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Fear of doing the Budwig Diet only.
Cindy Becker
I read your messages every day, and find comfort in your thoughts. I
submitted a question last month for my husband who was diagnosed with limited Stage IV Lung Cancer. The response made me go back and review our daily routine and modify a couple areas my husband was slacking on. For the last 30 days, I have made sure that he has implemented all recommendations. Those areas were minor (drinking a glass of fresh juice 2-3 a day, instead of once a day, also switching from baking soda, to the organic sauerkraut juice). Other than that he is 100% on the Budwig Diet. It has been 3 months since the first x-ray indicated something on his lung, which we assumed was pneumonia... not. He was recommended to a local onocologist, who terrified both of us. I have never met a professional who spoke so harshly against nutrional therapy. He told us that my husband was to stop all, because it could effect the chemo. When I asked how exactly it could interfere, he said there wasn't any definite documentation, but "they" preferred their patients to adhere to their requests. Needless to say, we have not gone back. P.S. this doctor told my husband that if he didn't do anything he would have 2-3 months to live. We have just finished the third month, since this whole ordeal began. Needless to say he is still alive and doing very well. My husband is now a patient of a very good onocologist with the Siteman Cancer Center in St. Louis. He is less closed minded to nutritional therapy, but still makes his money on chemo. My husband was to start chemo tommorow (Tuesday Aug 14), but has decided to push it back. Where our fear lies is with the unknown. We both are scared to death of chemo, not only from what we read in the alternative sites, but from what we read in the American Cancer Society sites. They do not do a great job on selling their theories. We have an appointment with another doctor on Tuesday (Aug. 14) his expertise lies within nutrional and "alternative" medicines. He is highly respected and was actually recommended by my husband's current onocologist. I guess our biggest fear is "are we doing the right thing" when everyone around us is pushing for chemo. If we are not under the care of a physician (onocologist) how can we monitor my husband's progress? I guess like everyone else who faces this disease, we are just looking for some encouragement. Not only do the doctors question our judgement, but our family and friends think we are endangering my husband's health. I know it is his life and we have to stay strong, but a little help to build our confidence would be greatly appreciated. PS, regarding spending all your time caring for this disease, there is only one alternative . . . I wouldn't change it for a moment. Besides, being a chef in a restaurant, I spend approximately 16-18 hours a day working with food. I find Dr. Budwig's recommendations intriquing and a challenge to experiment. You'd be amazed at the variations you can create with her ingredients. The further I get into them, I will share. This group is a blessing, and helps me begin my day. Thank you. CIndy |
I am doing alternative treatment for my stage 4 lung cancer. In 2
1/2 years it has not grown. I am not doing the Budwig diet but believe in it entirely. Many people put into remission. Onocologists like you to believe that you have to act on the chemo RIGHT NOW or else. From research I find that you do indead have time to decide on what alternative treatment that you think is right for you. I have a friend, same age as me who went for conventional treatment. Now going for extensive chemo 2x a week. She is very sick from this, her face is so swollen that one can hardly recognize her and she has lost almost all of her hair. I am doing well. The bottomline is that everyone has to decide which treatment is best for them. Good luck and God bless. Patricia in CA --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Cindy Becker" wrote: I read your messages every day, and find comfort in yourthoughts. I submitted a question last month for my husband who was diagnosed with limited Stage IV Lung Cancer. The response made me go back and review our daily routine and modify a couple areas my husband was slacking on. For the last 30 days, I have made sure that he has implemented all recommendations. Those areas were minor (drinking a glass of fresh juice 2-3 a day, instead of once a day, also switching from baking soda, to the organic sauerkraut juice). Other than that he is 100% on the Budwig Diet. It has been 3 months since the first x-ray indicated something on his lung, which we assumed was pneumonia... not. He was recommended to a local onocologist, who terrified both of us. I have never met a professional who spoke so harshly against nutrional therapy. He told us that my husband was to stop all, because it could effect the chemo. When I asked how exactly it could interfere, he said there wasn't any definite documentation, but "they" preferred their patients to adhere to their requests. Needless to say, we have not gone back. P.S. this doctor told my husband that if he didn't do anything he would have 2-3 months to live. We have just finished the third month, since this whole ordeal began. Needless to say he is still alive and doing very well. My husband is now a patient of a very good onocologist with thehusband was to start chemo tommorow (Tuesday Aug 14), but has decided to push it back. Where our fear lies is with the unknown. We both are scared to death of chemo, not only from what we read in the alternative sites, but from what we read in the American Cancertheories. We have an appointment with another doctor on Tuesday (Aug. 14) hisis highly respected |
Cindy,
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I, too, had similar experiences w/ oncologists and family members. I found an oncologist that supported me in my choices. Also, family members that think I'm not fighting this cancer because I'm not going the conventional route--if they only realized how much time I spend each day "fighting" this!! A friend told me to give this reply, "When you have cancer, you can deal w/ yours as you see fit. I will deal w/ mine as I see fit." I believe there are quite a few of us on this list that have an oncologists, but are not doing the conventional. Ask your oncologist if he would be willing to just monitor your husband. Ask some of the alternative drs. in the area if they know of one that is sympathetic. My oncologist, "who is alternatively minded", is known by some of the alternative drs. in my metropolitan area. You'd be surprised at how connected they are. I, for one, look forward to hearing more of your creations w/ the Budwig diet!! Jan --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Cindy Becker" <pacojoe@...> wrote:
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Melanie King
Cindy,
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One of the things that caused me to turn to alternative therapies rather than to submit to conventional medicine was ignorant statements like the one you mentioned by your oncologist. I was told by a nurse at a reconstructive surgeon's office to just go ahead and stop all nutritional supplements immediately (this was long before I was into Budwig) because the doctor would not want me on them. IT'S NOT HIS BODY. The breast surgeon gave me literature telling me to eat high fat, high sugar foods because they wanted to make sure that cancer patients DID NOT lose weight. I ended up doing no conventional treatment at all - they annoyed me so badly with their self-serving "knowledge." If they can keep you sick, then they can keep on killing you with their "cures." As far as fear - I chose alternative methods to AVOID unnecessary fear. Everyone I know who has undergone conventional treatment for cancer lives in constant fear that their cancer has returned. If I had done the mastectomy, my palpable tumors would be gone, and I would be running in constantly for scans to see if the cancer has popped up anywhere else in my body just like all those other people I know. I don't want to live that way. And we all know people who did absolutely everything their conventional docs recommended who are D-E-A-D. There are a few people in my life who are pressuring me to "do something" about my cancer. They act like they think I'm trying to commit suicide or something. I have to remind myself that I am not living my life to please other people. And, honestly, none of them know what they would do if it happened to them. I never really considered how I would respond to the news "you have breast cancer" until it happened to me. Now I tell people that if they hear that I have submitted to surgery, chemo, or radiation, they can just figure that I've decided to go ahead and let them kill me. Most people I talk to admire my decision, or, if they don't, they're too afraid of me to say so! I seem to have a gift to not be a worrier, so I don't want to trivialize anyone else's fears, but I would just encourage you not to waste your healing energy on fear or worry. Use the knowledge that you have gained to proceed with confidence. When someone tells me that they are worried about me, I say, "I don't need any more people to worry about me, but please pray for me!" Melanie ----- Original Message -----
From: Cindy Becker We have an appointment with another doctor on Tuesday (Aug. 14) his expertise lies within nutrional and "alternative" medicines. He is highly respected and was actually recommended by my husband's current onocologist. I guess our biggest fear is "are we doing the right thing" when everyone around us is pushing for chemo. . |
Turmeric4
Melanie,
Very well said! I couldn't have said it better myself. I have stage IV breast cancer and I actually had an oncologist say to me (when I was concerned about pain in my back some months after my lumpectomy) "Well, breast cancer is breast cancer"! I was dumbfounded. Well, the MRI showed 4 lesions in my back some months after he made that statement. Karen --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Melanie King" <melanie@...> wrote: rather than to submit to conventional medicine was ignorant statements like the one you mentioned by your oncologist. I was told by a nurse at a reconstructive surgeon's office to just go ahead and stop all nutritional supplements immediately (this was long before I was into Budwig) because the doctor would not want me on them. IT'S NOT HIS BODY. The breast surgeon gave me literature telling me to eat high fat, high sugar foods because they wanted to make sure that cancer patients DID NOT lose weight. I ended up doing no conventional treatment at all - they annoyed me so badly with their self-serving "knowledge." If they can keep you sick, then they can keep on killing you with their "cures." fear. Everyone I know who has undergone conventional treatment for cancer lives in constant fear that their cancer has returned. If I had done the mastectomy, my palpable tumors would be gone, and I would be running in constantly for scans to see if the cancer has popped up anywhere else in my body just like all those other people I know. I don't want to live that way. And we all know people who did absolutely everything their conventional docs recommended who are D-E- A-D. something" about my cancer. They act like they think I'm trying to commit suicide or something. I have to remind myself that I am not living my life to please other people. And, honestly, none of them know what they would do if it happened to them. I never really considered how I would respond to the news "you have breast cancer" until it happened to me. Now I tell people that if they hear that I have submitted to surgery, chemo, or radiation, they can just figure that I've decided to go ahead and let them kill me. Most people I talk to admire my decision, or, if they don't, they're too afraid of me to say so! trivialize anyone else's fears, but I would just encourage you not to waste your healing energy on fear or worry. Use the knowledge that you have gained to proceed with confidence. When someone tells me that they are worried about me, I say, "I don't need any more people to worry about me, but please pray for me!" his expertise lies within nutrional and "alternative" medicines. Heis highly respected and was actually recommended by my husband'scurrent onocologist. I guess our biggest fear is "are we doing the right |
Cindy,
Stepping away from the mainstream is a hard thing to do until you have committed to the decision. Fear is not what you should base your decison on. Prayer and research are much better ways to decide. The doctors are "practicing medicine" as they were taught, and are required to do (as taught in medical schools that are often supported [or funded by] by research dollars from the drug industry). They are also taught how to state dismal facts so they sound encouraging (and Oncologists, are extremely well practised here!). Some would like to have more to offer, but can't. Others are looking at the "bottom line," patient in chemo, money in pocket. You do need to have someone to monitor the progress of the decisions you and your husband make, but the decisions are not the doctors to make, they are your husband's. Most doctors are not encouraged to take nutrition (or understand it). You have a greater understanding as a chef than most doctors do. Budwig had several advanced degrees, was nominated for 6 or 7 Nobel prizes for starters, but she also had a 50+ year history of incredible sucesses with her protocol. Michael gave us some of her background in this post But you are not here because you have to be convinced of her protocol. It is more likely because you both "feel" there is a better way that your husband can survive this ordeal and want come out of it without his health being so compromised (as traditional medicine would cause). And there is! Many of us have "felt" the truth of this protocol before we began to understand much of it. We know that food can be a powerful tool regarding health. Our bodies were created in such a way as to be able to overcome or adapt to problems if we will take the time to help our bodies do this. This is what Budwig did so well with...and she never sold out the truth for money. She never "manipulated" the truth to get wealthy. I wish I could say the drug companies held to the same high ideals! I pray that you will both have the courage to stand up to the scrutiny of choosing this path if this is where your heart and intutition has lead you. I know without a doubt, you will find you will be better and stronger for doing so. Confidence will come with practice, after all, it is the same practice that makes the Oncologist so convincing! The "side effects" of Budwig are much more encouraging than the "side effects" of chemo! So many thoughts have come up while I have been writing this. I hope I have not rambled too much or been to confusing. Most of all I hope God will provide you with the peace and confidence you long for in this journey. That will be my prayer for you both tonight. Blessings. Martha --- , "Cindy Becker" wrote: I submitted a question last month for my husband who was diagnosed with limited Stage IV Lung Cancer. The response made me go back and review our daily routine and modify a couple areas my husband was slacking on. For the last 30 days, I have made sure that he has implemented all recommendations. Those areas were minor (drinking a glass of fresh juice 2-3 a day, instead of once a day, also switching from baking soda, to the organic sauerkraut juice). Other than that he is 100% on the Budwig Diet. It has been 3 months since the first x-ray indicated something on his lung, which we assumed was pneumonia... not. He was recommended to a local onocologist, who terrified both of us. I have never met a professional who spoke so harshlyagainst nutrional therapy. He told us that my husband was to stop all, because it could effect the chemo. When I asked how exactly it could interfere, he said there wasn't any definite documentation, but "they" preferred their patients to adhere to their requests.ordeal began. Needless to say he is still alive and doing very well.husband was to start chemo tommorow (Tuesday Aug 14), but has decided topush it back. Where our fear lies is with the unknown. We both aretheories. current onocologist. I guess our biggest fear is "are we doing the rightwe monitor my husband's progress? I guess like everyone else whofaces this disease, we are just looking for some encouragement. Not onlylife and we have to stay strong, but a little help to build ourconfidence would be greatly appreciated. |
Vilik Rapheles
Cindy wrote:
If we are not under the care of a physician (onocologist) how can we monitor my husband's progress? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cindy, I don't know if I am especially fortunate, but my oncologist absolutely respects my decision, never brings up chemo any more, and does any diagnostic test I want. I've had appts with "the other kind" and I know how harsh it can be. I hope you find one of "the good kind." Maybe the one you have will be that one. Trust your heart and your intelligence. Other people aren't living your life. Best to you! Angel |
rebecca josephs
Hello Cindy
My husband has/had male breast cancer and we encountered all the same problems with oncologists that you are going through. We have both followed the Budwig regime since his full mastectomy surgery. I will never forget the first oncologist greeting us sarcasticaly when we entered his office, " Here comes the man who is committing suicide". Our adult children and many friends also think we are mad and have made it clear that they do not agree with his decision for the past three years to refuse chemotherapy and hormone treatment. A recent rise in his tumour markers ( after breaking the rules for a period of several months) have made him seriously question his decision to deal with cancer with the protocol. However he is now back on the programme and hoping to find a sympathetic doctor who will prescribe more blood tests and moniter the rising levels of CA 15-3 in a months time. Depending on the results he will consider taking the Femara ( Letrozole) hormone treatment his oncologist has been advocating. I wish you both well with the programme and look forwrd to reading any good new recipes you might invent with permitted ingredients. Rebecca |
Rebecca, Dr.Lee advices against Femara. Please read his book " What your doctor may not tell you about breast cancer". This book really opened my eyes on a lot of aspects of breast cancer along with hormone replacement therapy. Please read it, it may help your husband too, although it is designed for women I am sure men can benefit too.
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From: rebecca josephs <rebeccajosephs@...> To: FlaxSeedOil2@... Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:59:35 AM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re:Fear of doing the Budwig Diet only. Hello Cindy My husband has/had male breast cancer and we encountered all the same problems with oncologists that you are going through. We have both followed the Budwig regime since his full mastectomy surgery. I will never forget the first oncologist greeting us sarcasticaly when we entered his office, " Here comes the man who is committing suicide". Our adult children and many friends also think we are mad and have made it clear that they do not agree with his decision for the past three years to refuse chemotherapy and hormone treatment. A recent rise in his tumour markers ( after breaking the rules for a period of several months) have made him seriously question his decision to deal with cancer with the protocol. However he is now back on the programme and hoping to find a sympathetic doctor who will prescribe more blood tests and moniter the rising levels of CA 15-3 in a months time. Depending on the results he will consider taking the Femara ( Letrozole) hormone treatment his oncologist has been advocating. I wish you both well with the programme and look forwrd to reading any good new recipes you might invent with permitted ingredients. Rebecca ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. |
Jennifer Reese
I certainly know that fear about not doing chemo and, because of that, I succumbed to it two different times. The first time, I passed out (for the first time in my long life) and was put in the hospital - I felt as though I would die and did not try it again. Then a year later and two months ago, tried another, this time an oral. It left me with two stage 4 bedsores, one so deep it went to the muscle. Since they came on in less than 24 hours, there is no possibility it was something else. That poison was trying to get out of my body!
In no way, do I think my decision to never touch it again is right for everyone. But I feel great relief now I don't even consider the possibility anymore. The best to you, Jennifer |
Peter R
Hi Cindy and your husband,
I have managed to get into the world of reducing markers and tumour sizes using only BP and Essiac. However, all along the way I was (reluctantly) ready to use a targeted chemo to buy more time if I had to. (All this agony is documented in earlier posts) I have an alternative doctor, a friend since childhood, who gave me a piece of advice I followed, but may not have mentioned much to the group. He was adamant that I tell NO-ONE about my cancer. I followed this advice initially because I couldnt face telling everyone. I told my wife of course, one other very old friend, and this group. That was it. Not my grown up children, not my ancient mother. No-one. Reading other people's posts I realise what a good piece of advice this was. I do not have to cope with people's attitudes or beliefs in chemo or whatever. I am just treated as normal. I just say my diet is some sort of strict thing for a leg problem. They probably twitter behind my back about the food, but that is a lot easier to cope with than some of the attitudes others have had to face. Better to be regarded as eccentric rather than suicidal I think. I would counsel anyone I met now to take steps to limit the knowledge of their cancer immediately. If you look at Loretta's posts, she has a different slant on the same thing - keep away from people with negative thoughts or attitudes about what you are doing. Best wishes to you both Peter |
Peter Wrote:
"I have managed to get into the world of reducing markers and tumour sizes using only BP and Essiac. However, all along the way I was (reluctantly) ready to use a targeted chemo to buy more time if I had to. (All this agony is documented in earlier posts) I have an alternative doctor, a friend since childhood, who gave me a piece of advice I followed, but may not have mentioned much to the group. He was adamant that I tell NO-ONE about my cancer. I followed this advice initially because I couldnt face telling everyone. I told my wife of course, one other very old friend, and this group. That was it. Not my grown up children, not my ancient mother. No-one. Reading other people's posts I realise what a good piece of advice this was. I do not have to cope with people's attitudes or beliefs in chemo or whatever. I am just treated as normal." Hi Everyone, Although I think everyone has their own way of coping, for myself, I concur with Peter's friend. I have used only the Budwig diet to cure my breast cancer w/mets to the bone. I did not share information about my illness with anyone but my immeditate family ( my husband and 2 of my 4 children ( the adult ones), and one very close friend ( and that was not until the Budwig was in full swing and the pain was gone, and lastly, people on this list . For me, I knew/know that the emotional stress of "well-wishers", however sincere they might be, would be more than I would be able to emotionally handle. As far as the allopathic community, I've been that route, for other illness', before and know full well that the stress of their pressure to succumb to their means is definitely more than I wanted to deal with, knowing in advance that stress is one of the contributor's to the cancer in the first place. I don't share this to stand in judgement of anyone who chooses a different path, I share it to be of support to anyone who might like to keep their condition personal. Kind Regards, Janice |
Rhoda Mead
When I first started BP, I got a whole lot of very strange looks. But I had
nothing to lose because my second course of chemo didn't put me into remission. My family understood very well indeed that if this didn't work, I had no good options. But no one wanted to know what I'm doing. Now that both I and my husband are thriving, most of my friends and relatives are curious about what I'm doing, and how to start. None have cancer, but we are all in our 60's and 70's, so have degenerative diseases. Rhoda |
Rhoda Mead
Hi Peter and Janice, I am so glad that you both found a path that works for
you, not telling others either that you have cancer, or that you are doing BP. In my own life, it was unnecessary. Friends are self-selected to know that I walk to a different drummer in general. Family just knows how eccentric I am. No that all can see that I'm in glowing health, they want in. Rhoda |
Hi Rhoda,
I don't tell people about the cancer because people don't understand that cancer IS NOT a death sentence. Let me try to explain: I had (before BP) a life threatening heart arrhythmia, which causes sudden death in 97% of people. No matter who I told, no one ever really acted like it was that big of a deal. Why???? Does cancer cause sudden death in 97% of people? NO...but people fear cancer more than sudden death! Just tell someone you have cancer and they act like you are doomed and pity you, I truly believe it's out of their own fear. Since BP, I no longer take any meds for my heart arrhythmia..this is phenomenal!!!!! Ask any doc about V-Tach, it's very serious!!! I stopped my meds about 2 months into the protocol and have not taken (or needed them) in over 4 months. I have shared this with many people, I have told them why I no longer need my meds ie the BP. These folks know that I was in ICU twice for this dangerous heart arrythmia and they just sort of say " Oh, that's nice dear." I don't tell people of I have/had cancer because I want them to listen to me when I say that cancer IS NOT a death sentence! I don't want them to say " Oh, that's nice dear". Generally, when people think you are on death's doorstep..no matter how much you say that you can get well by alternative means...they either think your nuts or they don't believe it's true. They are just waiting for the bomb to drop.... I really can't stand that! Why didn't they act that way, when the bomb couldn't have dropped any second via V-Tach??? Please don't misunderstand me...I'm not saying that everyone should feel the way I do...each one here is an individual and has individual circumstances and relationships. Each should do as their heart and the Lord lead them. For me, this is the right thing to do, this is how I can continue to share about the BP and not fear that my credibility is being questioned. Kindest Regards to All, Janice Rhoda Wrote: Hi Peter and Janice, I am so glad that you both found a path that works for you, not telling others either that you have cancer, or that you are doing BP. In my own life, it was unnecessary. Friends are self-selected to know that I walk to a different drummer in general. Family just knows how eccentric I am. No that all can see that I'm in glowing health, they want in. |
Rhoda Wrote:
"Hi Peter and Janice, I am so glad that you both found a path that works for you, not telling others either that you have cancer, or that you are doing BP. In my own life, it was unnecessary. Friends are self-selected to know that I walk to a different drummer in general. Family just knows how eccentric I am. No that all can see that I'm in glowing health, they want in." Hi Rhoda, I don't tell people about the cancer because people don't understand that cancer IS NOT a death sentence. Let me try to explain: I had (before BP) a life threatening heart arrhythmia, which causes sudden death in 97% of people. No matter who I told, no one really acted like it was that big of a deal. Why???? Does cancer cause sudden death in 97% of people? NO...but people fear cancer more than sudden death! Just tell someone you have cancer and they act like you are doomed and pity you, I truly believe it's out of their own fear. Since BP, I no longer take any meds for my heart arrhythmia..this is phenomenal!!!!! Ask any doc about V-Tach, it's very serious!!! I stopped my meds about 2 months into the protocol and have not taken (or needed them) in over 4 months. I have shared this with many people, I have told them why I no longer need my meds because of the BP. These folks know that I was in ICU twice for this dangerous heart arrythmia and they just sort of say, " Oh, that's nice dear." I don't tell people of I have/had cancer because I want them to listen to me when I say that cancer IS NOT a death sentence! I don't want them to say " Oh, that's nice dear". Generally, when people think you are on death's doorstep..no matter how much you say that you can get well by alternative means...they either think your nuts or they don't believe it's true. They are just waiting for the bomb to drop.... I really can't stand that! Why didn't they act that way, when the bomb couldn't have dropped any second via V-Tach??? Please don't misunderstand me...I'm not saying that everyone should feel the way I do...each one here is an individual and has individual circumstances and relationships. Each should do as their heart and the Lord lead them. For me, this is the right thing to do, this is how I can continue to share about the BP and not fear that my credibility is being questioned. Kindest Regards to All, Janice |
I totally uderstand this. I had heart troubles as well and the doctor put me through as few serious tests but could do nothing but give me meds which I refused.
Since starting BP I do not need ANYTHING. My heart is fine EXCEPT when there too much salt in what I eat. I avoidsalt but sometimes, as a guest at someone's house, I forget to ask NOT to add salt to MY serving. martine "Janice Argiro" wrote: Hi Rhoda,ever really acted like it was that big of a deal. Why???? Does cancer cause sudden death in 97% of people? NO...but people fear cancer more than sudden death! Just tell someone you have cancer and they act like you are doomed and pity you, I truly believe it's out of their own fear. Since BP, I no longer take any meds for my heart arrhythmia..this is phenomenal!!!!! Ask any doc about V-Tach, it's very serious!!! I stopped my meds about 2 months into the protocol and have not taken (or needed them) in over 4 months. I have shared this withmany people, I have told them why I no longer need my meds ie the BP. These folks know that I was in ICU twice for this dangerous heart arrythmia and they just sort of say " Oh, that's nice dear." I don't tell people of I have/had cancer because I want them to listen to me when I say that cancer IS NOT a death sentence! I don't want them to say " Oh, that's nice dear"........... |
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