in areas you will face right away. Not wrong, just different.

Barb Jones


From: Matty Smith <mattysmith.smith@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:44 PM
Subject: [GMF] Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

Hi
I am sure this has already been covered but I could not find anything on a quick search.
Our Group is looking to move from Yahoo. There is a lot of interest in Groups.io as an alternative and we have set up a test site to explore it throughly.
What are the implications of letting some of our members join the Groups.io test site to see what it is like, if we then decide to move to Groups.io and request a transfer? Will the fact that some of the Yahoo members will already be in the Groups.io make for a problem?
Thank you
Matty


Re: Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: html)

 

On 18 Jan 2018 at 12:42, Shal Farley wrote:

Dave,

> I notice looking at the source that it has gone through HTML Tidy, >
which presumably Mark uses to tidy up problem HTML code.

I'm not seeing "tidy" in the view source, either in GMF's archive or in
Thunderbird. So what is it that tells you this?

Interesting. When I view the source in Pegasus Mail I agree, the
reference to HTML Tidy is not there. But when I then click on 'open
message in browser' and view the source in Palemoon it has added it at
the start of the header:
<META name=generator content="HTML Tidy for Windows (vers 25 March
2009), see www.w3.org">
I assume Pegasus is adding it when it sends it to the browser. So
ignore this comment, it is not relevant to the original problem.

Note that I have enabled this group to send attachments as links. There
are 3 attachments, presumably to do with the border etc, so I don't
actually see the border. Yet another variable in the melting pot
(although you could have configured Yahoogroups to do the same, but
only on a group wide setting not individually like we can do here).

Dave
Re: Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

J_Catlady
 

No, no problem there. They will simply be noted as already being members and the transfer won't touch them.

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Matty Smith <mattysmith.smith@...> wrote:
Hi
I am sure this has already been covered but I could not find anything on a quick search.
Our Group is looking to move from Yahoo. There is a lot of interest in Groups.io as an alternative and we have set up a test site to explore it throughly.
What are the implications of letting some of our members join the Groups.io test site to see what it is like, if we then decide to move to Groups.io and request a transfer? Will the fact that some of the Yahoo members will already be in the Groups.io make for a problem?
Thank you
Matty


Re: Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: html)

 

Dave,

I notice looking at the source that it has gone through HTML Tidy,
which presumably Mark uses to tidy up problem HTML code.
I'm not seeing "tidy" in the view source, either in GMF's archive or in Thunderbird. So what is it that tells you this?

I believe that the web presentation in Groups.io's Messages pages are "sanitized" by some form of HTML scrubber to guard against exploits. I think Mark has mentioned that in the past. But I don't know if that applies to the message bodies sent through as individual email messages.

I appreciate some of you do use Incredimail ...
I've never understood it, but there are whole communities devoted to sharing Incredimail stationary and other artwork. But then, I'm not into crafting or scrapbooking either...

Another example of how "one size does not fit all".

Shal
Implications of letting people try a Groups.io #transfer

Matty Smith
 

Hi
I am sure this has already been covered but I could not find anything on a quick search.
Our Group is looking to move from Yahoo. There is a lot of interest in Groups.io as an alternative and we have set up a test site to explore it throughly.
What are the implications of letting some of our members join the Groups.io test site to see what it is like, if we then decide to move to Groups.io and request a transfer? Will the fact that some of the Yahoo members will already be in the Groups.io make for a problem?
Thank you
Matty
Re: Missing messages

J_Catlady
 

I also think the reason it doesn't happen with yahoo is that they are not up to date on email protocols and are not subject to this..or something...?

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:29 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
This is a huge problem recently and I just re-notified my group about it.

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:10 PM, <dgrass1@...> wrote:

I wonder why .io was chosen instead of .com or .net?

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Don

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From: [email protected] [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of Marv Waschke
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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One reason is flagged as spam more often than Yahoo! is Yahoo! is better known. Anti-spam tools use rules of thumb for picking out spam. One common rule is to flag mail from unfamiliar domains. Domains that don¡¯t have the older com-net-org-gov-mil-edu suffixes often get extra scrutiny. Since is less familiar, it gets flagged as spam more often. This growing pain may get better over time.

Best, Marv

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From: [email protected] [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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Both members checked their SPAM folders and, yes, all of the messages from our group were going in there.? I know it sound conspiratorial, but maybe Yahoo doesn't like the fact that I switched my group from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io.? Only the two members using Yahoo Mail were having the problem.? At any rate, it's fixed now.? Thanks for all your help.

Ann



Re: Missing messages

J_Catlady
 

This is a huge problem recently and I just re-notified my group about it.

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:10 PM, <dgrass1@...> wrote:

I wonder why .io was chosen instead of .com or .net?

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Don

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From: [email protected] [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of Marv Waschke
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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One reason is flagged as spam more often than Yahoo! is Yahoo! is better known. Anti-spam tools use rules of thumb for picking out spam. One common rule is to flag mail from unfamiliar domains. Domains that don¡¯t have the older com-net-org-gov-mil-edu suffixes often get extra scrutiny. Since is less familiar, it gets flagged as spam more often. This growing pain may get better over time.

Best, Marv

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From: [email protected] [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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Both members checked their SPAM folders and, yes, all of the messages from our group were going in there.? I know it sound conspiratorial, but maybe Yahoo doesn't like the fact that I switched my group from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io.? Only the two members using Yahoo Mail were having the problem.? At any rate, it's fixed now.? Thanks for all your help.

Ann


Re: Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: html)

 

Anita,

I am sending a border here to see if it comes out ok. If I view the
letter at my yahoo account email it does not look strange.
That's interesting.

In Gmail's interface (via Firefox) I see the text only, no background or border. But the text is indented as if the border was there, and scrolls normally. In both preview and "In new window".

In Groups.io's interface (again via Firefox) I also see text only, but in this case not indented, black not colored. And the scroll bar works normally.

In Thunderbird (on Win10) I see text, background and border. The background looks like a repeating pattern of bare tree limbs, slightly blurred and faded. The border looks like a footbridge in a winter setting. However: no scroll bars. To read the whole message I have to use the zoom function to shrink the text.

Three different interfaces, three different renderings of the same message. Gotta love HTML.

Of note, GMF's settings don't imply any alteration of the message HTML. That is:

|_| Force HTML Emails
|_| Normalize HTML Emails
|_| Plain Text Only

are all unchecked.

So as far as using Incredimail is concerned, I think the appropriate summary is "Your Mileage May Vary".

I have decided for now to go back to yahoogroups. Not just for the
graphic problem but because my members got upset when they got deleted
for letters going into their spam and they would not rejoin.
I've addressed that in your other topic, but the short of it is that feature isn't likely to change anytime soon.
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/member_got_deleted/8132752

Shal
Re: Missing messages

 

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I wonder why .io was chosen instead of .com or .net?

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Don

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marv Waschke
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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One reason groups.io is flagged as spam more often than Yahoo! is Yahoo! is better known. Anti-spam tools use rules of thumb for picking out spam. One common rule is to flag mail from unfamiliar domains. Domains that don¡¯t have the older com-net-org-gov-mil-edu suffixes often get extra scrutiny. Since groups.io is less familiar, it gets flagged as spam more often. This growing pain may get better over time.

Best, Marv

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ann
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Missing messages

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Both members checked their SPAM folders and, yes, all of the messages from our group were going in there.? I know it sound conspiratorial, but maybe Yahoo doesn't like the fact that I switched my group from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io.? Only the two members using Yahoo Mail were having the problem.? At any rate, it's fixed now.? Thanks for all your help.

Ann

Re: Problem with Incredimail formatting (was: html)

 

mike,

A google search finds 98,600
That's... incredible.

Actually, the "site:groups.io incredimail" finds "about 71 results" when I tried it. And those results are not all group home pages, some of them are messages in groups with public archives.

Still, even a handful would have been more than I would have expected to mention Incredimail on their home page.

Shal
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