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Hi there, I'm new in the group,I'm a woman 50 years old with ovarian
cancer stage 4,after a bad chemo sesion with Topotecan I lost a lot
of weight and become so weak I can barely move from my bed.
Now I started a new chemo course with cisplatin which seems working
fine but I am exhausted,I have read your article regarding chemo and
I quite agree with you, I'm on Dr. Budwig diet for a month now and
I'm considering to stop all the chemo and concentrate only on the FO
diet and some additional non conventional treatments. Has anybody
advice for me? did somebody try something like that?
Thanks in advance
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I would continue with the cisplatin, I took carboplatin, which put me in
remission, Have uterine cancer stage 4, Nov 24, 1999. I would continue the
flaxseed oil regimen, and recommend you try and eat little meals. Your body needs
the food to fight back, and the body needs food to heal too.
Cynthia
Cynthia
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P.s. I would be very careful with non conventional treatments. I took Royal
Tonga Limu (a brown seaweed tonic) which my cancer cells loved and excelled.
Ended up with new tumor a 6 cm tumor, after my tumors were cut out last March,
and also ended up with bone tumors in my back and hip. Please be careful,
been there, done that!!
Cynthia
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On Tuesday 20 July 2004 08:07 am, yaffabenavraham wrote: Hi there, I'm new in the group,I'm a woman 50 years old with ovarian
cancer stage 4,after a bad chemo sesion with Topotecan I lost a lot
of weight and become so weak I can barely move from my bed.
Now I started a new chemo course with cisplatin which seems working
fine but I am? exhausted,I have read your article regarding chemo
and I quite agree with you, I'm on Dr. Budwig diet for a month now
and I'm considering to stop all the chemo and concentrate only on the
FO diet and some additional non conventional treatments. Has anybody
advice for me? did somebody try something like that?
Thanks in advance **** This is a subject that is difficult to answer here without being accused of practicing medicine without a license. I will put on a couple of of documents which may give some ideas. If there is anyone on the list who has been cured of cancer with chemo they should answer and give details. Cliff
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I must say, I am perplexed by your post. Have you forgotten that this is an alternative site?
Wilhelm
I would continue with the cisplatin, I took carboplatin, which put me in
remission, Have uterine cancer stage 4, Nov 24, 1999. I would continue the
flaxseed oil regimen, and recommend you try and eat little meals. Your body needs
the food to fight back, and the body needs food to heal too.
Cynthia
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Hello,
Am I to understand we have to choose between conventional and alternative
treatments? Is everything either black or white? Is there no middle of the road,
no gray areas?
I believe in alternative methods, but not everything seems to work for
everyone. So should we allow our health to decline while looking for the right
thing(s) that work for each of us. Can we not do conventional treatments (if they
help) either along side alternative things or long enough to get a hold on an
illness while we look for the right alternative treatment(s)? Even once we
find the right alternative for us, it takes time to learn the "HOW TO" with
them. For example I am still trying to find Cottage cheese around me that isn't
filled with preservatives and what not. I used to take FLAXSEED whole, because I
didn't know it needed to be ground. I also didn't know that flaxoil without
the right protein would cause more ham than good. It takes time, patience and
the right resources to grow in the right areas.
"I" in all good conscience couldn't tell someone to stop treatments as long
as there was a need. I am not a medical Doctor. I would tell them things that I
think may help in addition to what they were doing. Even things that may help
stop or reverse side effects or physical/emotional damage of the conventional
treatments.
I think the best things that we can offer eachother after information - is
support and respect of eachothers' choices. I appreciate being supported in my
decisions to do converntional treatments as well as my alternatives. I don't
want anyone telling me I can't do my alternatives, but by the same token I don't
want anyone telling me I can't do conventional ones either. They can tell me
what they would do in my situation, but then the decision is mine. I am the
one who has to live with or not live with the decisions made, one way or
another.
I have cancer, I tried some alternative things, unfortunately for me THEY
DIDN'T STOP OR ERASE THE CANCER. My Doctors are aware of what I do/or not do with
my alternatives. They are very supportive of my doing it. Once in awhile
they tell me not to do something, but that is rare. The only one thing they told
me not to take, that I can think of off hand, was NOT TO TAKE SOY. Now with
new findings I find that was good advice for me.
I was down the last time MY CANCER CAME BACK AND SAID WELL MY ALTERNATIVES
DIDN'T HELP -- My Doctor told me: "You don't know that, your cancer could have
come back sooner or been worse had I not done those things." They always
encourage me to do whatever I think helps! Infact, as a rule they offer me
something alternative whenever possible to help with side effects of treatments. Some
of the things prescribed to me was: B6, B12, Potassium, Ted hose for
swelling, chew ice during treatment to avoid mouth sores and some other things along
these lines. My GYN prescribed Vitamin E to help with female issues after my
hysterectomy, instead of hormones. Believe this or not, my ONC told a fellow
Breast cancer patient to eat: Ground flax seed in her yogurt! I realize that
many Doctors feel threatened by their patients doing things outside of their
practice, but I guess those are doctors we need to avoid. I try to find supportive
doctors. As it stands now, they tell me if I can find something that will
help me, in my situation, I should go for it. I should be sure to let them know
about it so they can make note and possibly help another patient of theirs.
I have just completed a little more than a year of CONVENTIONAL TREATMENTS.
Although I never liked the idea of Chemo and hated every treatment ... IT DID
TAKE THE CANCER BACK. My doctors have told me from the start, there is no cure
for my type of cancer and they don't even know for sure what causes it. They
are just doing the best they can to control a chronic illness for as long as
they can.
NOW ONCE AGAIN I AM AT A CROSSROADS AND NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER DECISION. Since
my cancer is under control, I am choosing to do ALTERNATIVE more, in hopes it
will stop the cancer forever. But to be honest if the cancer comes back again
anyway, I will do whatever it takes to live, even if it is conventional. I
would hope that the group would understand and support me if it is what I decide
is best for me.
Sue
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Normally, I just read and don't read. That is a big decision for you to
take, just keep an eye out on your cancer markers. The flaxseed oil was a life
saver for me, when I had a stroke after chemo, and it brought me back to life.
My daughter was against alternative, I had no choice, it was either die or
try conventional. My cancer was stage Iv, all in my lymph nodes throughout my
body, and was given 6 to 12 months to live. The chemo put me in remission.
Just eat healthy, take your vitamins, etc. I've been there, done that, and
this Nov will be my 5th year. Last year, I had stomach surgery again to remove
2 tumors, and tumor grew back, and it was in my back vertebrae and my right
hip. Radiation, thank the Lord, took it away. I was never so scared in my
life, the first go around, I didn't have any sense to be scared, even went to
work at our florist shop 5 days after a hyster.
I am glad I took the chemo, I am glad I was on the flaxseed oil, etc.
Am just happy to be alive!!
A stage IV uterine cancer patient
Cynthia
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Hi Wilma: I'm sorry if I offended you with my chemo post, that's why I
rarely write in. I am in favored of flaxseed oil, which literally gave me my life
back after a stroke in year 2000.
Cynthia
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Wilhelm, Cynthia was responding by request of Cliff's post on those treated with chemo as she has and is sharing her experience with this poster. No one here has forgotten what this site represents. Pat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quote"This is a subject that is difficult to answer here without being accused of practicing medicine without a license. I will put on a couple of of documents which may give some ideas. If there is anyone on the list who has been cured of cancer with chemo they should answer and give details. Cliff"end quote ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Wilhelm Hansen" <wilhelmh@t...> wrote:
I must say, I am perplexed by your post. Have you forgotten that this is an alternative site?
Wilhelm
I would continue with the cisplatin, I took carboplatin, which
put me in remission, Have uterine cancer stage 4, Nov 24, 1999. I would continue the flaxseed oil regimen, and recommend you try and eat little meals. Your body needs the food to fight back, and the body needs food to heal too.
Cynthia
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Why would you be perplexed? I think the person gave an honest answer to someone seeking information. --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Wilhelm Hansen" <wilhelmh@t...> wrote:
I must say, I am perplexed by your post. Have you forgotten that this is an alternative site?
Wilhelm
I would continue with the cisplatin, I took carboplatin, which
put me in remission, Have uterine cancer stage 4, Nov 24, 1999. I would continue the flaxseed oil regimen, and recommend you try and eat little meals. Your body needs the food to fight back, and the body needs food to heal too.
Cynthia
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Pat,
It was not Cynthia's experience that surprised me. I have read much of her story before. It was her recommendation to stay on chemo. We should not recommend to go on or off chemo. These are important personal decisions. We do not practice medicine. We give/share information and experiences. This is from our Group Description: "Members give personal experiences, opinions and information for educational purposes."
Regarding Cliff's question, he said: "If there is anyone on the list who has been cured of cancer with chemo they should answer and give details. Please note the word "cured" in there, I believe that word did not slip in there by accident. Cynthia did not say that she was cured. She said she was in remission. Remission is what is expected with chemo, but what then? It does not address the underlying problem and it leaves the body in worse shape than it was before, less capable of fending off diseases. More and more knowledgeable medical people are saying this. Dr.Budwig was probably the first one. She was totally opposed to chemo. She says that it is the wrong approach because it is a growth inhibiting method and that too much growth is not the problem. What is required is a method that promotes healthy growth, which is what her method does. Therefore chemo interferes with her method.
Wilhelm
Wilhelm,
Cynthia was responding by request of Cliff's post on those treated
with chemo as she has and is sharing her experience with this poster.
No one here has forgotten what this site represents.
Pat
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This is my second try as my first message did not (yet?) make the board. It could end up in a double posting. Pat, It was not Cynthia's experience that surprised me. I have read much of her story before. It was her recommendation to stay on chemo. We should not recommend to go on or off chemo. These are important personal decisions. We do not practice medicine. We give/share information and experiences. This is from our Group Description: "Members give personal experiences, opinions and information for educational purposes." Regarding Cliff's question, he said: "If there is anyone on the list who has been cured of cancer with chemo they should answer and give details. Please note the word "cured" in there, I believe that word did not slip in there by accident. Cynthia did not say that she was cured. She said she was in remission. Remission is what is expected with chemo, but what then? It does not address the underlying problem and it leaves the body in worse shape than it was before, less capable of fending off diseases. More and more knowledgeable medical people are saying this. Dr.Budwig was probably the first one. She was totally opposed to chemo. She says that it is the wrong approach because it is a growth inhibiting method and that too much growth is not the problem. What is required is a method that promotes healthy growth, which is what her method does. Therefore chemo interferes with her method. Wilhelm --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "P. Thomas" <pt50@c...> wrote: Wilhelm,
Cynthia was responding by request of Cliff's post on those treated
with chemo as she has and is sharing her experience with this poster. No one here has forgotten what this site represents.
Pat
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Honesty is not the point here. I was not questioning that. Please see my previous post on this subject. Wilhelm --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "igetwhipsawd" <bggoodwin@a...> wrote: Why would you be perplexed? I think the person gave an honest
answer to someone seeking information.
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From: "Wilhelm Hansen" <wilhelmh@...>
<<We should not recommend to go on or off chemo....Cliff's question,
he said: "If there is anyone on the list who has been cured of cancer
with chemo they should answer and give details. Please note the word
"cured" in there, I believe that word did not slip in there by
accident. Cynthia did not say that she was cured. She said she was in
remission. Remission is what is expected with chemo>>
In the vast majority of cases, even remission is not expected from
chemo, not even "partial remission". And even tumor shrinkage/"partial
remission" does NOT necessarily mean increased life expectancy (Moss,
_Questioning Chemotherapy_).
<<but what then? It does not address the underlying problem and it
leaves the body in worse shape than it was before, less capable of
fending off diseases. More and more knowledgeable medical people are
saying this. Dr.Budwig....chemo interferes with her method.>>
I agree completely.
Although I largely don't share your views, Cynthia, I believe that you
intentions are entirely good, and I believe you have every right to
state your opinions.
Leonard
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hello again Carolyne
Yes of course this is a flax seed and oil discussion group, but perhaps a few
of us have chosen fo,cc instead of conventional therapies for health reasons,
in my case it is my husbands breast cancer,
We are at the early diagnoses stage and have had chemo and radio and hormone
therapy 'thrown ' at us by his doctors, all they say is he must start straight
away , so for me anyway any discussion of chemo is interesting so perhaps if
we mentioned it in the subject line others wouldn't be annoyed buy opening
mails that were slightly off topic but still relevant?
Just an idea
Rebecca
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Chemo is...... poisoning the body to make it healthy. Absurb. Please, no more talk of chemo. I have watched too many co-workers over the years lose their health with chemo.It is sickening (literally). Let's keep this list about using Budwig's protocol and related/supportive alternative protocols. Thanks, Carolyn
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