Re: inactive member is bouncing
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 11:56 pm, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote: Interesting. I like comprehensive activity logging but this is one I wouldn't have thought of. It impressed me, too, so much that I almost posted on beta thanking Mark for it. :-) The members' Activity Pages are invaluable, also. Yes, the feature "almost" makes up for not being able to search on a member's posts - the operative word being "almost," since only moderators can do this. I'd sometimes like to be able to find all of a member's posts in a group where I'm not the owner. I guess I'll try emailing the member once. Thanks. J
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I¡¯ve been using PGOffline to archive messages in various Yahoo groups for a while already, and when doing a large number of messages the Yahoo system will cut me off after some unknown-to-me limit is reached. PGOffline provides a way to regulate the throttle and hopefully extend that limit. ? Does Groups.io run into that issue too when copying messages? Is there a throttle? ? Thanks,
Scott
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On 15 Mar 2016, at 06:20, Xaun Loc <xaunloc@...> wrote:
"Yahoo already makes it fairly hard to spam the group-owner address (I've probably gotten a dozen spam emails in as many years via any of my group-owner addresses)."
Thanks, Xaun. As I have had vastly more than a dozen spam emails recently I wonder if it is gmail that is the answer as you appear to use that.
I got very confused when setting up my gmail address once as I somehow got my yahoo address linked to it and wasn't sure how wise that was.
Louise
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Thanks, Shal. That was really helpful. It looks like I may have to change things my end by using my gmail address if I do anything.
Louise
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Re: inactive member is bouncing
J, There was an entry in the activity log today that "email to [member xyz]
is bouncing." This is the first such entry we've had. Interesting. I like comprehensive activity logging but this is one I wouldn't have thought of. I haven't seen one of those yet. Was this in the "Message Activity" tab? I don't see a corresponding action in the search drop-list for any of the tabs - that may be a bug. Another thing I notice is that the Activity logs don't have a text search field - one can only select based on the Actions drop-list and Date selector. That, together with its absence in the drop-list, means I can't search to see if there are any instances of "email to" in my group's logs. And in the Moderator Activity log this means you can't search for Activity by a particular moderator. I checked the member's activity history and the only thing in it is one
bounced email, which was sent today. The member joined more than one
year ago, when we were still on yahoo, and has never posted. I'm not
sure what to do about this besides remove the member from the group. I wouldn't necessarily jettison the member over a single (so far) message bounce. But I might be influenced by what his Email Delivery History tab said about the bounce. Some causes are more likely to be permanent than others. Hmm... I hadn't noticed that each member's page has an Activity History tab - an excerpt of the group's Activity logs specific to that member. Handy. Almost makes up for not being able to search the group's activity logs by the member's name or email. I'm not even sure I want to send him an email. I don't see the harm. Unless you mean just the likely waste of time. It might be that your attempt will bounce for the same reason as the group message did. Or you may discover that he's turned on a "white-list" or "challenge" type of spam filter, but neglected to bypass it for group messages. Shal
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inactive member is bouncing
There was an entry in the activity log today that "email to [member xyz] is bouncing." This is the first such entry we've had. I checked the member's activity history and the only thing in it is one bounced email, which was sent today. The member joined more than one year ago, when we were still on yahoo, and has never posted.?I'm not sure what to do about this besides remove the member from the group. I'm not even sure I want to send him an email. I've virtually never corresponded with this person. Looking forward to thoughts, helpful hints or advice here. Thanks. J
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Yahoo already makes it fairly hard to spam the group-owner address (I've probably gotten a dozen spam emails in as many years via any of my group-owner addresses).
Emails sent to a groupname-owner@... address cannot be BCC and there cannot be multiple group-owner addresses on a single email. This is sufficient to stop casual amateur spammers because the emails cannot be sent to a large number of addresses as a single email. Serious professional spammers use software to generate individual emails for each addressee AND dedicated servers that are paid to allow customers to send out thousands of emails at a time and which change IP addresses frequently to avoid being RBL'ed
Certainly there are tricks that can be used to intercept spam for any address, but those tricks have to be applied at either the receiving mail server or the individual email client.
Spam blocking at the incoming email server often proves to be unsatisfactory for a group-owner address due to the difficulty in developing any generic algorithm that does not generate either excessive false positives or excessive false negatives. Perhaps IO could manage a better spam trap than Yahoo, but I'd expect any aggressive spam trapping to also generate too many false positives.
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-----Original Message----- From: Louise via Groups.io Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 15:28 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] Spam Yes, I realised that - probably should have worded my email differently. What I was wondering was whether it was as easy for spammers to bulk harvest and torment group owners in io as in yahoo groups. Is there no way this could be made harder? Some sort of filter before they get to us maybe? It wouldn't be easy for me to drop my yahoo email addresses at this point but are there email providers who can intercept this type of spam? Louise Sent from my iPad On 14 Mar 2016, at 17:34, Xaun Loc wrote: ANY email address is "potentially open to these attacks [excess quote trimmed by moderator]
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Louise, What I was wondering was whether it was as easy for spammers to bulk
harvest and torment group owners in io as in yahoo groups. Probably, given that the +owner email address is listed on each group's home page. Is there no way this could be made harder? Groups.io has one option that Y!Groups does not: each owner/moderator has the option to control their receipt of messages sent to the +owner address. On the Subscription page one can choose "All", "Subscribers only", or "None". Choosing an option other than "All" carries the risk that a legit non-member (perhaps someone trying to join but having difficulties) would be excluded from communicating with you. So it would likely be a good idea for at least one active moderator in each group to choose the "All" setting. Some sort of filter before they get to us maybe? I'm sure Groups.io uses some form of validation that any system trying to deliver a message is a "legit" email server. Whatever the state-of-the-art meaning of "legit" is these days. But that still lets through messages from compromised email accounts or from legit servers that have inadequate security on inbound messages. Or servers owned by spammers yet which seem "legit enough". It wouldn't be easy for me to drop my yahoo email addresses at this
point but are there email providers who can intercept this type of
spam? Yes. Both my email client (Eudora Classic) and my Gmail account routinely dump spam messages that I've received via an +owner address into my "Spam" folder. They miss some, but fortunately haven't dumped very many (maybe not any) legit messages to +owner. Shal
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Yes, I realised that - probably should have worded my email differently. What I was wondering was whether it was as easy for spammers to bulk harvest and torment group owners in io as in yahoo groups. Is there no way this could be made harder? Some sort of filter before they get to us maybe? It wouldn't be easy for me to drop my yahoo email addresses at this point but are there email providers who can intercept this type of spam?
Louise
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On 14 Mar 2016, at 17:34, Xaun Loc wrote:
ANY email address is "potentially open to these attacks
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ANY email address is "potentially open to these attacks"
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-----Original Message----- From: Louise via Groups.io Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 04:26 AM To: [email protected]Subject: [GMF] Spam I'm being deluged by spam to my yahoo list owner addresses. They're all the unpaid invoice threatening emails that I've read are either phishing attempts or contain links with ransom ware. I am careful of course but worried I might click on something by mistake. Just wondering if io group owner addresses are potentially open to these attacks even if less likely as io has fewer groups so far? Thanks, Louise
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This is certainly not limited to Yahoo Groups. One of my discussion groups on the Temple University server has been receiving spam messages from a non-subscriber. None have reached the list, but I get error notices for every single one and as a result I am deleting between one hundred to two hundred of these messages daily. Once spammers get an email address, they post to it robotically whether successful or not.
Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2016, Louise via Groups.io wrote: I'm being deluged by spam to my yahoo list owner addresses. They're all the
unpaid invoice threatening emails that I've read are either phishing attempts
or contain links with ransom ware. I am careful of course but worried I might
click on something by mistake.
Just wondering if io group owner addresses are potentially open to these attacks
even if less likely as io has fewer groups so far?
Thanks,
Louise
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Any email address, even if it hasn't been used on a public page, is subject to the spam attacks. The ones that are hot-linked, such as on the Home page of our groups, seem to be added to spam lists more often though. It depends on whether the spammers use sequential addressing to every possible address or harvest them from the web. Apparently there are still enough people that click on the evil links to make it worthwhile to the spammers. There are also the "script kiddies" that do it for fun, just to see if they can.
Looking through the activity logs, I already see one or two (some days, many more) attempted posts by non subscribers nearly every day to most of my groups - usually spam.
Duane
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My Groups.io groups are getting attempts to email the group (about one per week) from the phony addresses re 'your electric bill' to email the group. They are logged as attempts by non-subscribers and (of course) rejected. There has been no email to my owner addresses.
I don't know what's going on in yahoo groups. I don't go there any more.
J
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On Mar 14, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Louise via Groups.io <knitlou@...> wrote:
I'm being deluged by spam to my yahoo list owner addresses. They're all the
unpaid invoice threatening emails that I've read are either phishing attempts
or contain links with ransom ware. I am careful of course but worried I might
click on something by mistake.
Just wondering if io group owner addresses are potentially open to these attacks
even if less likely as io has fewer groups so far?
Thanks,
Louise
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I have been getting similar emails to yahogroup -owner email addresses, so I am interested in the answer to this as well.
I'm being deluged by spam to my yahoo list owner addresses. They're all the
unpaid invoice threatening emails that I've read are either phishing attempts
or contain links with ransom ware. I am careful of course but worried I might
click on something by mistake.
Just wondering if io group owner addresses are potentially open to these attacks
even if less likely as io has fewer groups so far?
Thanks,
Louise
Sent from my iPad
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I'm being deluged by spam to my yahoo list owner addresses. They're all the
unpaid invoice threatening emails that I've read are either phishing attempts
or contain links with ransom ware. I am careful of course but worried I might
click on something by mistake.
Just wondering if io group owner addresses are potentially open to these attacks
even if less likely as io has fewer groups so far?
Thanks,
Louise
Sent from my iPad
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Thanks, Duane, I'll do that. J
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote: I don't believe there are any ads yet.? Mark mentioned once that he wanted to get the site out of beta mode before pursuing them.? There are several email services that insert footer ads.? Mark has managed to trap a lot of them, but it's still on Trello:
If you can forward him a copy of the offending emails, I think it makes it easier to add to the filtering.? Besides Avast and Inbox.com mentioned on Trello, he's also done Juno and a couple of others.? It might be worth asking if he can post a list of all of them.? Or maybe just add those on the Trello card, too.
Duane
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Duane, ?I did notice there are ads in the Yahoo GMF group.. ? None in GMF ?,io... The ads are at the bottom of each group message I receive in my inbox . It's ?aol ads.. I noticed that today..
Vickie ?
From: Duane <txpigeon@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:22 PM
Subject: [GMF] Re: ads?
I don't believe there are any ads yet.? Mark mentioned once that he wanted to get the site out of beta mode before pursuing them.? There are several email services that insert footer ads.? Mark has managed to trap a lot of them, but it's still on Trello:
If you can forward him a copy of the offending emails, I think it makes it easier to add to the filtering.? Besides Avast and Inbox.com mentioned on Trello, he's also done Juno and a couple of others.? It might be worth asking if he can post a list of all of them.? Or maybe just add those on the Trello card, too.
Duane
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I've seen a couple from Juno sneak through on my groups, too. Probably a tweak needed to keep them all at bay.
Duane
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p.s. I'm now seeing that this is a juno.com message. So perhaps the juno filtering is not working yet?
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I don't believe there are any ads yet. Mark mentioned once that he wanted to get the site out of beta mode before pursuing them. There are several email services that insert footer ads. Mark has managed to trap a lot of them, but it's still on Trello:
If you can forward him a copy of the offending emails, I think it makes it easier to add to the filtering. Besides Avast and Inbox.com mentioned on Trello, he's also done Juno and a couple of others. It might be worth asking if he can post a list of all of them. Or maybe just add those on the Trello card, too.
Duane
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