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Removing a member

 

Greetings,

I'm the owner of a group that has a set of requirements for membership.? I'm cleaning house, removing members who have failed to meet those requirements.? There's a possibility that one member may try to retaliate when removed.

Can I remove a member without them being notified?? AFAICT, the manual doesn't cover this.


Re: ISP causing emails not to go through?

 

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Carolyn Henry shares,

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¡°I have two members of our group that can't seem to receive emails.? Each are the only members with the address of @frontier.com and @tds.net.? Is there any sort of known issue with either of those?¡±

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Hi Carolyn,

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I have active, non-bouncing members from the frontier domain.

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  1. As Duane has suggested, check the accounts individual activity to see if e-mails are being sent/received to/from the addresses listed.? Are those e-mails being accepted by the ISP/domain?? One of the most often causes of e-mail not being delivered is typos in the e-mail address/log on/password.
  2. Also confirm your two members are trying to receive e-mails with the correct e-mail address.? Having multiple e-mail addresses is common, make sure they¡¯re attempting to use the correct e-mail address to send/receive (sometimes there are little typos).
  3. Were the accounts active when Groups sent out the ¡°Reverify¡± requests about a year ago?? If there¡¯s an ¡°RI¡± icon there, then the account owner never responded to the request and groups no longer sends to that account.? The user should log on to your groups on groups.io for their membership to be verified and removed from the ¡°please reverify¡± request.
  4. Use the membership list to see if they are bouncing by using the bounce filter¡± against the membership list.? If the either/both of the accounts show there, roll your cursor over the red and blue bounce icons.? A more detailed ¡°error message¡± will show up. Read the fine print for clues.? Many are self-explanatory; ¡°Account does not exist¡±, ¡°box full¡±, ¡°Not our customer¡± are all possible reasons your members aren¡¯t getting their mail. Those should be self-explanatory.? Other notices will mention ¡°policy violations¡± or something similar ¨C often they will include a web address where additional information can be found as reasons to why your member¡¯s e-mails aren¡¯t being delivered.? In the case of situations such as this, the individual member will probably have to work with their ISP/mail host to get the block removed.

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This should get you off to a good start on your detective work.

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Please the group know how this plays out.

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Best regards,

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Steve

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Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA
Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 07:03 PM, Cal wrote:
(Mainly, I would like posting privileges from parent group members, but not necessarily receiving or access to a subgroup's posts.)
I believe you can already do that (see screenshot).
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Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 07:03 PM, Cal wrote:
there ought to be a way to allow parent group members have some privileges in the subgroup.? (Mainly, I would like posting privileges from parent group members, but not necessarily receiving or access to a subgroup's posts.)
Any member of the parent group can be made a member of the subgroup. And subscription preferences can be different for the subgroup - all, digest, summary, no mail, etc.
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Frances
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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

I support this, too.? It's one thing to make the whole group private and not be able to change that - but for subgroups, there ought to be a way to allow parent group members have some privileges in the subgroup.? (Mainly, I would like posting privileges from parent group members, but not necessarily receiving or access to a subgroup's posts.)

Cal

From: "Christos Psarras" <christos@...>
To: "GroupManagersForum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2025 6:01:51 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

On 2025-01-19 15:37, Frances via groups.io wrote:
I will report it on Beta - Docs, unless you think I am being overly picky!

Not at all, although I would suggest to tweak your suggestion even further to add some extra example and clarifying/explicit text that should hopefully make the public vs private behavioral connection between a subgroup and a regular group readily apparent.

! Important:? Just like in a regular main group where if its archive is set to private it cannot go back to public anymore, after a subgroup has been created with a public archive it can be set to [partially-private or maybe public-private] (that is, viewable by parent group members and subgroup members) or fully-private (viewable only by subgroup members), but a private archive cannot be anymore changed back to a broader audience such as parent group members or public. All you can change is whether the subgroup is listed in the parent group or not.

Cheers,
Christos
Re: ISP causing emails not to go through?

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 04:09 PM, cmhenry wrote:
I have two members of our group that can't seem to receive emails.
Have you checked their Email Delivery History?? That should tell you if the messages are being sent and if they're being accepted by their provider.? It seems that all email services have problems now and then, though some more than others.
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Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

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On 2025-01-19 15:37, Frances via groups.io wrote:
I will report it on Beta - Docs, unless you think I am being overly picky!

Not at all, although I would suggest to tweak your suggestion even further to add some extra example and clarifying/explicit text that should hopefully make the public vs private behavioral connection between a subgroup and a regular group readily apparent.

! Important:? Just like in a regular main group where if its archive is set to private it cannot go back to public anymore, after a subgroup has been created with a public archive it can be set to [partially-private or maybe public-private] (that is, viewable by parent group members and subgroup members) or fully-private (viewable only by subgroup members), but a private archive cannot be anymore changed back to a broader audience such as parent group members or public. All you can change is whether the subgroup is listed in the parent group or not.

Cheers,
Christos
ISP causing emails not to go through?

 

I have two members of our group that can't seem to receive emails.? Each are the only members with the address of @frontier.com and @tds.net.? Is there any sort of known issue with either of those?
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Thank you,
Carolyn Henry
Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

Please do Frances, the extra clarify may help avoid future questions. Just one thing "to allow access to main groups members" has an extra 's' and I would prefer to talk of visibility rather than access - "to allow visibility to main group members".

best, Malcolm.


On 19 January 2025 20:37:03 (+00:00), Frances wrote:

Duane and Malcolm,
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The Help says: ! Important: ?After a subgroup is created, a public archive can be changed to a private one (that is, viewable only by parent group members or subgroup members), but a private archive cannot be changed to a public one. All you can change is whether the subgroup is listed in the parent group.
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The beta update says the same.
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I think it should say "but a private archive cannot be changed to be viewable by a broader audience. Private archives cannot be changed from subgroup members only to allow access to main groups members and cannot be changed to public archives."
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I will report it on Beta - Docs, unless you think I am being overly picky!
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Frances
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Re: Display Name: moderator cannot edit? #displayname #display-name

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 04:30 PM, Christine B wrote:
We have officers, and I add titles to their display names so they can be well identified. I did just that without problem on the Main group.
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My issue is, none of my changes cascaded to the subgroups, and I don't see an option make a change within the subgroup. I don't even see an option to change my own display name in a subgroup.
It sounds like someone else created the subgroup and is thus its Owner. Add yourself to the subgroup, and make yourself an Owner there, too. Having done that, you should be able to make these changes.
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Regards,
Bruce
Re: Display Name: moderator cannot edit? #displayname #display-name

 

Hello, I am an Owner of a group that has subgroups. We have officers, and I add titles to their display names so they can be well identified. I did just that without problem on the Main group.
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My issue is, none of my changes cascaded to the subgroups, and I don't see an option make a change within the subgroup. I don't even see an option to change my own display name in a subgroup.
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This is getting messy since we just had elections, and it looks like we have two Secretaries now.?
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I did a search in this group and didn't find an issue like mine.
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Thanks,
Christine
Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

Duane and Malcolm,
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The Help says: ! Important: ?After a subgroup is created, a public archive can be changed to a private one (that is, viewable only by parent group members or subgroup members), but a private archive cannot be changed to a public one. All you can change is whether the subgroup is listed in the parent group.
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The beta update says the same.
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I think it should say "but a private archive cannot be changed to be viewable by a broader audience. Private archives cannot be changed from subgroup members only to allow access to main groups members and cannot be changed to public archives."
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I will report it on Beta - Docs, unless you think I am being overly picky!
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Frances
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Help available from Groups.io help and GMF wiki.

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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 12:42 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
Once a viewing restriction has been put into place, that cannot be reversed.
Got it. That's the answer. Many thanks.
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Pete
Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 11:30 AM, Pete Cook wrote:
Correct me if I¡¯m wrong: It is not possible to set up a subgroup such that parent group members who are not also subgroup members can view subgroup messages.
Consider yourself corrected.? In the subgroup, choose 'Group listed in parent group, messages viewable by parent group members' in the Privacy panel.? If you've previously chosen one of the options that says '..., messages viewable by subgroup members only' you won't have that option available.? The only way to 'fix' that is to start another subgroup.
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Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

The only options shown under privacy are:
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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

On 19 January 2025 17:17:48 (+00:00), Pete Cook via groups.io wrote:

Correct me if I¡¯m wrong: It is not possible to set up a subgroup such that parent group members who are not also subgroup members can view subgroup messages.?

It certainly is possible but groups.io operates on a tight privacy basis. Once a viewing restriction has been put into place, that cannot be reversed. So if a subgroup is created with visibility restricted to subgroup members, you cannot open it up to be visible to main group members.

best, Malcolm.

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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

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Allowing all members to see the messages is an option -
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Subgroup listed in parent group, messages viewable by parent group members
The subgroup will be listed on the parent group¡¯s home page, and its message archive will be able to be viewed by all members of the parent group. Message content in the subgroup will not be discoverable by web search engines.
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Frances
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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

Sorry, Frances, my question wasn¡¯t very clear. I would like to set up a subgroup so that parent group members can view subgroup messages even if they¡¯re not members of the subgroup, and it looks like I can¡¯t do that. Correct?
Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 12:30 PM, Pete Cook wrote:
Correct me if I¡¯m wrong: It is not possible to set up a subgroup such that parent group members who are not also subgroup members can view subgroup messages.?
You can make a subgroup with messages that only subgroup members can view.?
Go to subgroup. Settings. Privacy. Visibility. Use the dropdown menu to choose your preference.
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Frances
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Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

Correct me if I¡¯m wrong: It is not possible to set up a subgroup such that parent group members who are not also subgroup members can view subgroup messages.?
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