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Re: Still having Problems setting up donations for group

 

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 03:38 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Aren't one allowed to put a PayPal donation button and other donation
services' (e.g. certain crowdfunding platforms) buttons/links on the
group's home page?
Samuel -- Regular PayPal buttons are rendered as an html form. Forms, iframes and similar constructs are stripped by the groups.io editor before save.

If you have a separate web site, you can host the donation buttons there and link to that.

Bruce
Re: Missing Emails

 

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 09:28 PM, J Forster wrote:
Is there any way to download the interim messages and upload them to the correct place?
J -- Frances covered this one pretty well...nothing to add.

Also, relatedly, the scraping missed a few messages because of Yahoo spazzing.
An unknown number of messages could also have been deleted from the Yahoo group before the transfer ever occurred. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, this is often at least part of the reason why the numbers won't match up exactly.

Bruce
Re: Welcome and Goodbye Letters - Automatic Sending To Members

 

On 13 Nov 2019 08:24, CVActor via Groups.Io wrote:

In Yahoogroups we could mark a letter/file to automatically be sent to subscribers joining and leaving a group.
Your Group > Admin > Settings > Member notices.

See also:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

Samuel
Re: Accepting Donations #donations

 

On 03 Nov 2019 19:31, Duane wrote:

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 12:29 PM, Norman C. Berns wrote:

I have a standard group. Can I ask my members for donations to maintain the group?
If you mean a free group, then no.? It's a Premium group option.
I disagree. It is my understanding that there is nothing in the rules for free groups that prohibit free groups from asking for donations.

You are free to set up donation receiving with any donation system (e.g. PayPal, Liberapay, crowdfunding systems, etc.) and ask users to use it to send you donations.

You can tell users about the donation system e.g. on the group's home page, in the message footer, in a member notice (e.g. monthly reminder), etc.

If you want to make the group accessibly only to people who have given donations, your secretary is going to have to compare the list of people who donated to the people who are members to your group manually.

Samuel
Re: Still having Problems setting up donations for group

 

On 13 Nov 2019 06:15, Frances wrote:

Fabien, I think that you are overthinking it. Just create an account
- they only ask for name, email address, create password.
While it's true that you can register with Stripe with only your name,
e-mail address and a password, you can't connect to a service (such as
Groups.io) unless you are a commercial or registered non-profit entity
and unless you reveal not only information about your business or
organisation but also personal, identifying information about yourself
(in your capacity as a director of your organisation who "authorises"
Stripe to connect to your organisation).

I think the fact is that Groups.io's donations system is still rather
underdeveloped, and currently only officially registered entities can
make use of it. It's not currently meant for individuals.

Aren't one allowed to put a PayPal donation button and other donation
services' (e.g. certain crowdfunding platforms) buttons/links on the
group's home page?

Samuel
Re: Uploading Member List Response

 

Cindi,

*You have reached the limit for number of direct adds that can be
processed without approval. ...
...
Should I be worried?
Nope. Your Direct Add may be approved by the time your receive this.

I thought the limit was 1,000 addresses.
That's Yahoo's limit on exporting the Members list. The Direct Add (and Invite) review trigger is 20 in 24 hours. But it is just a trigger for review (an anti-spam measure).

Or should I have loaded the members as a different kind of file - like
a CVS or TVS?
Nope.

*What do I do now?*
Continue getting ready for your new members, the approval should happen in a reasonable time, even given the large rush of new groups.

Shal


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Welcome and Goodbye Letters - Automatic Sending To Members

 

In Yahoogroups we could mark a letter/file to automatically be sent to subscribers joining and leaving a group. There doesn't seem to be a way to do that at groups.io. I can see that an invite can be changed, but if someone signs on without the invite, they wouldn't see the welcome letter. Can someone please clue me in?

Thanks,

Cindi
Uploading Member List Response

 

Everyone/Anyone,

I downloaded my group members from Yahoogroups just now, and saved the file as an Excel sheet. I just uploaded it to my group, and got this response:

You have reached the limit for number of direct adds that can be processed without approval. Once your new direct adds have been approved, they will be processed. You will receive a notification when this happens.

I thought the limit was 1,000 addresses. My entire membership is 323. Should I be worried? Or should I have loaded the members as a different kind of file - like a CVS or TVS?

There was one sentence saying abusing this feature could get me banned, but this is the ONLY time I've tried it. Should I be worried?


What do I do now?

Cindi
Re: Still having Problems setting up donations for group

 

On 13 Nov 2019 06:03, Fabien wrote:

I¡¯m still having trouble setting up donations. When it asks for the
company name, job title, business address, business phone number,
website, business type such as LLC, nonprofit organization, etc., and
other required fields, I¡¯m not sure what to put.
The Stripe page that is displayed depends on which country you're in, so we can't really help unless you tell us in which country you are, so that we can go look at what the Stripe page looks like for that country.

Samuel
Re: Still having Problems setting up donations for group

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 12:29 AM, Fabien <theboxcarchildren10@...> wrote:

Hello Francis,
When I try to set it up, I have a message that says, ¡°before you can start excepting payments, we need to know more about your business and what it is used for.¡±
Why not tell the truth?..
You have an email List and want to accept donations to help pay to host it.
Re: How to move a group with no owner?

 

There was a message from a large tractor group which successfully moved everything using PG4.
Asked for the details and waiting for a reply.? Am interested to know how the porting of messages was accomplished.
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On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 9:07 PM Dale Smith <dalesierra@...> wrote:

Dale,

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I have done this with a group and things are going pretty good as a free account.? In our case, the owner was locked out and couldn't get in, so with his permission, I started a new account.? There were about 27000 messages and about 400mb of photos and 32 mb of files.? We let people on the old group know about the new group and about 100 out of some 600 members on the old group joined up.? That also weeded out the inactive membership as the activity on the list hasn't dropped in the least.?

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The one problem we had was that occasionally someone would send their email to the group to xxx@... instead of "@,"most likely due to either the fact that they hadn't been keeping up with the group and hadn't seen the messages about the new group or they just got the address from their address book. ? Since there was no owner access to the Yahoo group, we couldn't shut down posting.? When that happened, we had a flurry of replys to the old group, none of which were included in our slowly building message archive at , and new members who hadn't been in the old group just didn't get them.? To solve this, I set up a mail filter that moved any messages for that group at Yahoo to a separate mailbox. ? As an owner of the new group, I forwarded them to the new group with a tactful note to not send messages to the Yahoo group.? We haven't had that problem for a while now and it will probably be less frequent now that there is no Yahoo web site from which to send mail.

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I downloaded all the group content using PG Offline.? I then went to the new group and uploaded first the files, which was easy as there weren't that many of them.? Photos were a bit harder, but it took me about an afternoon to load the photos and albums individually.?? Unfortunately you can't upload a whole album at once.? You have to create the album and then upload its contents.?? If you have a larger group, this job can be split up making it less onerous for the individual doing it.

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The final sticking point was the archive of past messages.? While I am still hoping for an easy way to port from PG Offline to Groups.io, I did work out an interim solution.

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I exported the messages to html files by year to keep the size of the HTML files to a reasonable size.? I set 5000 messages as the page size and didn't go over it in any year.?

Since I also do several websites, I created an index page for the HTML pages created by PG Offline and loaded everything in a corner of one of my websites and made it a subdomain that can be directly accessed by a reasonable length url.? One caveat though.? You need to rename the PG Offline file as soon as is created as the next years file will overwrite it.

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I know this won't work for everyone, but aside from the last issue of the message archive should be doable.? For that final step you need someone who can create a web page index and has a place to host it.

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Good luck and if you have any questions feel free to contact me off group.

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Dale Smith


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Yahoo deleted our group

 

[mod note: this is about a Yahoo! group, and appears to be an isolated case]


I belong to an orphan group on Yahoo that we're trying to move to groups.io . The owner died several years ago and there were no moderators left. The group wasn't terribly active, but it wasn't dormant either. It appears that we are going to be able to save a significant amount of the data and messages from the group, and a number of members have already joined the new group.

The problem is that Yahoo told us that the groups would all remain as an email reflector groups. But this group in question [ATSF] has completely disappeared. Messages sent to the group get the following reply:
We are unable to deliver the message from <dano@...>
to <atsf@...>.

Your message was sent to a group that does not exist. Please check
to make sure you spelled the group name correctly.

For further assistance, please visit


Now I've been lied to before in my life, and Yahoo doing this to us isn't totally beyond belief, given their track record. But it's frustrating for two reasons. First is that we don't have a way to reach out to members who haven't already joined the new group. But perhaps more annoying is the fact that there is apparently no way to contact Yahoo about this without paying them money.

I guess we can live with it, but I wondered if anyone else had noticed this situation or had ideas on how to report this to Y!.

Dano
Re: Still having Problems setting up donations for group

Fabien
 

Hello Francis,
When I try to set it up, I have a message that says, ¡°before you can start excepting payments, we need to know more about your business and what it is used for.¡±
?
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Re: Still having Problems setting up donations for group

 

Fabien, I think that you are overthinking it.

Just create an account - they only ask for name, email address, create password.

About using Stripe with Groups.io, see?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Donations

I don't think you have to do anything but set up Accept Online Payments.?
See this Documentation i found on the Stripe website.

GMF members, if you have set up Stripe and payments, any advice? I can't test it because I don't have a Premium group.

Frances
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Re: Email delays

 

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Hello David,

I have had my group here for almost 2 years.? Very seldom have I experienced message delays.? The time it lasted the longest time was because of my e-mail
provider not GIO.

Doug

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of DAVID <davidlandsman@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 8:44 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [GMF] Email delays
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Hey All,

Recently moved a baseball league from Yahoo, which wasn't always quick. I chose theis, compared to Googlegroups (which seems to be almost instantaneous) due to offering some features that Google seems to be lacking.

Are delays in emails coming through a common thing, or, more the exception to the rule.

TIA!
Still having Problems setting up donations for group

Fabien
 

hello,
I¡¯m still having trouble setting up donations. When it asks for the company name, job title, business address, business phone number, website, business type such as LLC, nonprofit organization, etc., and other required fields, I¡¯m not sure what to put. Any suggestions? I don¡¯t have a website, or a Facebook page or Twitter for this group. I¡¯d rather not give out my personal Twitter or Facebook information. just need some assistance getting started.
Blessings,
Fabien
Email delays

DAVID
 

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Hey All,

Recently moved a baseball league from Yahoo, which wasn't always quick. I chose theis, compared to Googlegroups (which seems to be almost instantaneous) due to offering some features that Google seems to be lacking.

Are delays in emails coming through a common thing, or, more the exception to the rule.

TIA!
Re: How to move a group with no owner?

 

Oh, yes, I should add that we are trying desperately to contact the long absent owner in one case, utilizing searches to find email addresses, snail mail addresses, Facebook friends, and more because it would be so much easier if she could be prevailed upon to take five minutes of her time to speed the process.

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Dennis A. Steckley
Re: How to move a group with no owner?

 

The other thing to keep in mind is that yahoo is glitching and changing almost hourly.? I am in the process of moving four groups over, and sometimes yahoo lets the moderator do anything and at other times won't even allow the owner access to the group.? So on the groups I'm having trouble with, the other moderators and owners and I are trying repeatedly to get in and make the needed changes.? Sometimes we've succeeded; sometimes not.

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Dennis A. Steckley
Re: Unable to post to my group

 

Mat,

I have recently set up a groups.io group, and am unable to post to it
via email
...
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 500 Invalid request, no reverse DNS for
109.203.100.47
The mail server connecting to Groups.io to deliver your message is failing Groups.io's test for its validity.

This has cropped up from time to time before, but I don't recall if there was a resolution. Maybe search for "reverse DNS" in GMF's and/or beta's Messages.

The simple answer might be to use a different email service. Beyond that I think you'd have to get some technical help from your email service.

Shal


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