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Thank you. I have never dealt with sub-groups so there may be questions. The first that comes to mind is whether the fact that we've already completed the main group transfer would still allow us to move the newly created sub-group at no additional cost. The second is the process. Do we simply set up "sub-group.io" and then task the move of the Yahoo group to the new sub-group.?

Also, I suspect that there are many who DO read the wiki and previous posts here and find their answers for themselves - as I did - and so, you don't hear from them so much. If only 1% of owners do regrettable things, it will continue to look worse and worse as Groupsio continues to grow and grow, even though it isn't really .. time for a couple more mods?!

On 13 Nov 2019 22:57, Benjamin Slade wrote:

The page at:
/myname/?-> Account -> Identity -> (Global) Account Profile (defaults) or (Group Profiles -> <group name>) -> Edit
doesn't have a title.

Yes.

[BTW, no need to click HOME before going to /myname/.]

Many pages on Groups.io either do not have titles or do not have titles that reflect which page it is. (In this comment of mine, "title" can mean both/either the text that appears in the taskbar or in the window bar and/or some sort of heading near the top of the page itself.) Breadcrumbs are also broken on many pages.

To fix this, I imagine each instance should be reported individually to the bug tracking system.

The bug tracking system at this time, I believe, is simply to send an e-mail to [email protected] (no further instructions are given on how to report bugs, except that the bug report should be well-formed). I'm not sure if users who submit bugs, can follow their progress, but I know of no way that *other* users can.

It also doesn't tell you whether you're editing the "Account Profile" (really the Global Account Profile defaults), or the account profile for a specific group.

Yes.

The only way that a user can know where he is is if he knows how the global setting's page differs from the group-specific settings pages.

1. The global page has this warning near the top: 'Changes made to this profile will also be made to each group profile, with the exception of those fields that you have previously customized in each group profile. To edit those customized fields please go to the specific group profile and click "edit".'

2. On the global page, you can change your user name (the @name).

Of course, this is only a problem for users who open links in multiple tabs simultaneously or who use browsers where pressing the back button and then the forward button again deletes content previously entered.

Also, if editing the account profile for a specific group, there should be a link to the very nice page you pointed me to.

Yes, I fully agree.

RFEs should be posted to the beta list... but not right now. Due to the Yahoogroups thing, the beta list is temporarily closed for non-transfer related discussions until about the end of the year (see ). We should remember to revisit the issue after that.

Samuel

John,

In the other case, message sequence from Yahoo ended and messages
posted to the new Groups.io started anew from 1. eg: 49998; 49999;
50000; 1; 2; 3;.....

Interesting.

I'm going to guess that those low message numbers were posted to the Groups.io group before the transfer got to stage 4. Otherwise, I think you may want to report this to [email protected] because the message numbering should only increase as messages are posted or imported.

Shal


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Emma,

Yahoo message history. Can we transfer over our Yahoo archive without
wiping out the messages and member info already posted to the new
group?

Yes.

Any member email addresses already present in the Groups.io group will be skipped when the transfer is copying the Yahoo Group's Membership list. Or, when you set up the transfer you can uncheck the Transfer Members box if you've already brought over the members and the transfer would only add back "deadwood" addresses.

For messages, the Yahoo Group messages will post at message numbers sequential from the existing messages. Possibly intermingling, if there are people actively posting during the transfer. This normally isn't a big problem, as the Messages/Topics lists are sorted by date, not number.

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Eric,

Our "management" is so impressed with the process and with the product
that they want to move a group I didn't even know existed.

There are about 20 members and the real issue is the messages.

Is this "management" directly related to the first group? That is, are all 20 members of the management also members of the first group?

If so, then Duane's suggestion of transferring the management Yahoo group into a management subgroup of the first Groups.io group might be perfectly appropriate. And it would allow you to use the Easy Yahoo Group Transfer to copy the messages without paying an additional upgrade fee.

The Setings page of the management subgroup can be configured to fully hide that subgroup from the primary group members. They would would be able to infer that there is or was a subgroup, owing to the changed address (web and email) format for groups with subgroups.

Shal


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I have a couple of groups, each with >50,000 messages, which were transferred to for both groups.

In one case, messages posted to the new Groups.io continued the numbering sequence carried over from Yahoo. eg: 50001; 50002; 50003;......
In the other case, message sequence from Yahoo ended and messages posted to the new Groups.io started anew from 1. eg: 49998; 49999; 50000; 1; 2; 3;.....

Does anyone understand this?

-John

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Steve,

I belong to several groups and I have several email addresses. I want
to change some of the individual group's addresses so more important
groups go to a particular email address and less important groups go
to the other addresses. How do I do that?

Groups.io has no facility to selectively move subscriptions between accounts (like Yahoo Group's Membership Wizard). You can only change the email address for your whole account, which takes all group subscriptions with it.

So the only way to achieve what you want is to re-join the subset of groups with the alternate address, and unsubscribe with the main address.

Shal


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Alan,

I wanted to change my email that I receive emails as, and it asked me
to merge with an existing email account, which I agreed then it said
it was going to delete my original account,

The operation is to merge this account (the one where you initiate the action) into the other account. So yes, when completed this account would not exist.

of which I am the owner of several lists. I do not want that deleted,

So perhaps you wanted to delete the other account before attempting to change this account's address. Or perhaps do the merge the other direction first.

I can't seem to find a way to "undo" the merge.

There seems to be some ambiguity as to whether you actually did the merge. The other account would have to "accept" the merge in order to complete it.

On the merged account it shows me as only a regular member and not the
owner. which i need to be.

So apparently you joined the group with this other address, as well as your "original" one. Going back to the above, you could either unsub this other address, then delete its account. Or do the merge from it into your owner account.

I can still login to my owner account but it told me it was going to
delete it....

If you can still log in to your owner account then the merge did not actually take place.

please do not delete it.

That's all in the mechanism, no human intervention involved. And especially not by anyone in GMF (no Groups.io employees here). So if it hasn't been deleted then it won't be. Unless you take some further action to do so. Like confirm the pending merge in your other address's account. If there is one.

it would be nice if we could setup an email address to have messages
sent to and a management email address.

Sounds like you have that with your two subscriptions. You can receive and reply to group messages using the other address, and set your "owner" subscription to No Email (or the limited delivery of your choice).

Or, promote the other address to moderator and do it the other way around: in its Subscription set it to No Email then turn on all of its Moderator Notices and Owner Email. Then do the opposite in your "owner" email's Subscription.

What you can't do, but might have been wishing for, is use a single log-in session to manage both subscriptions. As mentioned in other recent threads, Groups.io has a strictly one to one correspondence between subscription addresses and accounts.

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Hello!

Is there presently - or planned for the future - a Groups.io app for the iPhone?

Thanks!

Harris

I belong to several groups and I have several email addresses. ?I want to change some of the individual group's addresses so more important groups go to a particular email address and less important groups go to the other addresses. ?How do I do that? ?I do not want to merge anything, but simply use two or more email addresses through all my groups.

If you don't want to do that, you will need to create another account. Direct Add yourself if you have a Premium account. Or use the invite mechanism. Keep the old email address as a group member but put it as No Mail or Special Notices only. However you will lose some of the convenience of one place to look.?

Frances

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I belong to several groups and I have several email addresses.? I want to change some of the individual group's addresses so more important groups go to a particular email address and less important groups go to the other addresses.? How do I do that?? I do not want to merge anything, but simply use two or more email addresses through all my groups.

Steve

HI,

I wanted to change my email that I receive emails as, and it asked me to merge with an existing email account, which I agreed then it said it was going to delete my original account, of which I am the owner of several lists. I do not want that deleted, I can't seem to find a way to "undo" the merge. On the merged account it shows me as only a regular member and not the owner. which i need to be. I can still login to my owner account but it told me it was going to delete it.... please do not delete it. it would be nice if we could setup an email address to have messages sent to and a management email address. Some list have a lot of traffic and it would make managing things easier. And I hope my accounts are not going to be deleted....

Any hep or solutions?
Alan

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 09:06 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:

In this case, the provider did the right thing--caused the user to be unsubscribed--but that's not the general practice.

It wasn't the email provider that unsubscribed them, it was GIO.? The providers return spam reports to GIO and it's up to them what to do.? GIO has decided that to preserve the reputation of the site, they'll unsubscribe those people.? All services should be doing this.? I believe the latest "rules" for email say that not honoring this and continuing to send emails is grounds for blacklisting the entire site/service.? In the early days, GIO was blacklisted by several services until Mark got everything straightened out and developed the unsubscribe system.

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On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 08:34 PM, Peter Dubé wrote:

I agree this may be a bug that requires a fix as shutting off that permission takes away some permissions to do valid moderator functions.

If you have all of the other permissions set, they should be able to do everything except promote themselves and delete the group.? The one just above this permission is Set Subscription Options.

You could try reporting it to support, but they're a little busy right now.

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Peter,

I had the situation where I made a member a moderator. He was able to
make himself an owner.

In my opinion this is a bug. An moderator should never be able to apply or remove the Owner role, under any circumstances.

Where do I find the permission so a moderator can not make himself an
owner?

The guilty permission is Set Moderator Privileges. It doesn't say anything about owners, and it shouldn't allow one to affect owners. But it does.

Shal


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