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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 07:03 PM, Cal wrote:
(Mainly, I would like posting privileges from parent group members, but not necessarily receiving or access to a subgroup's posts.)
I believe you can already do that (see screenshot).
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Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 07:03 PM, Cal wrote:
there ought to be a way to allow parent group members have some privileges in the subgroup.? (Mainly, I would like posting privileges from parent group members, but not necessarily receiving or access to a subgroup's posts.)
Any member of the parent group can be made a member of the subgroup. And subscription preferences can be different for the subgroup - all, digest, summary, no mail, etc.
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Frances
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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

I support this, too.? It's one thing to make the whole group private and not be able to change that - but for subgroups, there ought to be a way to allow parent group members have some privileges in the subgroup.? (Mainly, I would like posting privileges from parent group members, but not necessarily receiving or access to a subgroup's posts.)

Cal

From: "Christos Psarras" <christos@...>
To: "GroupManagersForum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2025 6:01:51 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

On 2025-01-19 15:37, Frances via groups.io wrote:
I will report it on Beta - Docs, unless you think I am being overly picky!

Not at all, although I would suggest to tweak your suggestion even further to add some extra example and clarifying/explicit text that should hopefully make the public vs private behavioral connection between a subgroup and a regular group readily apparent.

! Important:? Just like in a regular main group where if its archive is set to private it cannot go back to public anymore, after a subgroup has been created with a public archive it can be set to [partially-private or maybe public-private] (that is, viewable by parent group members and subgroup members) or fully-private (viewable only by subgroup members), but a private archive cannot be anymore changed back to a broader audience such as parent group members or public. All you can change is whether the subgroup is listed in the parent group or not.

Cheers,
Christos
Re: ISP causing emails not to go through?

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 04:09 PM, cmhenry wrote:
I have two members of our group that can't seem to receive emails.
Have you checked their Email Delivery History?? That should tell you if the messages are being sent and if they're being accepted by their provider.? It seems that all email services have problems now and then, though some more than others.
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Duane
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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

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On 2025-01-19 15:37, Frances via groups.io wrote:
I will report it on Beta - Docs, unless you think I am being overly picky!

Not at all, although I would suggest to tweak your suggestion even further to add some extra example and clarifying/explicit text that should hopefully make the public vs private behavioral connection between a subgroup and a regular group readily apparent.

! Important:? Just like in a regular main group where if its archive is set to private it cannot go back to public anymore, after a subgroup has been created with a public archive it can be set to [partially-private or maybe public-private] (that is, viewable by parent group members and subgroup members) or fully-private (viewable only by subgroup members), but a private archive cannot be anymore changed back to a broader audience such as parent group members or public. All you can change is whether the subgroup is listed in the parent group or not.

Cheers,
Christos
ISP causing emails not to go through?

 

I have two members of our group that can't seem to receive emails.? Each are the only members with the address of @frontier.com and @tds.net.? Is there any sort of known issue with either of those?
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Thank you,
Carolyn Henry
Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

Please do Frances, the extra clarify may help avoid future questions. Just one thing "to allow access to main groups members" has an extra 's' and I would prefer to talk of visibility rather than access - "to allow visibility to main group members".

best, Malcolm.


On 19 January 2025 20:37:03 (+00:00), Frances wrote:

Duane and Malcolm,
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The Help says: ! Important: ?After a subgroup is created, a public archive can be changed to a private one (that is, viewable only by parent group members or subgroup members), but a private archive cannot be changed to a public one. All you can change is whether the subgroup is listed in the parent group.
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The beta update says the same.
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I think it should say "but a private archive cannot be changed to be viewable by a broader audience. Private archives cannot be changed from subgroup members only to allow access to main groups members and cannot be changed to public archives."
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I will report it on Beta - Docs, unless you think I am being overly picky!
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Frances
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Re: Display Name: moderator cannot edit? #displayname #display-name

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 04:30 PM, Christine B wrote:
We have officers, and I add titles to their display names so they can be well identified. I did just that without problem on the Main group.
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My issue is, none of my changes cascaded to the subgroups, and I don't see an option make a change within the subgroup. I don't even see an option to change my own display name in a subgroup.
It sounds like someone else created the subgroup and is thus its Owner. Add yourself to the subgroup, and make yourself an Owner there, too. Having done that, you should be able to make these changes.
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Regards,
Bruce
Re: Display Name: moderator cannot edit? #displayname #display-name

 

Hello, I am an Owner of a group that has subgroups. We have officers, and I add titles to their display names so they can be well identified. I did just that without problem on the Main group.
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My issue is, none of my changes cascaded to the subgroups, and I don't see an option make a change within the subgroup. I don't even see an option to change my own display name in a subgroup.
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This is getting messy since we just had elections, and it looks like we have two Secretaries now.?
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I did a search in this group and didn't find an issue like mine.
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Thanks,
Christine
Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

Duane and Malcolm,
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The Help says: ! Important: ?After a subgroup is created, a public archive can be changed to a private one (that is, viewable only by parent group members or subgroup members), but a private archive cannot be changed to a public one. All you can change is whether the subgroup is listed in the parent group.
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The beta update says the same.
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I think it should say "but a private archive cannot be changed to be viewable by a broader audience. Private archives cannot be changed from subgroup members only to allow access to main groups members and cannot be changed to public archives."
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I will report it on Beta - Docs, unless you think I am being overly picky!
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Frances
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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 12:42 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
Once a viewing restriction has been put into place, that cannot be reversed.
Got it. That's the answer. Many thanks.
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Pete
Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 11:30 AM, Pete Cook wrote:
Correct me if I¡¯m wrong: It is not possible to set up a subgroup such that parent group members who are not also subgroup members can view subgroup messages.
Consider yourself corrected.? In the subgroup, choose 'Group listed in parent group, messages viewable by parent group members' in the Privacy panel.? If you've previously chosen one of the options that says '..., messages viewable by subgroup members only' you won't have that option available.? The only way to 'fix' that is to start another subgroup.
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Duane
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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

The only options shown under privacy are:
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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

On 19 January 2025 17:17:48 (+00:00), Pete Cook via groups.io wrote:

Correct me if I¡¯m wrong: It is not possible to set up a subgroup such that parent group members who are not also subgroup members can view subgroup messages.?

It certainly is possible but groups.io operates on a tight privacy basis. Once a viewing restriction has been put into place, that cannot be reversed. So if a subgroup is created with visibility restricted to subgroup members, you cannot open it up to be visible to main group members.

best, Malcolm.

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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

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Allowing all members to see the messages is an option -
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Subgroup listed in parent group, messages viewable by parent group members
The subgroup will be listed on the parent group¡¯s home page, and its message archive will be able to be viewed by all members of the parent group. Message content in the subgroup will not be discoverable by web search engines.
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Frances
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Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

Sorry, Frances, my question wasn¡¯t very clear. I would like to set up a subgroup so that parent group members can view subgroup messages even if they¡¯re not members of the subgroup, and it looks like I can¡¯t do that. Correct?
Re: Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 12:30 PM, Pete Cook wrote:
Correct me if I¡¯m wrong: It is not possible to set up a subgroup such that parent group members who are not also subgroup members can view subgroup messages.?
You can make a subgroup with messages that only subgroup members can view.?
Go to subgroup. Settings. Privacy. Visibility. Use the dropdown menu to choose your preference.
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Frances
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Viewability of subgroup by parent group members

 

Correct me if I¡¯m wrong: It is not possible to set up a subgroup such that parent group members who are not also subgroup members can view subgroup messages.?
Re: Calendar subscriptions Problems

 

On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 11:13 PM, Dan H wrote:

¡°Your members could mute calendar related hashtags (#cal-invite, #cal-reminder, #cal-notice, #cal-cancelled) so they would no longer receive emails with those hashtags although they would still be visible in your group archive.? You could also set the 'no email' attribute on each of those hashtags which would prevent them being emailed to everyone.¡±

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Can you please tell me how to execute this?

Muting and following hashtags is covered in the Member's Manual

¡°moderate the calendar related hashtags¡±

I don¡¯t see this as easy to activate. Sorry can you explain it to me?

You should also read about Understanding and Using Hashtags which is also in the Member's Manual.
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Use the Hashtags left-side menu option then edit a selected hashtag, Set the relevant properties and save the changes.
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Regards
Andy
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Re: Calendar subscriptions Problems

 

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¡°Your members could mute calendar related hashtags (#cal-invite, #cal-reminder, #cal-notice, #cal-cancelled) so they would no longer receive emails with those hashtags although they would still be visible in your group archive.? You could also set the 'no email' attribute on each of those hashtags which would prevent them being emailed to everyone.¡±

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Can you please tell me how to execute this?

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¡°moderate the calendar related hashtags¡±

I don¡¯t see this as easy to activate. Sorry can you explain it to me?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andy Wedge
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2025 6:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Calendar subscriptions Problems

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On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 10:54 PM, Dan H wrote:

Is there a for individual members to not have calendar invites sent to them?

Your members could mute calendar related hashtags (#cal-invite, #cal-reminder, #cal-notice, #cal-cancelled) so they would no longer receive emails with those hashtags although they would still be visible in your group archive.? You could also set the 'no email' attribute on each of those hashtags which would prevent them being emailed to everyone.

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Is there a way for calendar emails to be sent, but not .ics or other files that load into people calendars?

You could moderate the calendar related hashtags and remove the attachments before releasing the messages to your members but there's no option to just say your don't want those attachments.? I find that having the .ics file details automatically load into members calendars is a great help as it allows members to RSVP to events from their email client instead of having to go to the website.

A person left the group, but claims they are still getting calendar invites?

I would make sure that they don't have a second account subscribed to your group. If they look at the email footer, they will find the subscribed email address next to the unsubscribe link.

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Regards

Andy

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