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Re: dummyfile."n"
Bruce 1) no ¡°View Source" on my menu ?(iPhone) 2) Is there a way to ¡°force¡± displaying a iNet photo link as an an image? ?Some formatting of the link that I¡¯m ignorant of? ?Whenever I paste a link to an online pic, it simply shows up as a link, not the image. 3) does that reduce used storage space? ?(Confirming an obvious answer) ?Seems the way to go if confident the image/link is unlikely to get wiped off the?wwww.?
4). Can I paste a link (showing as an image not link) to a gio pic? Rather than uploading another pic? (reduce precious space used up.) -Ken On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:14 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 10:42 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote: ? ? |
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Re: dummyfile."n"
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 10:42 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
no links, these were copied to the cb and pasted from the cb. ?Copying something from a web site generally puts a link on your clipboard, not the image. If you're not convinced of this, below is a photo from Facebook (I right-clicked it, selected Copy Image from the Chrome popup menu, and pasted directly into this message). Note how the image has not been resized to 640px in the longest dimension, as it would be if it were really uploaded to groups.io. You won't find this image in the Emailed Photos folder, either. Now select "View Source" from the More menu at bottom right. You should see something like this where the image is located:?<img src="https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/...(AND SO ON)" alt="Image may contain: sky, night, cloud, outdoor and nature" /> This is a link to the original image. If I subsequently delete that image from Facebook the photo will go missing from the message archive, too. Hope this helps, Bruce  Check out the groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual |
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Re: dummyfile."n"
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 06:02 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Another somewhat related question on pics/attachments/inserted.??if a pic is pasted from the clipboard, it looks to me that is saved in some obscure filespace (obviously does not show up in the?emailed/attached photos folder.)?Ken -- I am not able to reproduce this behavior. But see below... But I had has issues with pasted pics disappearing sometimes (replaced with the broken image icon.)It sounds like you aren't actually pasting in an image, but a link to an image located somewhere else on the web. Since the actual image is never resident in groups.io, it does not appear in Emailed Photos; and when that image is subsequently moved or deleted at the source, the fetch no longer works, either. If you want to ensure an image is retained in the message archive (or wiki page), using the web interface, you have to save it to your own computer first and use either the "Add pictures" or "Add attachments" dialog. How things behave when sending an email to the group depends on the behavior of your email client, but generally speaking a cut-and-paste operation cannot be expected to create a local copy. See also:??/g/GroupManagersForum/message/756 Hope this helps, Bruce Check out the groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual |
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Re: dummyfile."n"
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Re: Subgroup members
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 04:07 PM, Cal wrote:
I presume you mean that a subgroup Mod can cause someone to be added to the main group that the main group Mod(s) didn't previously know about or approve (and therefore, is beyond the control of the main group Mod(s).? Is that what you meant when you said "gives them [a subgroup Mod] some control over the main group member list"?Yes, precisely. Andy |
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Re: Roadtrek International starting on Groups
Hank,
Now because I had set it up originally, any Welcome/Invite messageIt is not because you founded the group, see the references Duane cited. Invites go out with a constructed email address in the From that facilitates accepting the invitation by a simple reply. The text of the invitation contains the identification of the owner or moderator sending the invitation ("You have been Invited by ..."). That's intentional so that the invitees have some idea who is sending the invitation and why. The Welcome notice goes out From the group's +owner address (e.g. [email protected]). The Welcome text you can customize, and need to adjust anytime you change the group's address. 2) How could I set up a way for anyone (member or not) to send anThat's what the +owner address does. It forwards to all owners and moderators who elect to receive +owner messages. See the bottom of your Subscription page - you may need to adjust the setting to receive +owner messages from non-members. Same goes for any other owners/mods in your group. Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Help figure out DMARC failure
Jim,
@Shal Farley, I'm using "p=reject" intentionally because I am muchTo be clear, if your domain is used only by you or members of your organization to communicate directly with individuals then I think that's perfectly appropriate. That is the designed use case for DMARC. I would rather deal with any resulting issues but have had none soIf your domain is a general mailbox provider then I disagree. You may not have experienced any resulting issues, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Your mailbox users might well wish to use services like Groups.io, or traditional email list services, to communicate indirectly with others; and in those cases you're causing trouble for them and their correspondents. I believe there is a reason Gmail does not use p=reject (nor do they blindly obey the p=reject of others) - I think they understand that there would be adverse consequences for their users if they did.* In my opinion the mailbox providers that do use DMARC this way are acting a bit like Lily Tomlin's character Ernestine: "We don't care, we don't have to. We're the phone company." Maybe someday ARC (RFC 8617) will gain enough adoption to effectively resolve the mailing-list problems with DMARC, but it hasn't happened yet. Shal * That said, Gmail has tightend up a bit on the deliverability of messages with non-aligned envelope and header From, at least in the specific case of messages I receive that have my own address in the header From. They deliver them to my inbox, but with a large warning banner about not being able to authenticate the message. But so far they haven't taken any adverse action against messages from other Gmail users (or non-Gmail users) that I receive indirectly. -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Help figure out DMARC failure
@Mark Berry,
The problem with setting SPF to use that single IP is that there are actually two?addresses listed in the GIO SPF and they are subject to change. Using the "include" statement avoids the need to monitor and stays up-to-date automatically. The current GIO SPF is: ? ? "v=spf1 ip4:66.175.222.12 ip4:66.175.222.108 include:mail.zendesk.com include:smtp.zendesk.com ~all" Yes, it includes zendesk, too, but I don't have a problem with that at all. Also, @Mark Berry, it is all but certain that spammers are using your domain now, judging by those counts. I am very confident it has nothing to do with GIO whatsoever. I strongly recommend using?"p=reject" and "pct=100" as well as "adkim=s" and "aspf=s" to alert receivers accordingly. They still have the option of passing it and flagging it as spam but this is the only real defense available to you because SPF and DKIM are simply not enough, alone or together. @Shal Farley, I'm using "p=reject" intentionally because I am much more interested in stopping spammers using our domains to the maximum extent possible. I would rather deal with any resulting issues but have had none so far. I included the GIO SPF in our SPF.? No one else should be sending email on our behalf at this time. If that changes, I will make adjustments as necessary. FYI, our SPF is: ? ? "v=spf1 +a +mx +include:spf.protection.outlook.com +include:groups.io -all"In case anyone is wondering, the "+" signs create an implicit statement because I have learned you cannot always rely on defaults. See . Our DMARC is: ? ? "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; pct=100; adkim=s; aspf=s; rua=[redacted]"There does seem to be another problem, however, that may be exacerbating the problems experienced by Mark Berry! I am finding that the DKIM Signature Body Hash generated by GIO is failing on two (other than Valimail) testing sites that can perform DMARC, DKIM and SPF checks against GIO headers. I used MxToolBox () and AppMailDev () on quite a few emails received via?O365?and on?Gmail?and, even though both O365 and Gmail shows "dkim=pass" in the "Authentication" section, they all failed during testing. So, I then tested emails from Capital One, Cisco, AT&T, etc., and they all failed DKIM as well. That's a real problem! It leads me to believe DKIM checking may be faulty on both testing sites and perhaps on Valimail, as well, so I will be considering third-party "header check" results as "unverified" or "questionable" going forward. For the time being, I will only treat DMARC reports as valid since they are sourced directly from receiving mail servers. -- Jim |
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Re: Photos and attachments
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 10:13 PM, Larry McDavid wrote:
it is easy to enter many special characters that are not on the standard computer keyboard, using both Windows and Apple computers. Unless it¡¯s windows laptops, no Num pads.? It kills me not being able to enter a null character sometimes, when a space doesn¡¯t make it in certain situations/software.? |
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Re: Roadtrek International starting on Groups
It might be best if you go through the new guide to check all of your group settings.? You can also check the Owners Manual for more detail on many things.
Duane -- The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center. GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki |
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Groups.io site updates
#changelog
Hi all,
This week's change log: Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change. DOCS: The new Getting Started Guide For Group Owners is now live, withNice! Hopefully this will prove a valuable resource that we can cite to help answer questions here. Comments about these others are also welcome: APP: A test version of the Android app is now available and bugs are Please call out any you find significant. Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Help figure out DMARC failure
Mark,
That's the first time I've heard that groups.io header rewriting onlyI misremembered. It is also in effect for senders with p=quarantine. That make sense. For a day or so it also included p=none, but that was rolled back. Comparing email headers from your message ... both follow the formThere are other circumstances where Groups.io applies DMARC rewriting. One is me receiving my own messages back, because otherwise Gmail puts up a big bright and annoying warning about the message not actually being from me. But Gmail's inbound processing doesn't seem to object to other addresses being spoofed, even other Gmail addresses. As I recall there are other domains where messages to self are rewritten, and also receiving domains where all messages are rewritten because otherwise the receiving service rejects or quarantines the message, even though the header From domain didn't request that behavior. I don't recall how (the other) Mark decides which domains need those variations on the theme, but perhaps he's decided yours is one such. groups.io and my domain. It's like it is somehow extracting bothverified) header.d=groups.io;mydomain.com; dmarc=bestguesspass action=noneThe smtp.mailfrom it is showing you is the domain specified in the MAIL FROM command in the SMTP transaction when Groups.io's outbound server connected to your inbound server (aka the "envelope From"). That's what DMARC requires to align with the "header From" domain. I guess I will try modifying my SPF record to allow groups.io as aI don't know if that's a recommended way, but I think it would work (that is, I think that's exactly what Yahoo Mail did with regard to Yahoo Groups). The downside I can see is that you'll end up with having to do the same for every other service used by your mailbox users (if there are any but you). Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Photos and attachments
tommy0421,
Apparently what does not work on a Groups.io webpage may work in theI mentioned that earlier. It would depend on the particular email interface used to view the message. Some might also have a problem with non-ASCII characters in the img src filename. If I'm remembering correctly, most email programs can read UFT-8.Well, Eudora can't. But it was discontinued long ago. Groups.io webpage apparently can not.Close, but the problem is specifically UTF-8 encoding in the filename passed as part of the source reference to an embedded image. In the text of the message Groups.io handles UTF-8 encoded characters just fine. For example in the popular shrug emoji ?\_(¥Ä)_/? the hands and face are UTF-8 encoded characters. Only the arms and sides of the head are ASCII characters. Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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