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Please lets not go there. To each his own.
Flo ---
In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "nncav" <organicryan@h...> wrote:

Hi Mr. Beckwith,

regarding: the concerns of your faith

It is good to want to have good political business government.

But

when you read about the external body of Christ, your local
congregation of believers, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15, isn't that where
God is concerned for us? To focus on the church organism setup by
God? If that is so and if we see that something horrible has
happened there in the reading of Matthew 24(true stones being cast
down), because of Revelation 11:7-8, and 2 Thessalonians 2 about
except there come a falling away first (wood, hay, stuble doctrine)
(you said something about crumbling?) that the man of sin may be
revealed may help focus this war you were talking of.

Here is a tract,







--------------



God Bless America


Immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the
Continental
Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of Scripture

for

the
people of this nation. Patrick Henry, who is called the firebrand

of

the
American Revolution, is still remembered for his words, "Give me
liberty
or
give me death"; but in current textbooks, the context of these

words

is
omitted. Here is what he actually said: "An appeal to arms and the

God

of
hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle

alone.

There
is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The

battle,

sir,
is not to the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as

to be

purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty
God. !
I
know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me

liberty,

or
give me death."

These sentences have been erased from our textbooks. Was Patrick
Henry a
Christian? The following year, 1776, he wrote this: "It cannot be
emphasized
too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by
religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the

Gospel

of
Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have

been

afforded freedom of worship here."

Consider these words that Thomas Jefferson wrote in the front of

his

well-worn Bible: "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a

disciple of

the
doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country

will

soon
be
rallied to the unity of our creator." He was also the chairman of

the

American Bible Society, which he considered his highest and most
important
role. On July 4, 1821, President Adams said, "The highest glory of

the

American Revolution was this: "It connected in one indissoluble

bond

the
principles of civil government with the principles of

Christianity."

Calvin Coolidge, our 30th President of the United States

reaffirmed

this
truth when he wrote, "The foundations of our society and our
government
rest
so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to
support
them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically
universal
in
our country." In 1782, the United States Congress voted this
resolution:
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the

Holy

Bible
for use in all schools." William Holmes McGuffey is the author of

the

McGuffey Reader, which was used for over 100 years in our public
schools,
with over 125 million copies sold, until it was stopped in 1963.

President Lincoln called him the "Schoolmaster of the Nation."

Listen

to
these words of Mr. McGuffey: "The Christian religion is the

religion

of
our
country. From it are derived our nation, on the character of God,

on

the
great moral Governor of the universe. On its doctrines are founded

the

peculiarities of our free Institutions. From no source has the

author

drawn
more conspicuously than from the sacred Scriptures. For all these
extracts
from the Bible, I make no apology."

Of the first 108 universities founded in America, 106 were

distinctly

Christian, including the first, Harvard University, chartered in

1636.

In
the original Harvard Student Handbook, rule number 1 was that

students

seeking entrance must know Latin and Greek so that they could

study

the
Scriptures: "Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly
pressed
to consider well, the main end of his life and studies, is, to

know

God
and
Jesus Christ, which is eternal life, John 17:3; and therefore to

lay

Jesus
Christ as the only foundation for our children to follow the moral
principles of the Ten Commandments."

James Madison, the primary author of the Constitution of the United
States,

said this: "We have staked the whole future of all our political
constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern
ourselves
according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments."

Most of what you read in this article has been erased from our
textbooks.
Revisionists have rewritten history to remove the truth about our
country's
Christian roots. You are encouraged to share this with others, so

that

the
truth of our nation's history will be told. This information

shared is

only
a drop of cement to help secure a foundation that is crumbling

daily

in
a
losing war that most of the country doesn't even know is raging

on,

in,
and
around them....

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Hi Chloie:

I have nothing against what Cliff wrote about our fore fathers. What
I was upset about is the site in reply, which says the world is
coming to an end and that Satan shall prevail. I do believe in God.
I pray daily for him to help my husband get well. I Do Not need to
hear about Satan and the ending of the world. I will not be coming
back to this message board. as this kind of thing just upsets me too
much.
How dare you say that some seperate God from life - even as they
struggle for life. I do hope you weren't talking to me.
Thank-you to all those that helped me in the past.

God Bless.
Flo

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., Chloie <chloie@m...> wrote:

No, perhaps we shouldn't get religious on this site, as people

perceive

reality, and value, or devalue it in different ways. Some would

even

seperate God from life - even as they struggle for life. However,

that

does not change history or fact. Thanks to whomever posted the

article

on our forefathers. I have no idea what it was in response to, as

I've

not been following the thread. Regardless, I thank you for posting

these

important facts. GOD bless you.
Chloie


flo_webber wrote:

Please lets not go there. To each his own.

Flo

-

--

In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "nncav" <organicryan@h...>

wrote:

Hi Mr. Beckwith,

regarding: the concerns of your faith

It is good to want to have good political business government.

But

when you read about the external body of Christ, your local
congregation of believers, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15, isn't that

where

God is concerned for us? To focus on the church organism

setup by

God? If that is so and if we see that something horrible has
happened there in the reading of Matthew 24(true stones being

cast

down), because of Revelation 11:7-8, and 2 Thessalonians 2

about

except there come a falling away first (wood, hay, stuble

doctrine)

(you said something about crumbling?) that the man of sin may

be

revealed may help focus this war you were talking of.

Here is a tract,







--------------



God Bless America


Immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the
Continental
Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of

Scripture

for

the
people of this nation. Patrick Henry, who is called the

firebrand

of

the
American Revolution, is still remembered for his words, "Give

me

liberty
or
give me death"; but in current textbooks, the context of these

words

is
omitted. Here is what he actually said: "An appeal to arms and

the

God

of
hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle

alone.

There
is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The

battle,

sir,
is not to the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet

as

to be

purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it

Almighty

God. !
I
know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me

liberty,

or
give me death."

These sentences have been erased from our textbooks. Was

Patrick

Henry a
Christian? The following year, 1776, he wrote this: "It cannot

be

emphasized
too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded

not by

religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the

Gospel

of
Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths

have

been

afforded freedom of worship here."

Consider these words that Thomas Jefferson wrote in the front

of

his

well-worn Bible: "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a

disciple of

the
doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country

will

soon
be
rallied to the unity of our creator." He was also the chairman

of

the

American Bible Society, which he considered his highest and

most

important
role. On July 4, 1821, President Adams said, "The highest

glory of

the

American Revolution was this: "It connected in one indissoluble

bond

the
principles of civil government with the principles of

Christianity."

Calvin Coolidge, our 30th President of the United States

reaffirmed

this
truth when he wrote, "The foundations of our society and our
government
rest
so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be

difficult to

support
them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically
universal
in
our country." In 1782, the United States Congress voted this
resolution:
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the

Holy

Bible
for use in all schools." William Holmes McGuffey is the author

of

the

McGuffey Reader, which was used for over 100 years in our

public

schools,
with over 125 million copies sold, until it was stopped in

1963.

President Lincoln called him the "Schoolmaster of the Nation."

Listen

to
these words of Mr. McGuffey: "The Christian religion is the

religion

of
our
country. From it are derived our nation, on the character of

God,

on

the
great moral Governor of the universe. On its doctrines are

founded

the

peculiarities of our free Institutions. From no source has the

author

drawn
more conspicuously than from the sacred Scriptures. For all

these

extracts
from the Bible, I make no apology."

Of the first 108 universities founded in America, 106 were

distinctly

Christian, including the first, Harvard University, chartered

in

1636.

In
the original Harvard Student Handbook, rule number 1 was that

students

seeking entrance must know Latin and Greek so that they could

study

the
Scriptures: "Let every student be plainly instructed and

earnestly

pressed
to consider well, the main end of his life and studies, is, to

know

God
and
Jesus Christ, which is eternal life, John 17:3; and therefore

to

lay

Jesus
Christ as the only foundation for our children to follow the

moral

principles of the Ten Commandments."

James Madison, the primary author of the Constitution of the

United

States,

said this: "We have staked the whole future of all our

political

constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern
ourselves
according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments."

Most of what you read in this article has been erased from our
textbooks.
Revisionists have rewritten history to remove the truth about

our

country's
Christian roots. You are encouraged to share this with others,

so

that

the
truth of our nation's history will be told. This information

shared is

only
a drop of cement to help secure a foundation that is crumbling

daily

in
a
losing war that most of the country doesn't even know is raging

on,

in,
and
around them....

Note:
The contents of the posts on FlaxSeedOil2 are purely educational

and

are not intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always

consult your

doctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems.


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igetwhipsawed,

We are not a list where all posts have to be approved by the moderators. We only moderate new members until we can see that they are here for the right reasons, and we moderate members who repeatedly disregard they guidelines given in our Group Description. The greatest number of members are not moderated. If any one of them sends a post that contravenes the stated purpose of this group, it will hit the board, there is nothing we can do about it.

What we can do is to place this member on moderate, which, depending on the message, is usually is not done the first time around. We can remove the message from the archives and remind the member(s) to get back on topic. Such reminders are usually not sent right away because it is hoped that self-regulating of the group will take care of it and also, the moderators are not watching all the time. In cases of persistent disregard of our guidelines, a member can be removed from the list.

This group is supposed to be about FO and related health topics, right?

The purpose of this group is stated in our Group Description which you can read at our Yahoo site.


Wilhelm


----- Original Message -----
From: igetwhipsawd
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:02 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: regarding: the concerns of your faith - God Bless America


I thought this site was moderated. So, why were these posts allowed
in the first place? And, why have they not been removed?

This group is suppoesed to beabout FO and related health topics,
right?

IMO - it's difficult to draw the line sometimes between what is
appropriate and what is not as health/life is the overall issue here and
health is affected by so many things. Another point - is it really
positive for people to not be able to exchange ideas, communicate and
connect on this site? Maybe the answer is to let people speak their
minds, share anything they feel is of value, and just title everything
that is not pure fo/cc talk as OT. If people disagree - FINE. That
doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to voice that or question things. We
could benefit form a little tolerance here. I mean, isn't the objective
to help each other?
Chloie

Wilhelm Hansen wrote:

igetwhipsawed,

We are not a list where all posts have to be approved by the
moderators. We only moderate new members until we can see that they
are here for the right reasons, and we moderate members who repeatedly
disregard they guidelines given in our Group Description. The greatest
number of members are not moderated. If any one of them sends a post
that contravenes the stated purpose of this group, it will hit the
board, there is nothing we can do about it.

What we can do is to place this member on moderate, which, depending
on the message, is usually is not done the first time around. We can
remove the message from the archives and remind the member(s) to get
back on topic. Such reminders are usually not sent right away because
it is hoped that self-regulating of the group will take care of it and
also, the moderators are not watching all the time. In cases of
persistent disregard of our guidelines, a member can be removed from
the list.

This group is supposed to be about FO and related health topics, right?

The purpose of this group is stated in our Group Description which you
can read at our Yahoo site.


Wilhelm


----- Original Message -----
From: igetwhipsawd
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:02 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: regarding: the concerns of your faith -
God Bless America


I thought this site was moderated. So, why were these posts allowed
in the first place? And, why have they not been removed?

This group is suppoesed to beabout FO and related health topics,
right?

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Hi Chloie,
Just wondering, are you new to the list?
operacat

Chloie wrote:

IMO - it's difficult to draw the line sometimes between what is
appropriate and what is not as health/life is the overall issue here and
health is affected by so many things. Another point - is it really
positive for people to not be able to exchange ideas, communicate and
connect on this site? Maybe the answer is to let people speak their
minds, share anything they feel is of value, and just title everything
that is not pure fo/cc talk as OT. If people disagree - FINE. That
doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to voice that or question things. We
could benefit form a little tolerance here. I mean, isn't the objective
to help each other?
Chloie

Chloie

IMO - it's difficult to draw the line sometimes between what is

appropriate and what is not as health/life is the overall issue here and health is affected by so many things.

I agree that there are grey areas where it is difficult to know whether something is on topic or not. In these cases you will usually not get any objection from other members or from the moderators. Religion and politics are not one of the grey areas. They are clearly off topic. They are explosive topics because of the many different points of view, religions and philosophies. It is unwholesome to discuss this here. All you need to do is to look at Flo wanting to leave this group because of what was said...

That is not to say that Cliff or I do not have our religious convictions, or that Ulla does not have her philosophy (as she pointed out today), but this is not the place to discuss them.

Another point - is it really positive for people to not be able to

exchange ideas, communicate and connect on this site?

People come here for information about FO and the Budwig Protocol. They can freely exchange information and connect on that. That is what we are here for. We are a focussed group but do allow a certain amount of OT posting, especially if it is related (like the current thread on almonds). It is counter productive to talk about religion, daycare, 9/11, safe boating, coin colleting, pet grooming or any of such clearly OT subjects.

Maybe the answer is to let people speak their minds, share anything

they feel is of value, and just title everything that is not pure fo/cc talk as OT.

Most members will disagree. It also clutters up this board which many members have objected to openly and to me privately. Some people have left for that reason. One more point is that a lot of OT posts unnecessarily fill up our Yahoo storage allotment and it makes it harder to search the archives for relevant information.

If people disagree - FINE. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be able

to voice that or question things.

Chloie... let's just respect the guidelines of this list.

We could benefit form a little tolerance here. I mean, isn't the

objective to help each other?

To me, being tolerant is to respect the principles of others. Is sticking to the principles of this group intolerant? Is questioning these principles being tolerant?

Wilhelm



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