Hi all,

This and last week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


* Quoted replies with the new editor work as expected.

Normally a bug fix doesn't get top spot here, but this one will be felt by a lot of web users, I think. Thanks to J for identifying what was going on and how to reproduce it so that Mark could fix it.


* Changed the new editor to use P tags for enter when editing the wiki.

This fix isn't exactly what I wanted, but it will do. Especially since now I know that Shift+Enter will do what I want - thanks to Jennifer in beta@ for that tip! My only niggling doubt is that now the behavior of Enter versus Shift+Enter is reversed in Wiki context versus Message context. My hobgoblin objects to the inconsistency.


* Test version of the new search engine.
* Test version of new search with start of advanced search filters.

This should be a winner, once it settles out a bit. I haven't had time to play with it much yet, but I'm hoping that drop-down between the search target box and the Search button turns into a powerful collection of search filters.


* New help section on Bounce handling, thanks to J.

That's a lot of detail for something that many moderators ought never need to know or care about. Yes, I know, there are also many groups that want to closely monitor their members' email status to be sure nothing has gone wrong.

Bounce handling being an automatic and behind-the-scenes system, those who need or want to know really need that level of detail to understand what it is doing. And learning by testing is too difficult to actually accomplish, at least for most mortals (Lena excepted).


* For groups that are not reply to group, unsubscribe links in single messages will require login to unsubscribe.

Here's one where I need to follow up. I agree with JohnF's concern that list unsubscribe should never require login. Any extra steps in the process is likely to end with the user resorting to the Spam button, and that's bad for all concerned.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

* CHANGE: Code change to prevent flashing of HTML before TinyMCE editor is displayed.
* CHANGE: Normalize HTML now defangs h1-h6 tags as well.
* CHANGE: Changed URLs of View/Reply Online links in HTML digests to do the same thing as single messages (ie go directly to the message).
* NEW: 'Send Message' button when viewing pending messages.
* INTERNAL: Work on the API.
* INTERNAL: Email server now uses less memory in certain situations.
* SYSADMIN: Resized email sending machine.
* BUGFIX: Add an extra newline between messages when downloading archives, to ensure proper mbox format.
* BUGFIX: In a rare case, a group on the yearly plan could be charged twice.
* INTERNAL: Cleaning up some malformed messages from Yahoo Groups imports.
* CHANGE: Changed the policy when cooking HTML, being more permissive with URLs.
* NEW: Include 'Private: ' in 'Reply To Sender' subject lines.
* BUGFIX: Some line heights in the TinyMCE editor were inconsistent with the rest of the site.
* BUGFIX: Fix type sorting of group member notices to be alphabetical.
* CHANGE: Fixed the regex responsible for finding URLs in plain text to allow * and ! characters.
* CHANGE: Changed the threading algorithm. Now if a message has references but none match existing messages, we look for a subject match. Previously, we would only look for a subject match if the message did not have any references. This is to fix the problem when people use the Reply link in HTML digests to reply to a message.
* SYSADMIN: Moved the load balancer onto its own machine.


Please call out any you find significant.

Shal

J,

But there's no text at all even remotely resembling the email.

There is in the URL of the From: name. In this example my cursor is hovering over my name (at the base of the arrow):



It is probably a long shot, but that's what I'm guessing at. Perhaps the copy/paste picked up the link, URL and all, and pasted the whole mailto URL in the clear rather than as a link.

Otherwise I don't see the problem, in message bodies, even those in digests, I'm seeing the full email address not an "obscured" one.

Heh, that does reveal a different problem though: Mark didn't update the From link to include "Private" in the subject line. Is that a feature (you can have it either with or without) or a bug (you can have it without)?

Shal

But there's no text at all even remotely resembling the email.
J

Sent from my iPhone

J,

And how could text that's not in the actual email suddenly become
visible anywhere else, simply by copying and pasting it?

If the text is HTML and contains a link (as in the From: name in a full-featured digest), then pasting it in a non-HTML context might cause the link to expand as both the link text and the URL beneath it.

Otherwise, I don't know.

Shal

Julian,

I don't get daily summaries myself, so this is a bit second hand. In a
group I moderate I am informed that in the daily summaries the sender's
email address appears obscured.

Interesting. They don't seem to be obscured in the digests I get from the beta@ group (or this one).

Unless what your member means is the poster's name, which appears after From: at the top of each message in the digest.

However, if it is copied and pasted into another (non groups.io)
forum the entire email address is pasted. ... Is this indeed an
issue, and if so, can it be fixed?

If he/she's talking about the From: name, then no. Or not easily. That name is used as a mailto: link so that the reader can reply directly to the poster of that particular message. It is the same as the "Reply To Sender" link at the bottom of each message.

I suppose Mark could make the From: name just text, given that the link is duplicated below, but I suspect a lot of users have gotten used to it and would complain.

Shal

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On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:12 am, Shal Farley wrote:

That's rather old "new" info - it was put there as part of the 2013 "neo" rollout

Hahahaha!
J

What non-groups.io forum are you talking about? And how could text that's not in the actual email suddenly become visible anywhere else, simply by copying and pasting it?
J

I don't get daily summaries myself, so this is a bit second hand. In a group I moderate I am informed that in the daily summaries the sender's email address appears obscured. However, if it is copied and pasted into another (non groups.io) forum the entire email address is pasted. This has led to one person's email address being posted by accident into a public forum. Is this indeed an issue, and if so, can it be fixed?

addendum: when I said daily summary I may have meant full featured digest.

Ruthie,

I want to secure all of the member email addresses from YahooGroups
BUT not yet go live with the IO group. Is this possible?

As Lena said, when the transfer agent copies your members list from Yahoo, it also sends a welcome message to each. So in that sense you'd "go live" at that point.

One thing you could do would be to set the IO group to "Announce Only" before starting the transfer. Also you'd want to tell your members what's going on so that they don't panic about the unexpected welcome message, nor attempt to post there until you actually go live.

This might be moot at the moment, until Mark finds a way around Yahoo/Verizon's recent change that prevents him from accessing the Yahoo Groups.

Shal

Avy,

Click on the "What's New" box over on the right when you log into
your group's moderator page.

That's rather old "new" info - it was put there as part of the 2013 "neo" rollout.

Shal

LOL. Yeah, I saw what Mark wrote and nearly responded, but thought better on it because my response was not going to be in good taste vis-a-vis yahoo.;)
J

J,

Upgrades? Wonder what their idea of 'upgrades' is ?

In beta@ #14136, Mark Fletcher wrote:

FYI, it seems that yesterday afternoon Yahoo made a change to their
system that is preventing our scraper from logging in;

Oh, *that* kind of upgrade... [rolleyes]

I suppose it could be a security upgrade to the account sign-in process; having nothing directly to do with Yahoo Groups. Defense against bots would be a legit thing for them to be working on, albeit inconvenient for us if they manage to effectively lock out Mark's scraper bot.

Shal

Click on the "What's New" box over on the right when you log into your group's moderator page. That's the strangest (mostly black) webpage I've seen yet! Then arrows on the right to scroll through several more mostly black pages to see more new . . . . things? Ohmy! ???

Avy



01:10 AM 6/23/2017, Shal Farley said:

J,

Upgrades? Wonder what their idea of 'upgrades' is ?

Taking the question seriously for a moment, I'd guess it would be more "IT" things - upgrading routers or servers or other equipment. Or maybe reconfiguring such things.

I very much doubt that Verizon has had a dev team geared up and ready to go on feature or functionality upgrades to the Groups software itself. Though hey, we can always hope.

Shal

Upgrades? Wonder what their idea of 'upgrades' is ?

Sent from my iPhone

I got a message (when I tried to log into my groups) earlier tonite that Yahoo Groups is doing upgrades and not all groups would be available this evening.

Avy



08:05 PM 6/22/2017, J_Catlady said:

I know this is a bit OT, but is Y!G down? I'm trying to do some comparisons between yahoo search and groups.io search, and for the past hour he three remaining groups I'm in won't load, although I seem to be logged into Y!G. It just looks like I'm in no groups. Anyone else experiencing this? I tried the "is Y!G down" thing and it says it's up and running.

J

Frances,

I see your message.

Judy