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Tina,

Can you give "chapter and verse" from Christopher's website as to the
bone healers you are referring to?



Thank you so much.

Karen









--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Tina" <tina@...> wrote:

Dr. Christopher makes an nice herbal formula (you can also make it

up

yourself as he put his recipes on the web) that help heal broken

bones. You

both take it, and apply it to the area. Assume that it WILL take

time for

your broken bones to heal and you may always have some lingering

pain. I do

have lingering pain where I had cancer in my spine.

In some ways, the pain is a good thing - the cancer is dying

out. Just

don't put any kind of pressure on that vertebrae and take it easy.



Tina in the boonies of Kentucky





Dear Friends
I have a huge tumor in my chest connected to the front of the spine
extending towards the front of the chest. This tumor also weakens

the

bone that it is attached to. So it appears that one of my vertabrae

is

cracked and an MRI reports that my third rib connected to the spine

is

also damaged. After 3 consecutive days of chemotherapy when my body
broke down I quit that treatment and went to homeopathic care.
I've been taking Budwigs flaxseed oil diet for 2 months. The
particulars of my symptoms are always changing but presently I get

back

pain every time I sit or stand. So I mostly have to stay in a lying
position to avoid severe pain.
The homeopathic doctor keeps trying different medicines for the

pain

but none have worked so far.
I did my first flaxseed oil enema and I'm about to do my second

castor

oil hotpack.
Does anyone have any experience in this regard to help me with this
specific condition?
Nirguna



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While I am not sure if you intended to come across this way, I have to inform you that I am deeply hurt by your response to my sensitive and vulnerable post. I felt it condescending and insensitive to say the least. I thought the point of having an online support group was so that one can feel supported. After reading your post, SUPPORTED is the last thing I felt. I did not ask the group for a lecture on what to and how to appreciate the fact that I am alive and have found a way to stay that way for as long as I wish. I am WELL AWARE of what I have come accross in my studies. And for your information, no, I do
NOT feel lucky to have found the BP. It is my sincere and deep belief that each of us chooses every single experience we have in our life. So, no, I do not pity those who have not found this, and do not chalk it up to luck and just jump around singin' glory glory that I have. I look within and thank the part of me that was willing to read approximately 20 books and stay on the onternet till all hours of the night researching so that I could CURE MYSELF. And I did!!!!! I thank myself. And I thank the God within me. And I am well aware of how I became ill. How dare you presume to know what this journey has been like for me and then instruct me to let go of my desire to want to leave the house. For your information, I was diagnosed a whole year ago in septmeber and DID do chemo for 6 months, and DID NOT LEAVE THE COUCH!! So, don't talk to me about what it's like roamin the halls watchin' bald people throw up. I know all about it. And as far as the comments on my "maturity" go, you should REALLY think twice before saying such a thing. You do not know a thing about me. And let's keep it that way! How dare you question me on my decision to wean myself from negative foods. If I knew that being open and honest with
this group would lead to being judged and questioned, I never would have done it. Please don't lecture on "change"., I have changed every single thing about my life starting the day I got diagnosed. I am very intuitive and intelligent and you have NO RIGHT to say the
things you did.

I wrote this group because I needed ideas on how to leave the house and still stay on my diet. I thank all of you who shared with me what you have done. Loretta, I came to this group because I felt ostracized from society for my choices to heal my cancer naturally.
And now I would like to formally thank you for making me feel ostracized at the one place I thought I could let my guard down at! I am utterly surprised at how compassionless your response was. And the next time you even THINK of questioning me on ANY of my choices, I suggest you put yourself in MY shoes for just a second. Think about what it's like to stare death in the face with a "terminal" diagnosis at the young age of 22! Think about what it feels like to have to hear people in your family kindly suggest that you make a Will, "just in case" Think about what it feels like to have to tell your single mother, as a single child, that her baby has Stage 4 breast cancer. Just do it, for a second. Pretend your 22 and scared and just found out you have cancer. Pretend that all you've ever had in your life to rely on is yourself. How would you feel??? Maybe after placing yourself in MY shoes, you'd choose to respond to my post a little more neutrally and with just a smidge of compassion. I asked for ideas on how to store food, not a lecture from a total stranger on
how I "SHOULD" be living my life !!!!

"Dr. Loretta Lanphier" wrote:

Dear Bronwynn,

My heart goes out to you, dealing with cancer at such a young age.
I'm very glad that you expressed your frustrations in adjusting to
and staying with a new and rather unusual diet that can't easily be
found in restaurants as you are on the go. Unfortunately, most of the
food industry isn't concerned with our health, only our taste buds
and their profits. Much of the so-called food that is easily
available - sodas, hamburgers, deli meats, white flour breads,
pastries, etc. - are deadly, over time, for many children and adults.
Because they are so very unhealthy, I think of them as "poisons." If
you associate that word with them, it may help you in your transition.

Your message triggered some very inspiring responses that I'm sure
have touched many others on this list. I greatly appeciate the posts
from Loretta, Peter, Beto, Tina, Dick, and Melissa. I'm so inspired
by these messages that I'm going to create a file that includes them
so that people can easily read them again when they need
encouragement. Bronwynn, I hope that these messages were helpful to
you. They were written out of caring and concern for you and for
others on this list who may be having the same frustrations. We all
do at times. You are not alone. When you feel that frustration, know
that it is perfectly normal and OK to feel, then congratulate
yourself for doing what you need to do to have a healthy and vital
life.

Kindest wishes,
Sandra



"Bronwynn" wrote:

Over the last 6 months since I found the BP, I have taken the time

to ween myself off all the things on the "Forbidden" list and
encorporate more of the "mandatory" list. It has been only this last
week that I have fully, 100% committed to a STRICT version of the BP,
fresh juices, freshly ground flax seeds, Champagne, Wine, Oleux,
daily excercise, sunlight consumption and all the rest. I am taken
aback by all the prep time and consciousness that is involved with
this protocol. I'm sure this post is not a unique one. I cannot see
where to fit a LIFE IN, in between it all. I feel like if I chose to
leave the house, I'd only be allotted a few hours before having to
rush back for a meal. I am committed to healing this cancer totally
and permanently. So, I will absolutely do all it takes. However, I am
only 23 and just finished chemo a few months ago and am in the mode
of "I WANT TO ACTIVELY LIVE MY LIFE" if you know what I mean. I don't
see the purpose of healing from cancer, if I have to be chained to a
2 mile radius for the rest of my life. Frankly, I'd rather not be
here if that is the case.

Somebody please help. I am young and want to enjoy myself. I want

to travel and take weekends away and spend a day at the beach or with
a friend. How can I do that without having to lug around a juicer, a
blender, a coffee grinder and a bag of groceries?? I am stumped.
Please feel free to write privately or publicly in response. Thanx
all :)

Thank you, thank you, thank you Dr. Loretta. I hope
that this gets put in the permanent files. The
message is so encouraging. I'm sure that I'm not the
only one to shed a tear when I read it as it defined
my struggle completely. It is hard to follow BP, but
the other choices are quite clear. Thanks, Cindy

I love figs, in fact I crave them. So this time of summer, when fresh figs
are abudantly available, is heaven to me. They're expensive at the co-op,
but the farmer's market and one fruit stand have beautiful, plump, juicy
unsprayed figs much cheaper.

I began to wonder why I craved figs so much, so I looked them up on the
net. About halfway through the below article I laughed out loud. They're
high in lignins! Oh how perfect.

They're also good for constipation, and have digestive enzymes.

Here's a little more about figs. Hope you enjoy it ... and them!

Angel

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Figs are restorative. The best food that can be taken by those who are
brought low by long sickness and are on the way to recovery. They increase
the strength of young people, preserve the elderly in better health and
make them look younger with fewer wrinkles," wrote Pliny, a Roman historian
(62-113 A.D.).

Of the common fruits, figs have the highest sugar content as well as a
notable amount of protein and abundant calcium, magnesium phosphorus and
potassium.

Figs are a good source of the indigestible food fiber lignin. Cells whose
walls are highly lignified retain water and since they are impossible to
digest, help bulk up the stool. Figs also contain ficin, a protein-breaking
enzyme similar to papain in papayas and bromelin in fresh pineapple. Ficin
also has some laxative effects. Together lignin and ficin make figs an
efficient laxative food.

When buying figs look for plump soft fresh figs with skin that is green,
brown or purple, depending on the variety. As figs ripen, the pectin in
their cell walls dissolves and the figs grow softer to the touch. Avoid
fresh figs that smell sour. The odor indicates that the sugars in the fig
have fermented and the fruit is spoiled. Wash fresh figs under cool water
then refrigerate ( I don't refrigerate them ... I eat them too fast.)

Thank you all for your practical suggestions for finding a way to get out and about while complying with the BP protocol. The premade FO/CC, juice, veggies, soups, etc. sealed and cold, in a cooler. I appreciate the availability of small, light, and soft coolers these days.

For overnight trips it shouldn't be hard to take along heavy equipment if traveling by car. For travel by other means, a juicer would be too heavy and bulky, but the smallest, lightest stick blender shouldn't be too difficult. Maybe health food stores could provide freshly made juices along the way? That availability would depend upon where you're traveling of course. I hope flax seeds preground in the form of Linomel wouldn't be too inconvenient. Still, I can't think of any way to avoid the inconvenience of preparation and "lugging."

Bronwynn, as one who has been listening in on this conversation, I think it wasn't clear in your first letter the horrors you've already endured, and your brave resolution to prevail. God bless you! How disappointing and frightening, at any age, but particularly at your time of life. I wish you could be free and relatively unencumbered as is the norm for healthy young people. And I don't believe all of our vulnerabilities are a result of our own doing. Life is unfair. You have so much on your plate. That must be acknowledged! No amount of support can relieve us of our individual plights. Damn it!

That said, I would also suggest our emphasis on the positive is how we support ourselves and one another.

I don't know how to be supportive without seeming condescending. It may not seem credible, but just please know that we are pulling for you. If I've said too much, or got it wrong, please forgive me.

John S.

Melanie,

I don't know about after cutting, letting it grow more. I think you
would have to replant fresh seeds, but I'm not sure.

Yes, use organic potting soil. I don't know what you have available
in your area. Talk to a nursery person.

As far as fertilizing the wheat grass, I would use Alaska Fish
Fertilizer. That should be available everywhere. It's 5-1-1.
(5 meaning the nitrogen which gives plants their green color). If
anyone else has a better idea on the fertilizer, speak up.

Have a great day everyone. The sun is shining in Seattle today - or
at least this morning!

Karen









--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Melanie King" <melanie@...>
wrote:

Ok, so you just cut the top of the grass and allow it to grow

more? What about the soil - do I need to make sure it doesn't have
chemicals? Any suggestion for brands or sources? I guess then that
the water doesn't need to run off like it does in a sprouter, right?
I know how to do sprouts - I didn't realize that the wheat grass was
planted in soil and that you don't juice the entire plant.

Somewhere I got the idea that to use sprouted grain for baking you

dry it and then grind it. Does anybody know if this is true? I have
this huge dehydrator that my parents bought in probably about 1970 -
I need a good use for it to justify storing it in my garage!

Melanie


----- Original Message -----
From: Turmeric4


> You can grow this at home. Get some rectangle plastic

containers,

> like the kind at the nursery where you get a six pack of

flowers.

> There are 12 to a flat, fill it with wheat and cover. Keep it
> watered and in the sun and when it reaches the right height you

can

> juice the grass, but you need a wheatgrass juicer.

.

Nelson

Put your wheat berry in the freezer upon your return from the store.
This is to prevent mold growing on your wheatgrass.

Happy growing with your wheatgrass !!!!

with love and blessings

Thank you, Sandra! My biggest concern is my unusual situation, where my cancer has NEVER shown up on any tests or scans. It was sheer luck that it was found at all (thank you, God!) and if surgeons hadn't seen it, with their own eyes, we wouldn't have known about it in my colon until I was totally obstructed. And, without the surgery to correct that, we wouldn't have known about it all in my peritoneal cavity ... even knowing where it was, it still didn't show up on scans. Hence my apprehension. Rachel hit the nail on the head ... only time will tell. I'm just well aware that there are other successful alternative treatments and that no one thing works for everyone, though this might be as close as you can get to that. It would sure be nice to be able to monitor, accurately, to know for sure that this is working, but oh well ... I just try not to think about that too much. ;)

This protocol will be a part of my life for the rest of my life ... and it's gonna be at LEAST six months before I would even consider a "special meal" ... maybe even a year. The prognosis for peritoneal carcinomatosis is maybe a good two years ... so I plan on being able to thumb my nose at all those doctors in another year and a half! ;) ;)

xxoo
Melissa

Dearest Bronwyn, how totally I feel your frustration. Just 3 months ago, I was saying the exact same thing!!!! How on earth can I live like this? How do I cope? And how can I possibly give up the things I love to do??? I got the same answers ... that my life had caused my disease. I'm still not sure I believe that ... I have had enough emotional trauma in my life to have caused it five times over ... I do not believe that my agility competitions and horseback riding caused it. I do believe that those things make me live. However, I have had to realize that agility competition, in particular, is a very stressful weekend ... a FUN stress, to be sure, but stress just the same ... high energy, adrenaline, nerves, exaltation, etc. So, I have not competed at all this year. I haven't even trained much. I will start training again shortly, but at this point, am not sure when I'll go back to competition, though I'm sure I will, at some point.

Backing down a bit and avoiding stressful situations, even those that are "fun" stresses, is probably a good idea for you, right now, too. As for the logistics of living a day in the protocol, which having to leave the house, Peter hit the nail on the head. Thermoses are critical! ;) Do your veggie juice and put it in a thermos. Do a double-shot of CCFO in the AM, and put it in thermoses. Make a salad for lunch and put it in a tupperware. Don't forget to carry plastic spoons/forks with you ... I usually wind up leaving the house shortly after breakfast, then coming home later in the afternoon, in time for my fruit/flax. I don't do the champagne (I swear, I'd get nothing done but nap in the afternoon ... LOL), but I do do a glass of organic red wine in the evenings (thank you, Dr Johanna!!!!!).

Yes, there is SO much prep involved and, at times, I get stressed by this (even though we're not supposed to stress). It's a hard thing to have to be putting something in your mouth every time you turn around ... ;) ... but it can be done! AND you can have a life too! Just get a bunch of thermoses, a good tote to put them all in, and drop the stressful things in your life, where possible. (Yeah, listen to ME ... I'm moving into a house Monday and have been living in my 80 sqft camper for a month w/my three dogs and my hubby ... no stress at all ... ROFL!!!!) You can do this, sweetie ... "I set before you, this day, the choice between life and death. Choose life that you may live!!!"

xxoo
Melissa

Melanie,

You need a flat with good drainage. You need soil--even potting soil will work. Moisten the soil then scatter the wheat on the soil almost covering the soil--seeds close together. Then cover lightly with additional soil. Water very well to a point that the flat is draining. THEN cover with black plastic or wet newspaper (well damped). Check everyday and keep newspaper moist. Check for mold--number 1 problem. You will recognized mold--stringy fine white angel hair looking. Do not want that. Keep moist and as soon as wheat begins to sprout and grow-remove all covering and water generously with good drainage. When wheat is about 5 to seven inches cut near base of soil and juice. Sometimes you can get a 2nd cutting but will not be sweet tasting but a little bitter. Two is the most--start again.

Presoaking wheat in water before planting for about 6 to 8 hours is a good idea. Here is a good site that will give you an idea of what you will need.
Also good explanation on how to at

Hope this helps,

Nelson

Mealine wrote:
Ok, so you just cut the top of the grass and allow it to grow more? What about the soil - do I need to make sure it doesn't have chemicals? Any suggestion for brands or sources? I guess then that the water doesn't need to run off like it does in a sprouter, right? I know how to do sprouts - I didn't realize that the wheat grass was planted in soil and that you don't juice the entire plant.

I went through PC radiation in Loma Linda, CA, completed in April 2004
and then put on hormone treatment for 2 years. New tech radiation
treatment is spreading across the USA and Europe.

Results have been good up to now. I am drinking Pomergranate juice
daily and am considering the Flax Seed support for immune system. Is
there anyone out there that has used the Flax Seed treatment following
radiation.

Dr. Christopher makes an nice herbal formula (you can also make it up
yourself as he put his recipes on the web) that help heal broken bones. You
both take it, and apply it to the area. Assume that it WILL take time for
your broken bones to heal and you may always have some lingering pain. I do
have lingering pain where I had cancer in my spine.

In some ways, the pain is a good thing - the cancer is dying out. Just
don't put any kind of pressure on that vertebrae and take it easy.



Tina in the boonies of Kentucky





Dear Friends
I have a huge tumor in my chest connected to the front of the spine
extending towards the front of the chest. This tumor also weakens the
bone that it is attached to. So it appears that one of my vertabrae is
cracked and an MRI reports that my third rib connected to the spine is
also damaged. After 3 consecutive days of chemotherapy when my body
broke down I quit that treatment and went to homeopathic care.
I've been taking Budwigs flaxseed oil diet for 2 months. The
particulars of my symptoms are always changing but presently I get back
pain every time I sit or stand. So I mostly have to stay in a lying
position to avoid severe pain.
The homeopathic doctor keeps trying different medicines for the pain
but none have worked so far.
I did my first flaxseed oil enema and I'm about to do my second castor
oil hotpack.
Does anyone have any experience in this regard to help me with this
specific condition?
Nirguna

Ok, so you just cut the top of the grass and allow it to grow more? What about the soil - do I need to make sure it doesn't have chemicals? Any suggestion for brands or sources? I guess then that the water doesn't need to run off like it does in a sprouter, right? I know how to do sprouts - I didn't realize that the wheat grass was planted in soil and that you don't juice the entire plant.

Somewhere I got the idea that to use sprouted grain for baking you dry it and then grind it. Does anybody know if this is true? I have this huge dehydrator that my parents bought in probably about 1970 - I need a good use for it to justify storing it in my garage!

Melanie

Melanie,

Fill the flat with potting soil and then wheat and top with more soil.
Sorry I goofed on that.

Karen








--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Turmeric4" <turmeric4@...>
wrote:

Melanie,

Have you ever been to a juice place where they sell wheatgrass and
other juices (like in Malls)? The grass is in a flat and the

growth

is about 5 to 6 inches. They cut off the grass and put it through

a

special juicer to squeeze out the juice.

You can grow this at home. Get some rectangle plastic containers,
like the kind at the nursery where you get a six pack of flowers.
There are 12 to a flat, fill it with wheat and cover. Keep it
watered and in the sun and when it reaches the right height you can
juice the grass, but you need a wheatgrass juicer.

Sprouts are different. You start that in a jar. Google sprouts to
get an idea of how to do that. Making sprouted grain bread takes
some talent, I think, and I don't know anything about that.

Hope this helps.

Karen






--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Melanie King" <melanie@>
wrote:

I have A LOT of wheat. Can I use sprout this to make wheat grass

for
juicing? And can I dehydrate it and make my own sprouted grain
bread?
Anybody have experience with this?

Melanie

Melanie,

Have you ever been to a juice place where they sell wheatgrass and
other juices (like in Malls)? The grass is in a flat and the growth
is about 5 to 6 inches. They cut off the grass and put it through a
special juicer to squeeze out the juice.

You can grow this at home. Get some rectangle plastic containers,
like the kind at the nursery where you get a six pack of flowers.
There are 12 to a flat, fill it with wheat and cover. Keep it
watered and in the sun and when it reaches the right height you can
juice the grass, but you need a wheatgrass juicer.

Sprouts are different. You start that in a jar. Google sprouts to
get an idea of how to do that. Making sprouted grain bread takes
some talent, I think, and I don't know anything about that.

Hope this helps.

Karen






--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Melanie King" <melanie@...>
wrote:

I have A LOT of wheat. Can I use sprout this to make wheat grass

for
juicing? And can I dehydrate it and make my own sprouted grain
bread?
Anybody have experience with this?

Melanie

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I have A LOT of wheat. Can I use sprout this to make wheat grass for juicing? And can I dehydrate it and make my own sprouted grain bread? Anybody have experience with this?

Melanie

I use drinking soda as deodorant. Is it safe?
In Israel they add drinking soda powder while cooking chick-pea and
beams. It shorten the cooking time a great deal. Again my question
is : is soda powder safe for our body? Thanks, Halima.

Bronwyn,

There are many things you can do ahead of time if you want to spend a day
away from home. Yes, it does take more prep time to do these things than to
just "up and leave." Make your juice ahead of time and fill up a small
bottle or jar with it and put it in the cooler. Make up your FOCC ahead of
time and put it in small containers with all the different seasonings you
want for your meals. (I like to re-use all those cottage cheese containers!
Not the best, but it works.) Chop up your veggies, etc. ahead of time.
You can eat a cold millet or buckwheat salad, too. There are a lot of
things you can do. However, if you ARE going to be gone for more than one
day, just plan in taking stuff with you. Most of the things you need can
be purchased at a grocery store, but you will need to take your FO and CC
with you, and yes, all your machines. <smile> After a while you will get
used to it, just the way you were used to eating before.



Tina in the boonies of Kentucky





Over the last 6 months since I found the BP, I have taken the time to ween
myself off all the things on the "Forbidden" list and encorporate more of
the "mandatory" list. It has been only this last week that I have fully,
100% committed to a STRICT version of the BP, fresh juices, freshly ground
flax seeds, Champagne, Wine, Oleux, daily excercise, sunlight consumption
and all the rest. I am taken aback by all the prep time and consciousness
that is involved with this protocol. I'm sure this post is not a unique one.
I cannot see where to fit a LIFE IN, in between it all. I feel like if I
chose to leave the house, I'd only be allotted a few hours before having to
rush back for a meal. I am committed to healing this cancer totally and
permanently. So, I will absolutely do all it takes. However, I am only 23
and just finished chemo a few months ago and am in the mode of "I WANT TO
ACTIVELY LIVE MY LIFE" if you know what I mean. I don't see the purpose of
healing from cancer, if I have to be chained to a 2 mile radius for the rest
of my life. Frankly, I'd rather not be here if that is the case.
Somebody please help. I am young and want to enjoy myself. I want to travel
and take weekends away and spend a day at the beach or with a friend. How
can I do that without having to lug around a juicer, a blender, a coffee
grinder and a bag of groceries?? I am stumped. Please feel free to write
privately or publicly in response. Thanx all :)

Thank you Beto for that wonderful testimonial! You're so young to have a love of arias of opera. But you have the good ear for one of the Greatest songs EVER written, Nessun Dorma by Puccini.

The reason I'm replying to your testimonial is the fact that Nessun Dorma is also my ROCK throughout my ordeal with cancer and heart trouble.

The last line of the aria can be translated a number of ways; I shall win, I shall conquer and the one I use, I shall survive!!

Thank You again and if anyone needs a song to fortify themselves, take a few minutes to view Pavarotti sing the Greatest Song ever Written!


Dick
Beto <betincb@...> wrote: One of my favorites operas (Turandot by Puccini)has a very nice
song (Nessun dorma) which says in its last verse in
Italian: "Dilegua, o notte! Tramontate, stelle! All'alba
vincero!...vincero!
Translation: "Vanish, o night! Fade, stars! At dawn I shall win!"
(doesn't have the same feeling in English. Sorry)
So the point is that this night (cancer) is bringing me knowledge and
the opportunity to appreciate all that things and persons in my life
that i didnt do before, but always focusing in my time of victory
which is always close, cuz is that new day that is always starting :)

That's all. Hope you're fine.

Beto
惭é虫颈肠辞

"Bronwynn" wrote:
> I cannot see
where to fit a LIFE IN, in between it all. I feel like if I chose to
leave the house, I'd only be allotted a few hours before having to
rush back for a meal. I am committed to healing this cancer totally
and permanently. So, I will absolutely do all it takes. However, I am
only 23 and just finished chemo a few months ago and am in the mode
of "I WANT TO ACTIVELY LIVE MY LIFE" if you know what I mean. I don't
see the purpose of healing from cancer, if I have to be chained to a
2 mile radius for the rest of my life. Frankly, I'd rather not be
here if that is the case.
> Somebody please help. I am young and want to enjoy myself. I want
to travel and take weekends away and spend a day at the beach or with
a friend. How can I do that without having to lug around a juicer, a
blender, a coffee grinder and a bag of groceries?? I am stumped.
Please feel free to write privately or publicly in response. Thanx
all :)
>






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