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Searching Files

 

Hello everyone,

Wondering if anyone else is having this problem with searching their files. If you have a search that returns more than 50 hits at the bottom of the search page there are more pages in little page icons.

In our group when I click on those icons it just kicks me back to the beginning of the files instead of to the next page in the search results.?

Also had this problem of being kicked back to main home page when I clicked on a Wiki page from the Wiki "home" page and when I try to switch from thread to message view in the subgroups.?

- LeeAnne?
Re: Recently Posted Photos not working

J_Olivia Catlady
 

Oh, I remember this! "Recently posted photos" only refers to and includes photos that were emailed or posted as attachments, not photos that were "uploaded" into a photo album.?

I think that's another semantic difference ("posted" vs. "uploaded") that falls on deaf ears as far as users are concerned.?

I can't remember what Mark decided to do about this, if anything. It might be somewhere in the Trello ToDo list.

J

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Daddy Dean <daddydean1@...> wrote:

Hi Forum,

Any know to enable the Recently Posted Photos feature on the groups home page?? Some of my members have a hard time finding newly created photo albums and the Recently Posted Photos always shows nothing has been added when a new album is made or photos are added to an existing album.

Thanks,

Dean
Recently Posted Photos not working

Daddy Dean
 

Hi Forum,

Any know to enable the Recently Posted Photos feature on the groups home page?? Some of my members have a hard time finding newly created photo albums and the Recently Posted Photos always shows nothing has been added when a new album is made or photos are added to an existing album.

Thanks,

Dean
Re: Linking Advice?

 

Shal thanks so much for answering about this. I will definitely post in beta about this. Thanks also for giving the vocabulary needed to ask about this problem :-)
Re: Linking Advice?

 

LeeAnne,

We came to realize that if there are changes similar to the ones Mark
recently made to the domain names, that links are somewhat unstable. I
am wondering if there is a way we can better preserve links so that if
the domain name changes again we don't have to go through this again?
I don't know of a good solution for this. One approach is to use a link shortening service that allows you to update the links. But that really just substitutes one dependency for another. And you'd need to make and update a link alias for each file.

In this specific case it may be a good idea to ask Mark to support the "legacy" format of the address indefinitely, along with the "subdomain" form. I had thought that he did, but a few quick tests suggests that is only true for the subgroup's home page address.

That would be a request to make in beta@, as GMF@ isn't officially monitored by Mark or anyone at groups.io.

Shal
Re: Creating TOC on Wiki

 

Nancy,

NEW: Table of Contents in Wiki, by adding [TOC:Title:MaxLevel] to a
wiki page.

We're setting up Wiki's and am hoping for a quick review of what this
does and where it goes.
If you're editing the Wiki page in HTML mode (a choice you made when creating the page) then there's a new toolbar button to insert that TOC marking for you. Insert it at the position on the page where you want the Table of Contents to be displayed. You can edit it (as just ordinary text) if later you want to change the title or the number of levels.

I haven't tried it on a page in Markdown mode, and it may not be supported there, but if it is I'd imagine you can just type that text into the page. There's nothing at all it could do on a page in Plain Text mode.

For an example have a look at GMF@'s wiki page "Why use a Subgroup" - that's a TOC with the levels set to 2. If you'd like to see what it looks like in edit mode go ahead and edit the page, then discard your (lack of) changes when you're done.

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Shal
/g/GroupManagersForum
Creating TOC on Wiki

 

Hi all


One of upgrades last week was

NEW: Table of Contents in Wiki, by adding [TOC:Title:MaxLevel] to a wiki page.

We're setting up Wiki's and am hoping for a quick review of what this does and where it goes.


Many thanks.

Nancy C
Re: Why use a Subgroup

 

Hi all,

I've added a link to "Why use a Subgroup" to the Wiki home page in GMF@ now. It's not perfect but I think it is good enough to be useful.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki

Thanks Joseph and Duane for your help.

As always, anyone with inspiration feel free to pitch in. Or ask/comment in a message here.

Shal

At 11:29 AM 4/1/2016, Shal Farley wrote:
Inspired by a recent conversation in beta@ I've created the bones of a
new help page in our Wiki:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Why-use-a-Subgroup

My intent is to link it in the wiki home under "Best Practices for Group
Management", but it isn't ready for prime time yet. I'm not going to
have time to work on it much more today, so anyone with some inspiration
is invited to put some flesh on those bones, or add some more bones.

Shal
Re: Subdomains

 

Nancy,

Our main group title is Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance We're
known byt teh short hand of ECIR

Is there any reason to not change our "main" to "ECIR" which
would then read:

[email protected]
No reason I can think of.

Some might see it as slightly redundant, but I think for your purpose it might make more sense to your members than "main@ECIR"

Shal
Re: Subdomains

 

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I think I¡¯ve got it Shal. Just one more question

Our main group title is ?Equine Cushing¡¯s and Insulin ResistanceWe¡¯re known byt teh short hand of ECIR

Is there any reason to not change our ¡°main¡± to ¡°ECIR¡± ?which would then read:


??

Many thanks.

Nancy C?

On Apr 2, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Nancy,

Have been following upgrade discussions on Beta over last two days. ?I
need help in basic understanding ?of recently added subdomains and their
use.

The basic idea is to give the main group and its subgroups a common addressing scheme, and perhaps one that's more intuitive than what went before.

For example, my PTA group includes all members in the main group, and I have subgroups for the board, for teachers, and for active volunteers. This allows us to easily communicate with the appropriate people within the organization.

So, in the new "subdomain" addressing scheme I have:

[email protected] ?All members of our PTA unit
[email protected] ?The board of our PTA unit
[email protected] ?Teachers who are also members of our PTA unit
[email protected] ?Active volunteers in our PTA unit

I'll probably change "main" to "members", meaning PTA unit members, but I haven't decided on that completely. To me "main" doesn't convey very well who will receive messages sent to that address.

For the subgroups anyway, you can see how "board at mhs-ptsa" reads very naturally, and likewise for the others. I just need to find a word that works as well for the main group.

Shal
Re: Subdomains

 

Nancy,

Have been following upgrade discussions on Beta over last two days. I
need help in basic understanding of recently added subdomains and their
use.
The basic idea is to give the main group and its subgroups a common addressing scheme, and perhaps one that's more intuitive than what went before.

For example, my PTA group includes all members in the main group, and I have subgroups for the board, for teachers, and for active volunteers. This allows us to easily communicate with the appropriate people within the organization.

So, in the new "subdomain" addressing scheme I have:

[email protected] All members of our PTA unit
[email protected] The board of our PTA unit
[email protected] Teachers who are also members of our PTA unit
[email protected] Active volunteers in our PTA unit

I'll probably change "main" to "members", meaning PTA unit members, but I haven't decided on that completely. To me "main" doesn't convey very well who will receive messages sent to that address.

For the subgroups anyway, you can see how "board at mhs-ptsa" reads very naturally, and likewise for the others. I just need to find a word that works as well for the main group.

Shal
Linking Advice?

 

Hello

We are in the process of setting up a very large group that helps horse owners manage two different "diseases". ?This is being done prior to migrating from Yahoo.

All of our 898 files and 156 folders have been loaded. ?(PHEW!) However, we have (according to Yahoo) 12,000+ members who are trying to access and learn a great deal of information from the files. ?

Many of the documents have links that go back to Yahoo which of course will need to be changed. Additionally, in one of the subgroups, there will be 100s of ?photo albums and?1000+ Case History??folders containing many documents. ?Our (often computer challenged) members need to save and post the links in messages so the volunteers can use the uploaded information to answer questions about specific horses. ?

We came to realize that if there are changes similar to the ones Mark recently made to the domain names, that links are somewhat unstable. ? I am wondering if there is a way we can better preserve links so that if the domain name changes again we don't have to go through this again??

Thanks in advance! ?This is so much better than Yahoo that I'm terrified I'll wake up and find it was just a fantasy. Mark, if you are reading this, thank you for Group.io.?

-LeeAnne

ECIR Group Archivist (fancy speak for file clerk)?
Subdomains

 

Hi everyone


Have been following upgrade discussions on Beta over last two days.? I need help in basic understanding? of recently added subdomains and their use.

As background, we are in the process of setting up and migrating a group that has been with yahoo since 1999.? Currently 12,000 member? ( which will undoubtedly change with migration and real bouncing protocol) and over 225,000 archived messages. We have set up the parent/main group and three subgroups which were separate groups on yahoo.

Thanks for any incite.

Nancy
Re: Intro and wiki modification in progress

 

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Hi,

Wiki modification done:

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Why-use-a-Subgroup

Added a scenario on product support groups, explained subdomain addressing (for both websites and email addresses) and gave a short overview on old addressing scheme (included a link to Mark¡¯s message to Updates list). Had to use Firefox as my screen reader had trouble working with the editor window via IE.

Cheers,

Joseph

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From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@...]
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 6:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Intro and wiki modification in progress

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Hi everyone,

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I¡¯m Joseph Lee, one of the members of the Groups.IO beta group and the manager of several Groups.IO forums. I just saw Shal¡¯s message to the Beta group and noticed the URL for this group, so I decided to join this one to network with other admins.

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At the moment I¡¯m modifying the wiki page on subgroups (started by Shal a few hours ago) to add some new subgroup scenarios, explain subdomain address format and such.

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Thanks.

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Cheers,

Joseph

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Joseph S. Lee

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project ()

Associate owner, NVDA international Users Forum ()

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee ()

Head List Representative/owner, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users ()

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Intro and wiki modification in progress

 

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Hi everyone,

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I¡¯m Joseph Lee, one of the members of the Groups.IO beta group and the manager of several Groups.IO forums. I just saw Shal¡¯s message to the Beta group and noticed the URL for this group, so I decided to join this one to network with other admins.

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At the moment I¡¯m modifying the wiki page on subgroups (started by Shal a few hours ago) to add some new subgroup scenarios, explain subdomain address format and such.

?

Thanks.

?

Cheers,

Joseph

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Joseph S. Lee

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project ()

Associate owner, NVDA international Users Forum ()

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee ()

Head List Representative/owner, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users ()

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Why use a Subgroup

 

Inspired by a recent conversation in beta@ I've created the bones of a new help page in our Wiki:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Why-use-a-Subgroup

My intent is to link it in the wiki home under "Best Practices for Group Management", but it isn't ready for prime time yet. I'm not going to have time to work on it much more today, so anyone with some inspiration is invited to put some flesh on those bones, or add some more bones.

Shal
Re: Search messages by author/sender

 

If the posts are signed, then you can search on that name. The references to Trello are to the item on the TODO list to allow search by poster directly.

A combination of the name and a specific item may help narrow it down. For example, searching this group for "Nancy meanwhile" (without quotes) should find your post (and does, along with another only having "meanwhile" in it). Unfortunately, it seems to act as an OR, not an AND, so that may not be the best way. The search seems to work better on longer words, especially if they're not too common.

Duane
Search messages by author/sender

 

Hi Everyone.


In the group we are preparing to migrate, we have a lot of messages that we need to refer back to while answering questions, almost on a daily basis.? Wiki will come in handy in the long run but in the meanwhile I'm looking for a way to search archived messages by specific sender/author. In search here and on Beta, seeing only? reference to Trello.


Thanks for any guidance.


Nancy C
Re: member of two of my groups using different email addresses, can only get into one group

J_catlady
 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 06:32 pm, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
k (a) there's currently no way to actually delete a Groups.io
account once you have one, ...
I believe that is true also. For testing purposes it would sometimes be handy if you could.

?Yep. I have so many "test members" already that I can't keep track of them¡­I'd like to get them out of Groups.io so I could test them rejoining, etc., but can't.;)

J
Re: member of two of my groups using different email addresses, can only get into one group

 

J,

I think (a) there's currently no way to actually delete a Groups.io
account once you have one, ...
I believe that is true also. For testing purposes it would sometimes be handy if you could.

... and (b) if she ever wants to regain control over her content,
re-joining under that account would restore that.)
There's the maybe.

It depends on the details of how a subscription works. In Y!Groups I tested this once and discovered that leaving a group and re-joining it would not recover control of content; it was as if the new subscription were treated as a new person. Some years later what I thought was the same test produced the opposite answer. I don't know if Yahoo changed the implementation or if there was a difference between my two tests which I didn't notice.

Long ago, it was common for ISP's to re-issue the same email address once it had been abandoned (the account closed or the bill not paid). So joe@... might not be the same person today as it was months or years earlier. In that circumstance one would not want the content to be reclaimed simply by joining the group again with the old email address. Yahoo Mail (infamously) began re-issuing abandoned email addresses a few years back as well.

(An aside: I hope that Trello suggestion gets implemented in a way that
allows members to keep their accounts under separate emails as separate
accounts if they *want* to, and won't do anything automatically to merge
them.
I certainly agree. I can't imagine how it could be implemented without requiring a very explicit action on your part - such as adding and verifying a second email address while signed in with the first. It is that verification step that proves you're the same you.

Shal
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