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Re: Import existing main group as a subgroup?
Mark has said this is technically possible, but that he's not doing it.? I can't find the post on beta at the moment.
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Re: Option to not be told that message was already approved?
On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 05:02 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I don't think there's a technical reason why Groups.ioAccepting and sending back can cause backscatter (replies to spam going to innocent people and spamtraps). A moderator's Windows can be infected with an email address harvesting trojan, harvested email addresses (including approval addresses) are then spammed. In "From" spammers put random email addresses from the same spamming lists. Replies to spam pollute mailboxes of innocent victims, and trigger spamtraps. Rejecting email commands instead of accepting and sending back is the right anti-spam behavior. |
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Re: Migrating mails by simply forwarding all old mails
On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 10:24 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Yes, I would create a separate Gmail account for this purpose alone, so all forwarded messages would be from a sender who is not engaged as an actual member. Also, I intend to forward all mails before any other mails are sent, so at least they'll all be at the start of the list.To the extent that you can, keeping things in chronological order would be a benefit. Actual posting dates can still be gleaned from message headers, if you can find a way to insert them into the body of what you forward. There are 1200 message, but only about 300 threads (as defined by Gmail), so perhaps I can figure out how to save entire threads (as displayed by Gmail) and send the "threads" as single messages.It occurred to me after posting my previous response that the threading done by groups.io as you forward the messages could be a little wonky. For example, I don't know if groups.io treats "Fwd:" the same way it treats "Re:" when threading; and there is a time component (see /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Avoiding-threading-topics---threading-algorithm). Sending an entire thread as a single message could serve to obviate this problem. Regards, Bruce ? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Re: Migrating mails by simply forwarding all old mails
On 2019/02/25 02:55 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 05:06 AM, Samuel Murray wrote: What are your opinions about "migrating" the old messages by simply The only real problems with this idea are that those messages will not be readily searchable by posting date and will all show as being posted by the subscriber who did the forwarding. Depending on your situation this may be less objectionable than leaving them behind.Yes, I would create a separate Gmail account for this purpose alone, so all forwarded messages would be from a sender who is not engaged as an actual member. Also, I intend to forward all mails before any other mails are sent, so at least they'll all be at the start of the list. There are 1200 message, but only about 300 threads (as defined by Gmail), so perhaps I can figure out how to save entire threads (as displayed by Gmail) and send the "threads" as single messages. You might consider flagging each forwarded message by adding a hashtag or something.Good idea. I should be able to edit all message's subject lines in bulk (e.g. in Thunderbird you press E on a message in the list). Samuel |
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Re: Migrating mails by simply forwarding all old mails
On 2019/02/25 03:32 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Samuel wrote: (The ideal would be if I could simply import an MBOX file, but I Mark once said he would handle that as a support request (for peopleIt did not occur to me to ask, but personally I would not consider it inappropriate to ask. After all, uploading an MBOX file takes much less effort than having to create such an MBOX file and then upload it (and I don't need to migrate files, members etc). I just assumed that the option was not available, and I just assumed it was for reasons of abuse prevention (otherwise anyone can upload any mails even if they don't really have the right to use those mails -- if Mark does the transfer, he knows exactly where the mails come from). Samuel |
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Re: Option to not be told that message was already approved?
Samuel,
Thanks for your input -- I'll clarify this when posting it as an RFE.Hmm... This may be a reasonable request after all. Looking at this again, I believe that the "Undelivered Mail Returned to I wrote: So the only part of that message Groups.io can improve is the text of the status value, which is usually quoted somewhere in the body of the failure notice. While that's true of an error response given during the delivery of your approval email, I don't think there's a technical reason why Groups.io couldn't accept that email and then send back a notice written as helpfully as we would like. In particular, that return notice need not be (and should not be) treated as a deferred rejection. It is just a notice that the system sent you. Granted that extra processing would be less efficient for Groups.io's servers, and your inbound email, than the upfront rejection but that hardly seems like a heavy price to pay for an infrequent (hopefully) situation. In the grand (whenever that happens) the option to receive such notices could be added to the list of moderator-related notice checkboxes. Subordinate to receiving the pending message notice, possibly. Shal ? -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Bulk editing scripts for member profiles
On 2019/02/25 03:06 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Since they already have control of this setting, you could send a polite message to the group requesting that they change the setting.Asking users to change their own settings is asking for trouble. Only the most computer literate will be able to do so. However, I do wonder why you would want to change the setting. This is the maximum size for attachments that get sent to members, or is there another setting I missed somewhere?If I understand correctly, it is not possible to set attachment sizes for the group. You can only set the option to receive attachments, not receive attachments, or have attachments moderated. At first I thought it would be a great idea to moderate attachments, so that I can prevent overly large or irrelevant attachments from being sent to the list, but: many people use images in their signatures... which are... attachments. So, if I set the group to moderate all attachments, I'd have to moderate every single message with an image in the signature. That would waste my time and would make it frustrating for such members to participate. So, what I want to do is set the group to accept all attachments, but then set every new member's profile to show attachments over 100 kb as a link. A number of users already joined the group in anticipation of the migration, to "test" the waters. Samuel -- |
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Re: Migrating mails by simply forwarding all old mails
Samuel, What are your opinions about "migrating" the old messages by simply Bruce mentioned marking them with a hashtag, and that has an extra advantage: The hashtag can have the No Email property, avoiding the need to first set the members to No Email. A hashtag like that probably ought to also have the Use by Mods Only property. (The ideal would be if I could simply import an MBOX file, but I can see ? Mark once said he would handle that as a support request (for people transferring from Mailman lists), but I don't think it would be appropriate to ask for that as a way of side-stepping the Premium requirement for Easy Group Transfer. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Migrating mails by simply forwarding all old mails
On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 05:06 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
What are your opinions about "migrating" the old messages by simply forwarding them all to the Groups.io list before you allow any new members to join (or: after first setting everyone to nomail)?The only real problems with this idea are that those messages will not be readily searchable by posting date and will all show as being posted by the subscriber who did the forwarding. Depending on your situation this may be less objectionable than leaving them behind. You might consider flagging each forwarded message by adding a hashtag or something.? Hope this helps, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Re: Bulk editing scripts for member profiles
On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 04:06 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Are there bulk editing scripts available for me to make this change in fewer steps than opening each member's profile page individually?Unfortunately, I don't think there is for this one.? You can change the Default Sub Settings for future members though. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Re: Calendar
#calendar
#bug
#integration
I have lots of recurring events and I have my calendar sync'd to Outlook 2016. I don;t normally use a Google calendar so I've just set one up.
All event dates and times appear just fine on both calendars before and after the clock change (31st March here in the UK). Andy |
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Bulk editing scripts for member profiles
Hello everyone
I've decided to change one setting on each of my group's members' profile pages (they will be free to change it back, if they prefer). The setting is: attachment size limit 100 kb. Are there bulk editing scripts available for me to make this change in fewer steps than opening each member's profile page individually? Thanks Samuel |
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Migrating mails by simply forwarding all old mails
Hello everyone
I have a Yahoogroups mailing list that I want to migrate to Groups.io, and it's got about 1200 old mails that I would like to migrate as well. However, it's a small group (about 20 members) and I'm not eager to spend another $110 for the message migration (I'm already spending $110 for a different group). What are your opinions about "migrating" the old messages by simply forwarding them all to the Groups.io list before you allow any new members to join (or: after first setting everyone to nomail)? I realise that some of the threading information will be lost, etc., but at least users will be able to search the content of all old messages. Do you know if Groups.io has some flooding protection which may interfere with such an operation? (The ideal would be if I could simply import an MBOX file, but I can see how that may expose Groups.io to potential abuse.) Thanks Samuel |
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Re: Non Member Posting To Group
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýShal, ? ¡°Since you mention looking in my Spam folder, I decided to do that. Sure enough all the posts were there (I¡¯ve never had a member¡¯s post go into my Spam folder before), and it looks like one of the members forwarded an email by a non-member. I need to ask that member if that is what they did.¡± ? I asked the member if they forwarded that post from a non-member, and this is what they said. ? ¡°No, not really... I originally sent it from my wife's email account so it was kicked back. Then I sent it correctly.¡± ? So the non-member email address was his wife¡¯s, which they never use in our group. Now I understand what happened. ? Thanks everyone for trying to help me on this one. ? Don |
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