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Re: New solo piece

 

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Michael,

I had listened to the playback of your piece and at first puzzled how it could be so technically perfect ?while being totally uninflected in terms of rhythm & dynamics, but then realized that it must have been played by a sampler from a midi file. That certainly leaves room for someone else to interpret! I will see if I can record something clean enough to send you.

As to pieces that start with an abstraction and then work towards thematic material, I would offer two examples:

  • Bach - Chromatic Fantasia and fugue in D minor BWV 903 - Van Delft | Netherlands Bach Society
  • Mozart Fantasia in C minor K.475 András Schiff

Regards,

Fletcher James


Re: New solo piece

 

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It’s been a long while since I wrote it, but IIRC there was enough of a match between the HB & FE themes that they lent themselves to this merger.?

I must know: What Mozart & Bach pieces work backwards?? ?:-) ?

The sounds are from the higher quality library—I forget what it’s called. MuseSounds? I didn’t want to clutter up the score with phrasing or other marks, but guess I could add some hidden marks to improve the playback. But…that isn’t really my goal here…?


Michael,

I have a couple of questions regarding he piece:

  1. The sections are labeled “Variation 4…Variation 1…Theme” can you explain the ordering? Are you applying the method used by Mozart & Bach in some of their fantasies, of starting from a point of abstraction and only slowly working back to the theme?
  2. Can you tell us how the sound on YouTube was rendered?
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Re: New solo piece

 

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Michael,

I have a couple of questions regarding he piece:

  1. The sections are labeled “Variation 4…Variation 1…Theme” can you explain the ordering? Are you applying the method used by Mozart & Bach in some of their fantasies, of starting from a point of abstraction and only slowly working back to the theme?
  2. Can you tell us how the sound on YouTube was rendered?

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Fletcher James


Re: New solo piece

 

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OK, I’ve had reports of the IMSLP link not working, so I investigated: Safari & Firefox work fine. Chrome does not. Crazy. Anyway, here’s the link:





Re: New solo piece

 

Thanks! There’s an IMSLP link in the description. One person mentioned a problem, but I haven’t heard back from them, so perhaps it was temporary.


Re: New solo piece

 

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Michael,

I love it. The opening reminds me so much of a Telemann Fantasie, but then it evolves from there. Could you post a .pdf so I can download & print?

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Fletcher James


New solo piece

 

Hi—I just posted an odd little piece I wrote almost 40y ago. If nothing else, it might make a good "leap" etude ;-)
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Do please let me know if you end up playing it...
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Michael
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Re: Osteoarthritis problems in the hands: how to alleviate them when playing the flute?

 

Larry, not pressing enough the keys may produce bad sound as you say, so we tend to make more pressure when the flute does not produce a good sound. Other problem migh be not closing well the holes in the key (in a flute opened hole). Using silicone plugs might let you determine if that is the problem. The problem might be that the key does not fit perfectly over its basement too. If you have sent it to a luthier that sould have been corrected.

If you have the same problem in different flutes, problably it is your fault. Try using plugs. When I uses a thumb rest in my right hand, the lower notes began to sound worse. I think that somehow the position of my fingers changed due to it and some of the holes were not well closed sometimes. Now that I have taken away the thumb rest again it is easier to play the lower notes (but my thumb sometimes moves out of its correct position).

For the left index finger using a suplement for the B key is giving me better results than a thumb rest to separate the finger from the flute.

Grace, you are right, I think that too much force is one of my problems.

When I get nervous or there is a quick part I tend to make too much force. I am correcting it and now I make less pressure, but my problems might have that origin: too much pressure over the keys.

Sometimes I think some of the keys do not close perfectly, but not sure (other times the sound perfectly). This year I will send my flute to a luthier to have a revision. I have not sent it since I bought it several year ago (not sure may be 4).

Tom, thanks for the suggestion. I will seek for that plastic, it sounds a good idea too. I will try with cork first as it is easy to have a wine cork at hand.

CA glue is contact cement?

The appropiate glue to fix the gadget to the key is the key point in it.

thank you all


Re: Osteoarthritis problems in the hands: how to alleviate them when playing the flute?

 

Another way to make key modifications is to use a moldable thermoplastic. This type of plastic softens at around 140F/60C, and can be molded by hand into whatever shape you want; you ust drop it into hot water to soften it up. I’ve added height to my contrabass keys to great success. I just put a blob onto the key I’d like to adjust, mold it, and let it cool,in place. Placing it on the key when it’s soft molds it to the exact shape of the key. It doesn’t stick to metal, so I use CA glue to attach it to my flute.

There are many brands; one is “Instamorph”. Its generic name is polycaprolactone.

Regards,
--TcJ
Regards,
--TcJ


Re: Osteoarthritis problems in the hands: how to alleviate them when playing the flute?

 

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Sometimes hand and finger pain is caused by keys not closing completely.? Without thinking about it, we start to press harder to prevent those tiny leaks.? Find your best playing position with very light pressure on the fingers and keys.? If all of the notes aren't clear, have your flute checked.? A professional repair technician is best for finding and correcting these problems.? I just had this work done on my alto flute which I hadn't been playing regularly.? I thought the problems were just in the right-hand keys, but almost all of the pads needed a little adjustment.? It's so easy to start pressing a little harder with all fingers without really thinking about it.
Grace LaRayne?
AKA Grace the Bass


Re: Osteoarthritis problems in the hands: how to alleviate them when playing the flute?

 

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I too am of an age where osteo arthritis is a thing. Whilst it is not bad enough to make fingering impossible I have noticed, that when I play my open holed flute, that I have some difficulty in placing the fingers of my right hand accurately enough on the final two keys that I don't think they are always sealing properly leading to a few bum notes. I know it is me not the flute because I recently had the pads on the foot replaced and the springs adjusted. I do not get the same problems on my other flute so I think I have correctly identified where the problem is coming from and it is me.? The solution would be straightforward, I shall have to get some plugs for those keys

Larry


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Fernando Ariznavarreta via groups.io <fernando@...>
Sent: 08 April 2025 12:01
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Flutenet] Osteoarthritis problems in the hands: how to alleviate them when playing the flute?
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Thank you. I had not heard about gloves for playing flute.

I think my problems are not so bad to require that.

I have seen in internet luthiers that make some adaptations suplementing some keys for people with problems in their fingers.

I have seen the adapted flute that David put from ebay. It seems the best and more professional solution.

But it requires a luthier or profesional in order to solder the metal suplements, and I don't know of any luthier in my surrounds that does that, will have to investigate.

And before doing that you need to test it to know the size of the supplements.

I have been give the idea by Jennifer of using cork and wood that seems a good idea, as I can test it myself.

Will need to investigate the kind of appropiate glue to fix it.

I will onl need a suplement in th B key, just a circular pad of cork or wood over the key with the appropiate thickness.

Will try.

Thank you all


Re: Contact Cement on flutes

 

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Thanks, I was not sure what kind of glue was called contact cement.

But it seems to be the kind I was thinking of.

Thanks for your explanations.

Regards
Fernando

Un Saludo
Fernando


From: Jen Cluff <jen@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 5:58:30 PM
To: fernando@... <fernando@...>; Flutenet group <[email protected]>
Subject: Contact Cement on flutes
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Hi Fernando,
There may be a better glue for temporarily adding an extension to your B key.
But yes, contact cement is the glue that is used to put a patch on a bicycle tire.?

Here's an example: ?of contact cement.

You apply it to both alcohol-cleaned surfaces, wait a minute or so until it becomes "tacky" (slightly dry) and then you press the two surfaces together and hold for several seconds to bond. (Don't shift the items; keep them in their final position).
I discovered that the flute surface is slightly resistant to the contact cement and requires to be glued twice. Each time it should dry overnight.

Removal:
It is simple to remove the wood and cork and any residue from the glue can be cleaned with alcohol.
Your flute repair person can also remove your extensions and clean the glued area if and when you sell the flute.

But I welcome suggestions of other glue types from Flutenet members. Perhaps even a square of Gorilla TAPE might work on a B-key.
Jen

Fernando wrote:
Do you mean the king of contact glue that you use for glueing shoes, which you extend in both sides and let dry for a while before contacting both surfaces?
YES!


Contact Cement on flutes

 

Hi Fernando,
There may be a better glue for temporarily adding an extension to your B key.
But yes, contact cement is the glue that is used to put a patch on a bicycle tire.?

Here's an example: ?of contact cement.

You apply it to both alcohol-cleaned surfaces, wait a minute or so until it becomes "tacky" (slightly dry) and then you press the two surfaces together and hold for several seconds to bond. (Don't shift the items; keep them in their final position).
I discovered that the flute surface is slightly resistant to the contact cement and requires to be glued twice. Each time it should dry overnight.

Removal:
It is simple to remove the wood and cork and any residue from the glue can be cleaned with alcohol.
Your flute repair person can also remove your extensions and clean the glued area if and when you sell the flute.

But I welcome suggestions of other glue types from Flutenet members. Perhaps even a square of Gorilla TAPE might work on a B-key.
Jen

Fernando wrote:
Do you mean the king of contact glue that you use for glueing shoes, which you extend in both sides and let dry for a while before contacting both surfaces?
YES!


Re: flute key extensions

 

Thank you Jen.

That sounds a great idea. Cork supplements will be easy to test taken from a wine bottle. I will be able to make different tests with different thickness.

David's solution seems a more durable solution and more professional, but it would require a luthier to solder a metal key, and you would need to test the thickness you need first.

For now I think I will need just a supplement in the B key in order to make it thicker and so the figer won't need to bend in a 90 degrees angle.

The key point in your solution will be the glue, strong enough to be durable but easy to clean enough when removed with no damage to the flute.

You mention contact cement, but I am not sure the meaning of it, I don't know which kind of cement.

Do you mean the king of contact glue that you use for glueing shoes, wich yo extend in both sides and let dry for a while before contacting both surfaces?

Thank you and thanks for the pdf. Regards Fernando


Re: Osteoarthritis problems in the hands: how to alleviate them when playing the flute?

 

Thank you. I had not heard about gloves for playing flute.

I think my problems are not so bad to require that.

I have seen in internet luthiers that make some adaptations suplementing some keys for people with problems in their fingers.

I have seen the adapted flute that David put from ebay. It seems the best and more professional solution.

But it requires a luthier or profesional in order to solder the metal suplements, and I don't know of any luthier in my surrounds that does that, will have to investigate.

And before doing that you need to test it to know the size of the supplements.

I have been give the idea by Jennifer of using cork and wood that seems a good idea, as I can test it myself.

Will need to investigate the kind of appropiate glue to fix it.

I will onl need a suplement in th B key, just a circular pad of cork or wood over the key with the appropiate thickness.

Will try.

Thank you all


Re: Flute vs. Recorder

 

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Absolutely. The flute and the recorder are cousins, but they have differences. The recorder is known as the FIPPLE flute, well. The concert flute is a little bit different. I play both, and it's really interesting. Plus, their voices are different too. It's so neat how they Are quite a few members of the Flute family, some of which are unpronounceable. Plus, the recorder was used back in the Renaissance. I'm not sure when the Western concert Flute came to be. I had to have some of the pads on my flute replaced quite a while ago. And I'm surprised my Meo Flute has lasted 10 years already. I only had to get the pads replaced once. One of my friends, Lesa, who used to play the Flute, insisted that she do that for me as a Christmas present, and I let her. I wanted to pay her the money she spent getting my Flute repaired, but she refused. She insisted on doing it for me as a Christmas gift.
Amanda

On Apr 7, 2025, at 6:21?PM, Jen Cluff via groups.io <jen@...> wrote:

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Oh Alice you are so correct. I hadn't even read that far down. Good grief the internet is STILL full of misinformation just as it was back in 1999 (!) when I joined, and that was the reason I wrote so much online about the flute too. Yikes! Jen
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re:
  • The Flute has open holes Recorder has keys? whoops.
  • Correction: The Recorder has finger holes, the Flute has keys.
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  • The Flute is easier to maintain Recorder requires service? whoops.
  • Correction: The Recorder is easier to maintain; the flute requires service.


Re: Antique and unusual

 

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Thanks for sharing these photos, Louis.? What a lovely instrument.

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Sandy (with ducks)

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Louis Bertrand via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2025 1:18 AM
To: flutenet <[email protected]>
Subject: [Flutenet] Antique and unusual

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Hello,

Following up on Larry's post, this reminded me that I have not shared this little gem on the list, for no other purpose than curiosity.

Hawkes & Son #23118

Boehm system wood flute. Its sound has a strong presence, able to compete with any recently made flute. The head joint was stuck to the body but it came loose with some work. There is a metal sleeve inside the head joint that makes the tenon into the body.?


Re: Flute vs. Recorder

 

Maybe they started that list back before Boehm.
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Composed on my touchscreen device. Please excuse typos.


On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 3:21?PM Jen Cluff via <jen=[email protected]> wrote:
Oh Alice you are so correct. I hadn't even read that far down. Good grief the internet is STILL full of misinformation just as it was back in 1999 (!) when I joined, and that was the reason I wrote so much online about the flute too. Yikes! Jen
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re:
  • The Flute has open holes Recorder has keys? whoops.
  • Correction: The Recorder has finger holes, the Flute has keys.
  • ?
  • The Flute is easier to maintain Recorder requires service? whoops.
  • Correction: The Recorder is easier to maintain; the flute requires service.


Re: Flute vs. Recorder

 

Oh Alice you are so correct. I hadn't even read that far down. Good grief the internet is STILL full of misinformation just as it was back in 1999 (!) when I joined, and that was the reason I wrote so much online about the flute too. Yikes! Jen
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re:
  • The Flute has open holes Recorder has keys? whoops.
  • Correction: The Recorder has finger holes, the Flute has keys.
  • ?
  • The Flute is easier to maintain Recorder requires service? whoops.
  • Correction: The Recorder is easier to maintain; the flute requires service.


Re: Flute vs. Recorder

 

Well, yeah, but this has some things backward, like this one:


  • The Flute has open holes Recorder has keys

Oops.?
Alice Preston
In California these days.?

Composed on my touchscreen device. Please excuse typos.


On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 1:18?PM Jen Cluff via <jen=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Amanda,
You can use google to find out the differences between the flute and the recorder.
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Best, Jen