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Catherine Coy
What about Vitamin C supplementation as an adjunct to Budwig? Linus Pauling did lots of valuable work re cancer/Vitamin C that makes me think it's invaluable.
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From: Wilhelm Hansen To: FlaxSeedOil2@... Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Co-enzyme Q10 Hi Mark, I don't know for sure. Questions like that are hard to answer. I read a book on CoQ-10 in the mid 1990s and have been taking it since then but in a much smaller dose than what you are taking. I still have a bottle but rarely take it now. It is said to be a powerful antioxidant. Consider this in connection with my earlier post to Paul today. Also consider that Dr.Budwig used no antioxidants nor any other pills. She had extraordinary successes with her cancer patients without any pills. Wilhelm I wonder if anyone can tell me if 400mg a day of Co-enzyme Q10 would conflict with the Budwig protocol? Mark Note: The contents of the posts on FlaxSeedOil2 are purely educational and are not intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always consult your doctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FlaxSeedOil2-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Paul Cates
I recently read a scientific paper on the action of Vitamin C and E
on the action of omega 3's ability to slow the growth of cancer. It turns out that the action of C and E inhibited omega 3's ability to slow cancer even though they didn't know by what action. If I can find that study again I will post it. Paul --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Catherine Coy" <catherinecoy@c...> wrote: What about Vitamin C supplementation as an adjunct to Budwig?Linus Pauling did lots of valuable work re cancer/Vitamin C that makes me think it's invaluable. read a book on CoQ-10 in the mid 1990s and have been taking it since then but in a much smaller dose than what you are taking. I still have a bottle but rarely take it now. connection with my earlier post to Paul today. Also consider that Dr.Budwig used no antioxidants nor any other pills. She had extraordinary successes with her cancer patients without any pills. would conflict with the Budwig protocol?and are not intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always consult your doctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems. ---------- Yahoo! Groups LinksService. |
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Michael Dorfman
Paul,
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I, for one, would be very interested in seeing the actual study. I have read a few studies wherein "omega 3's" were seen in some negative manner, but where the source of the omega 3's was food that contained far more omega 6's ----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Cates" <paerca@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Vitamin C I recently read a scientific paper on the action of Vitamin C and Enot intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always consult your doctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems. Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Wilhelm Hansen
Catherine,
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If you look at the research study in msg# 938 which I referred to this morning and which Paul is also referring to, you will see that the two antioxidants that were found to reduce the anti-cancer effect of FO, were vitamin E and vitamin C. What we don't know is whether the anti-cancer effect was reduced because of the vitamin E, or because of the vitamin C or because of a combined effect. Since the researchers did not answer that, I cannot be sure either. From what I have read by Dr.Budwig, she mentions antioxidants in general, not the individual ones. Linus Pauling sure did great work. So did Johanna Budwig. Pauling knew of Budwig's work and did not use it. Budwig knew of Pauling's work and did not use it. I used to be one of the original vitamin C proponents beginning in the early 1960s when 100 mg per tablet was about the highest level you could find. That was before Linus Pauling's work popularized vitamin C. Unfortunately, vitamin C didn't prevent my wife from getting cancer in the mid 1970s. I did not know about Dr.Budwig then, but had I known, I am confident that her cancer and subsequent surgery would have been avoided. When I bought Pauling's book "Cancer and Vitamin C", shortly after it was published in 1981, I was disappointed with the results he and Dr.Cameron got in that Scottish Hospital and I felt I could not rely on it in a big way for cancer prevention, but I kept taking it along with just about everything else that came along and that sounded convincing. I realize that since then more work has been done on vitamin C, and that Rath has taken this work further in conjunction with other nutrients, but my former confidence in supplemental vitamin C has never been quite the same. Then in 2000, I found out about Dr.Budwig. My disappointment with Pauling's cancer results gave way to amazement with what I read of Budwig. That seemed to be the answer. The more I read, the more I became enthused and I have concentrated on her work ever since then. I gradually dropped almost all supplements that I have been taking. Now I hardly take any of them anymore. Consider is that there have been healthy people around who lived long and productive lifes long before Linus Pauling's work with vitamin C and long before Szent-Georgi discovered it in 1937. These people in former times obviously received adequate and high quality vitamin C from fresh fruit and vegetables. This vitamin C in its natural complex is of high quality - higher in quality IMO than the man-made ascorbic acid, or in whatever form it is taken. It is quite different with essential fatty acids. They are needed for the utilization of the most basic of all our requirements: Oxygen. Without EFAs we literally suffocate. Yet the very important LNA component of the EFAs, which also has been around for eons, has gradually been replaced with hydrogenated fats by an ignorant and greedy industry in the last hundred years or so, to the point where the LNA is almost eliminated from our diets. This two pronged attack on our health (removal of LNA and introduction of hydrogenated killer fats) is more than we can stand. More and more people fall ill with all kinds of degenerative diseases, mostly cancer. This is where the Budwig Diet comes in, either to correct the health problem or to prevent it in the first place. I would not risk reducing the effectiveness of the Budwig Diet, while taking it to fight cancer, by taking antioxidant supplements of any kind, including vitamin C, unless someone can say for sure that it is not a problem. Remember, Dr.Budwig did not give her patients any pills and look at her success rate. Wilhelm ----- Original Message -----
From: Catherine Coy To: FlaxSeedOil2@... Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Vitamin C What about Vitamin C supplementation as an adjunct to Budwig? Linus Pauling did lots of valuable work re cancer/Vitamin C that makes me think it's invaluable. |
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Paul Cates
Michael,
I read through hundreds of these studies every few days. I cannot make a promise that I will find that particular study but I will try. Paul --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Michael Dorfman" <md@k...> wrote: Paul,negative manner,more omega 6'sE Iton the action of omega 3's ability to slow the growth of cancer. toturns out that the action of C and E inhibited omega 3's ability answer. Islow cancer even though they didn't know by what action. If I can sinceread a book on CoQ-10 in the mid 1990s and have been taking it pills.then but in a much smaller dose than what you are taking. I still Q10 educationalwouldconflict with the Budwig protocol? consultand are not intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always ----your doctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems. Terms of----------Yahoo! Groups Links and areService. not intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always consult yourdoctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems.Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Catherine Coy
Wilhelm, thanks for your very thoughtful and thorough answer. It never made sense to me to take mega-doses of Vitamin C since one can't get mega-doses in nature. Dr. Budwig's hypotheses make the best sense to me, too, and were I to be stricken with cancer, I would follow it to the letter. For now, I take FO/CC prophylactically...and it helps my mild arthritis.
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From: Wilhelm Hansen To: FlaxSeedOil2@... Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Vitamin C Catherine, If you look at the research study in msg# 938 which I referred to this morning and which Paul is also referring to, you will see that the two antioxidants that were found to reduce the anti-cancer effect of FO, were vitamin E and vitamin C. What we don't know is whether the anti-cancer effect was reduced because of the vitamin E, or because of the vitamin C or because of a combined effect. Since the researchers did not answer that, I cannot be sure either. From what I have read by Dr.Budwig, she mentions antioxidants in general, not the individual ones. Linus Pauling sure did great work. So did Johanna Budwig. Pauling knew of Budwig's work and did not use it. Budwig knew of Pauling's work and did not use it. I used to be one of the original vitamin C proponents beginning in the early 1960s when 100 mg per tablet was about the highest level you could find. That was before Linus Pauling's work popularized vitamin C. Unfortunately, vitamin C didn't prevent my wife from getting cancer in the mid 1970s. I did not know about Dr.Budwig then, but had I known, I am confident that her cancer and subsequent surgery would have been avoided. When I bought Pauling's book "Cancer and Vitamin C", shortly after it was published in 1981, I was disappointed with the results he and Dr.Cameron got in that Scottish Hospital and I felt I could not rely on it in a big way for cancer prevention, but I kept taking it along with just about everything else that came along and that sounded convincing. I realize that since then more work has been done on vitamin C, and that Rath has taken this work further in conjunction with other nutrients, but my former confidence in supplemental vitamin C has never been quite the same. Then in 2000, I found out about Dr.Budwig. My disappointment with Pauling's cancer results gave way to amazement with what I read of Budwig. That seemed to be the answer. The more I read, the more I became enthused and I have concentrated on her work ever since then. I gradually dropped almost all supplements that I have been taking. Now I hardly take any of them anymore. Consider is that there have been healthy people around who lived long and productive lifes long before Linus Pauling's work with vitamin C and long before Szent-Georgi discovered it in 1937. These people in former times obviously received adequate and high quality vitamin C from fresh fruit and vegetables. This vitamin C in its natural complex is of high quality - higher in quality IMO than the man-made ascorbic acid, or in whatever form it is taken. It is quite different with essential fatty acids. They are needed for the utilization of the most basic of all our requirements: Oxygen. Without EFAs we literally suffocate. Yet the very important LNA component of the EFAs, which also has been around for eons, has gradually been replaced with hydrogenated fats by an ignorant and greedy industry in the last hundred years or so, to the point where the LNA is almost eliminated from our diets. This two pronged attack on our health (removal of LNA and introduction of hydrogenated killer fats) is more than we can stand. More and more people fall ill with all kinds of degenerative diseases, mostly cancer. This is where the Budwig Diet comes in, either to correct the health problem or to prevent it in the first place. I would not risk reducing the effectiveness of the Budwig Diet, while taking it to fight cancer, by taking antioxidant supplements of any kind, including vitamin C, unless someone can say for sure that it is not a problem. Remember, Dr.Budwig did not give her patients any pills and look at her success rate. Wilhelm ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine Coy To: FlaxSeedOil2@... Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Vitamin C What about Vitamin C supplementation as an adjunct to Budwig? Linus Pauling did lots of valuable work re cancer/Vitamin C that makes me think it's invaluable. Note: The contents of the posts on FlaxSeedOil2 are purely educational and are not intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always consult your doctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FlaxSeedOil2-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Paul Cates
OK I promised if I found it I would post it. Well here it is. I know
it has to do with fish oil, but the body converts LNA into the same PUFA as fish oil, so eventually the paths are equal. Notice that the addition of the chemotherapy drug cisplatin did work better with the C and E but the omega 3 was more efficient as a cancer inhibitor with out supplemental C and E. Suppression of tumor growth and metastasis by dietary fish oil combined with vitamins E and C and cisplatin. Yam D, Peled A, Shinitzky M. Department of Biological Chemistry, The Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel. PURPOSE: The anticancer activity of omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids (omega-3 PUFA) has been shown in a large number of studies. This study was undertaken to analyze the combined effect of omega-3 PUFA and antioxidative vitamins on the level of spontaneous metastatic dissemination. The supportive effect of this dietary combination on chemotherapy with cisplatin (CP) was determined in parallel. METHODS: C57BL/6J mice bearing the Lewis lung carcinoma 3LL were fed ad libitum one of three isocaloric diets containing 5% soybean oil supplemented with 40 mg/kg alpha-tocopherol acetate (SO diet), or 4% fish oil plus 1% corn oil, and basal amounts of vitamin E (FO diet) or FO diet supplemented with vitamins E and C (FO+E+C diet). These diets were tested in combination with the conventional cytotoxic agent CP in a series of regimens. Tumor growth, feed consumption, body weight, lung metastasis and lung histology were followed. RESULTS: Both the FO dietary groups showed significantly lower tumor development than the SO group in all examined parameters, indicating that omega-3 PUFA have anticancer activity. However, the FO diet, in comparison with the FO+E+C diet induced a significantly slower rate of tumor growth, and lower metastatic load, as reflected in lung weight. The decrease in the anticancer activity of FO by the addition of vitamins E and C suggests that in situ oxidation of omega- 3 PUFA underlies their anticancer action. It is thus proposed that oxidized omega-3 PUFA accumulates in the membranes and the cytosol of tumor cells, reducing their vitality and eventually leading to their death. No signs of anorexia or cachexia were observed in either FO group, in contrast to the SO group. CP treatment with the SO diet had no apparent therapeutic effect, while with the FO diets it reduced the metastatic load. The best regimen of this combined treatment was FO diet followed by CP treatment with FO diet supplemented with vitamins E and C after resection of the primary growth. This regimen could be translated to a combined therapy for human cancer. CONCLUSIONS: Diets enriched with omega-3 PUFA may have beneficial anticancer effects in particular when containing only basal amounts of antioxidants such as vitamin E or C. Furthermore, the addition of drugs which promote oxidation of omega-3 PUFA, such as ferrous salts (e.g. as prescribed for the treatment of anemia), may further increase these effects. However, the supportive effect of omega-3 PUFA in chemotherapy (e.g. with CP) increases when vitamins E and C are also included. PMID: 11221959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Paul Cates" <paerca@h...> wrote: I recently read a scientific paper on the action of Vitamin C and EIt turns out that the action of C and E inhibited omega 3's ability to |
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Catherine Coy
The problem, Paul, with mice studies is that they rarely correlate the same in humans.
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From: Paul Cates To: FlaxSeedOil2@... Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:07 PM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Vitamin C OK I promised if I found it I would post it. Well here it is. I know it has to do with fish oil, but the body converts LNA into the same PUFA as fish oil, so eventually the paths are equal. Notice that the addition of the chemotherapy drug cisplatin did work better with the C and E but the omega 3 was more efficient as a cancer inhibitor with out supplemental C and E. Suppression of tumor growth and metastasis by dietary fish oil combined with vitamins E and C and cisplatin. Yam D, Peled A, Shinitzky M. Department of Biological Chemistry, The Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel. PURPOSE: The anticancer activity of omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids (omega-3 PUFA) has been shown in a large number of studies. This study was undertaken to analyze the combined effect of omega-3 PUFA and antioxidative vitamins on the level of spontaneous metastatic dissemination. The supportive effect of this dietary combination on chemotherapy with cisplatin (CP) was determined in parallel. METHODS: C57BL/6J mice bearing the Lewis lung carcinoma 3LL were fed ad libitum one of three isocaloric diets containing 5% soybean oil supplemented with 40 mg/kg alpha-tocopherol acetate (SO diet), or 4% fish oil plus 1% corn oil, and basal amounts of vitamin E (FO diet) or FO diet supplemented with vitamins E and C (FO+E+C diet). These diets were tested in combination with the conventional cytotoxic agent CP in a series of regimens. Tumor growth, feed consumption, body weight, lung metastasis and lung histology were followed. RESULTS: Both the FO dietary groups showed significantly lower tumor development than the SO group in all examined parameters, indicating that omega-3 PUFA have anticancer activity. However, the FO diet, in comparison with the FO+E+C diet induced a significantly slower rate of tumor growth, and lower metastatic load, as reflected in lung weight. The decrease in the anticancer activity of FO by the addition of vitamins E and C suggests that in situ oxidation of omega- 3 PUFA underlies their anticancer action. It is thus proposed that oxidized omega-3 PUFA accumulates in the membranes and the cytosol of tumor cells, reducing their vitality and eventually leading to their death. No signs of anorexia or cachexia were observed in either FO group, in contrast to the SO group. CP treatment with the SO diet had no apparent therapeutic effect, while with the FO diets it reduced the metastatic load. The best regimen of this combined treatment was FO diet followed by CP treatment with FO diet supplemented with vitamins E and C after resection of the primary growth. This regimen could be translated to a combined therapy for human cancer. CONCLUSIONS: Diets enriched with omega-3 PUFA may have beneficial anticancer effects in particular when containing only basal amounts of antioxidants such as vitamin E or C. Furthermore, the addition of drugs which promote oxidation of omega-3 PUFA, such as ferrous salts (e.g. as prescribed for the treatment of anemia), may further increase these effects. However, the supportive effect of omega-3 PUFA in chemotherapy (e.g. with CP) increases when vitamins E and C are also included. PMID: 11221959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Paul Cates" <paerca@h...> wrote: > I recently read a scientific paper on the action of Vitamin C and E > on the action of omega 3's ability to slow the growth of cancer. It > turns out that the action of C and E inhibited omega 3's ability to > slow cancer even though they didn't know by what action. If I can > find that study again I will post it. > Paul Note: The contents of the posts on FlaxSeedOil2 are purely educational and are not intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always consult your doctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FlaxSeedOil2-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Michael Dorfman
Thanks Paul
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From: "Paul Cates" <paerca@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:07 PM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Vitamin C OK I promised if I found it I would post it. Well here it is. I knownot intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always consult your doctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems. Yahoo! Groups Links |
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