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As I understand you should discontinue FOCC about a week before surgery.

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I just watched a you tube video where Gene Wei, DOM,AP said you should not do BP close to having surgery due to the blood thinning properties of Flax Oil. Is this true and how soon should I stop to BP. My surgery is scheduled 1 week from today.
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As I understand you should discontinue FOCC about a week before surgery.

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I just watched a you tube video where Gene Wei, DOM,AP said you should not do BP close to having surgery due to the blood thinning properties of Flax Oil. Is this true and how soon should I stop to BP. My surgery is scheduled 1 week from today.
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I just watched a you tube video where Gene Wei, DOM,AP said you should not do BP close to having surgery due to the blood thinning properties of Flax Oil. Is this true and how soon should I stop to BP. My surgery is scheduled 1 week from today.
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My oncologist has mentioned me taking tamoxifen and I don't want to take that. I've started taking DIM to hopefully get my hormones in balance. Does this interfere with the diet and will this diet work for hormone driven breast cancer?

Thanks,
Jeanette

On 26 Sep 2017, at 3:56 pm, Joe Firestone eisai@... [FlaxSeedOil2] <FlaxSeedOil2@...> wrote:


Hi everyone,



Last time I updated here was on June 16, 2017. Since then I've had further progress using my combined therapy of Budwig, bicalutamide, and dutasteride. Here is my updated tracking of PSA test results:



2/3/17 -- 27.96

3/3/17 -- 17.72

4/03/17 -- 4.67

5/03/17 -- 3.11

6/05/17 -- 2.60

7/03/17 -- 2.15

8/02/17 -- 1.84

9/06/17 -- 1.75



So, you can see that the decline in my PSA is decelerating. From my reading, I've gotten the notion that PSA under bicalutamide hormonal therapy stabilizes around 2.00. So, I am a bit below that, but not enough to suggest that the Budwig protocol has had additional impact beyond the expected.



However, even though the decline recently has slowed it hasn't stopped, but was at 5% last time around. So, the decline may continue or more importantly, the Budwig effect could manifest itself in a long term stabilization over a few years. I'll see.



Whether or not that happens, I think it likely that my PSA may begin to rise again since experiments with bicalutamide indicate that after an undetermined period of time the hormonal therapy actually begins to work with the cancer. At that point, I'll face a decision about what to do.



My thinking now is that I will go with the Budwig protocol supplemented by turmeric, MCP, and the White Mushroom Powder Julian was kind enough to tell us about recently. That may be effective because the combined therapy I'm using now may actually be hindering the favorable impact of Budwig.



I'll make that move quickly once I'm sure the PSA is no longer stable, so that I have lots of time to evaluate Budwig plus alone. with no allopathic remedies clouding the issue of effectiveness.



So that's it. A good update with optimism for the future and a backup plan if the PSA starts rising again. In addition, I'll have another MRI in the not too distant future, to check out if there's any visible cancer either in or outside the prostate, since I think it is just possible that my cancer may already have been cured and that the remaining PSA level above undetectable is due to BPH and not to prostate cancer.



Does anyone have any thoughts on this update? I would greatly value your ideas.



Best to all,





Joe Firestone

On June 16, 2017 at 5:42 PM Joe Firestone <eisai@... <mailto:eisai@...>> wrote:

Hi Tom,



No one recommended the therapy. I picked it up from this article:


Casodex or bicalutamide is a well-known hormonal therapy for prostate cancer. It blocks the testosterone receptors on cells, but not the testosterone. The likelihood of many side effects is much less from Casodex than from Lupron Depot the favorite recommendation Doctors here in the US. I've read somewhere that Casodex is favored in Europe. Here's a very good wikipedia article on it (note the citations in it):



Casodex alone however, is not sufficient to block testosterone generated by the adrenal gland, so if you take it alone, you'll still be feeding the cancer. Dustasteride is a good supplement to Casodex for blocking testerone generated from the adrenal gland, because, unlike finasteride, another preferred therapy, it is more effective in doing that. Here's wikipedia on the comparison :



"Dutasteride belongs to a class of drugs called 5α-谤别诲耻肠迟补蝉别 inhibitors <>, which block the action of the 5α-谤别诲耻肠迟补蝉别 <> enzymes <> that convert testosterone into DHT.[25] <> It is an irreversible <> inhibitor <> of all three isoforms <> of 5α-谤别诲耻肠迟补蝉别, types I <>, II <>, and III <>.[5] <>[26] <>[27] <> This is in contrast to finasteride, which is similarly an irreversible inhibitor of 5α-谤别诲耻肠迟补蝉别[27] <>[28] <> but only inhibits the type II and III isoenzymes <>.[5] <> As a result of this difference, dutasteride is able to achieve a reduction in circulating DHT levels of as much as 98%, whereas finasteride is only able to achieve a reduction of 65 to 70%.[29] <>[1] <>[25] <>[30] <> In spite of the differential reduction in circulating DHT levels, the two drugs decrease levels of DHT to a similar extent of approximately 85 to 90% in the prostate gland <>,[30] <>where the type II isoform of 5α-谤别诲耻肠迟补蝉别 predominates.[26] <>"



More generally, there is a lot of research on dustasteride as you'll see from the wikipedia reference. It's normally prescribed for BPH.



Anyway, I had fight to get the combination of the two drugs prescribed for me. I did not tell my doctors that I would be doing Budwig at the same time, but my expectation was and still is that Budwig would shield me somewhat from the likely severity of some of the side effects.



The Casodex/Dustasteride/Budwig therapy is my way of moving down the road toward an eventual cure for the cancer. I expect Casodex/Dustateride to fail me before too long, and see Budwig as more long-term treatment. I hope all three can get me down the road another 4 - 5 years or for good in the case of Budwig.

If it's not for good, then I have in mind various focal ablation techniques more or less on the horizon that may be available from Kaiser over the next 4-5 years. Here's a quote from a memo I wrote to my Kaiser doctors on this



We are living in a period of rapid development of other medical techniques and therapies that will have minimal side effects and that are likely to be available to Kaiser patients during the next few years. These include :


“Focal ablation of prostate cancer is an evolving treatment strategy that destroys a predefined region (or target) of the prostate that harbors the clinically significant cancer. A number of energy sources have been investigated for focal ablation of the prostate, including cryotherapy,13 high-intensity focused ultrasound (HIFU),14 photodynamic therapy,15 and laser ablation.16”


In addition, there is photodynamic therapy using activating light sensitive drugs previously injected.

So, that's it. I hope it's of interest to you and others. But I can't recommend it, of course, because it's just a personal strategy for coping with PC and living as long as I can.



Joe

On June 16, 2017 at 9:27 AM "Tom Henry tomhenry332@... <mailto:tomhenry332@...> [FlaxSeedOil2]" <FlaxSeedOil2@... <mailto:FlaxSeedOil2@...>> wrote:




Congratulation Joe!

Few questions:

"Last fall my PSA began to spike and after it reached 27.96, I decided to make a change and begin the Budwig protocol. I also decided to also use bicalutamide (Casodex), and dutasteride (Avodart), as well, and began those drugs on March 1, after tests showing that I was still non-metastatic."

1. Who recommended you to take the 2 drugs: bicalutamide (Casodex), and dutasteride (Avodart) ?

2. How do you know they are effective for prostate cancer? Any research studies on these 2 drugs?

Please advise. Thank you.

Tom


On Friday, 16 June 2017, 0:56, "Joe Firestone eisai@... <mailto:eisai@...> [FlaxSeedOil2]" <FlaxSeedOil2@... <mailto:FlaxSeedOil2@...>> wrote:




Hello Sandra and Everyone,

Perhaps it's time for update. As I've said in previous emails my wife, Bonnie, and I began the Budwig diet on February 15 of this year. Bonnie is a breast cancer survivor, who received surgery and chemo therapy and has now been clear for roughly four years. She decided to begin Budwig for preventive reasons and to make things easier for me.

I received a diagnosis of non-metastatic Gleason 8 prostate cancer just short of 5 years ago and decided then to continue taking finasteride for BPH and using supplements and dietary changes to hold back my cancer. Last fall my PSA began to spike and after it reached 27.96, I decided to make a change and begin the Budwig protocol. I also decided to also use bicalutamide (Casodex), and dutasteride (Avodart), as well, and began those drugs on March 1, after tests showing that I was still non-metastatic.

To get prescriptions for the two drugs, I had to fight with my Kaiser Doctors, who want to use Lupron depot in cases like mine. In the end however, I persuaded them to go along with my choices by citing research on both positive results and differences in side effects and just insisting that I would not take Lupron. I have not shared my choice to pursue Budwig, as well as my pharmaceutical choices with my doctors.

I'm tracking the results of my combined Budwig/pharma treatment with monthly PSA tests. Here are my results:

2/3/17 -- 27.96
3/3/17 -- 17.72
4/03/17 -- 4.67
5/03/17 -- 3.11
6/05/17 -- 2.60

You can see that my PSA has been falling substantially, but that the rate of deceleration in decline of the PSA has been slowing as time passes. At first, I thought that the substantial decline from February 3, to March 3, must have been at least partly due to Budwig, but I now think it was too early for Budwig to have been due to an immediate impact of bicalutamide, because its impact is said to be greatest at the start and I think a decline of 1/3 in the PSA is probably possible after 2 days of taking that drug, considering that the next decline was one of about 80 % over 31 days.

One of the differences between Lupron therapy and bicalutamide therapy is that Lupron will generally reduce PSA to a fraction of 1, perhaps as low as 0.1, whereas, bicalutamide will only lower it to perhaps 2 or so, but rarely lower. So, thus far, I think my results fit the bicalutamide pattern and that I can't distinguish, though neither can I rule out, a definite impact from the Budwig protocol.

Looking at the future however, I think that if my PSA results continue to fall, and as time passes they keep declining, then I will be able to say that likely Budwig worked, because my PSA results were incompatible with knowledge about how bicalutamide works.

Apart, from the above, I also want to say that Bonnie and I intend to continue following Budwig for good. We've adapted to the FO/CC well and we believe our health is better in general since we've started the diet. So, at this point we're very happy with Budwig and would recommend it to others.

I also want to say that I think this a wonderful yahoo group, and I greatly appreciate the very good information, encouragement and emotional support created here every day. So, thanks to everyone for your good will and contributions and special thanks to Sandra Olson, Denise Newkirk, and Dana Mills, for leading the way in setting the tone and being so generous in their sharing so much with the group.

Warm Feelings and Great Hopes for All of Us,

Joe Firestone




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On June 16, 2017 at 5:42 PM Joe Firestone <eisai@...> wrote:

Hi Tom,

No one recommended the therapy. I picked it up from this article:

Casodex or bicalutamide is a well-known hormonal therapy for prostate cancer. It blocks the testosterone receptors on cells, but not the testosterone. The likelihood of many side effects is much less from Casodex than from Lupron Depot the favorite recommendation Doctors here in the US. I've read somewhere that Casodex is favored in Europe. Here's a very good wikipedia article on it (note the citations in it):

Casodex alone however, is not sufficient to block testosterone generated by the adrenal gland, so if you take it alone, you'll still be feeding the cancer. Dustasteride is a good supplement to Casodex for blocking testerone generated from the adrenal gland, because, unlike finasteride, another preferred therapy, it is more effective in doing that. Here's wikipedia on the comparison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutasteride#Prostate_cancer_2?:?

"Dutasteride belongs to a class of drugs called , which block the action of the that convert testosterone into DHT. It is an of all three of 5α-谤别诲耻肠迟补蝉别, , , and . This is in contrast to finasteride, which is similarly an irreversible inhibitor of 5α-谤别诲耻肠迟补蝉别 but only inhibits the type II and III . As a result of this difference, dutasteride is able to achieve a reduction in circulating DHT levels of as much as 98%, whereas finasteride is only able to achieve a reduction of 65 to 70%. In spite of the differential reduction in circulating DHT levels, the two drugs decrease levels of DHT to a similar extent of approximately 85 to 90% in the ,where the type II isoform of 5α-谤别诲耻肠迟补蝉别 predominates.^"

More generally, there is a lot of research on dustasteride as you'll see from the wikipedia reference. It's normally prescribed for BPH.

Anyway, I had fight to get the combination of the two drugs prescribed for me. I did not tell my doctors that I would be doing Budwig ?at the same time, but my expectation was and still is that Budwig would shield me somewhat from the likely severity of some of the side effects.?

The Casodex/Dustasteride/Budwig therapy is my way of moving down the road toward an eventual cure for the cancer. I expect Casodex/Dustateride to fail me before too long, and see Budwig as more long-term treatment. I hope all three can get me down the road another 4 - 5 years or for good in the case of Budwig.

If it's not for good, then I have in mind various focal ablation techniques more or less on the horizon that may be available from Kaiser over the next 4-5 years. Here's a quote from a memo I wrote to my Kaiser doctors on this

We are living in a period of rapid development of other medical techniques and therapies that will have minimal side effects and that are likely to be available to Kaiser patients during the next few years. These include https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4080850/ :

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“Focal ablation of prostate cancer is an evolving treatment strategy that destroys a predefined region (or target) of the prostate that harbors the clinically significant cancer. A number of energy sources have been investigated for focal ablation of the prostate, including cryotherapy,13 high-intensity focused ultrasound (HIFU),14 photodynamic therapy,15 and laser ablation.16”

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In addition, there is photodynamic therapy using activating light sensitive drugs previously injected.

So, that's it. I hope it's of interest to you and others. But I can't recommend it, of course, because it's just a personal strategy for coping with PC and living as long as I can.

Joe

On June 16, 2017 at 9:27 AM "Tom Henry tomhenry332@... [FlaxSeedOil2]" <FlaxSeedOil2@...> wrote:

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Congratulation Joe!

Few questions:

????????"Last fall my PSA began to spike and after it reached 27.96, I decided to make a change and begin the Budwig protocol. I also decided to ????????????also use bicalutamide (Casodex), and dutasteride (Avodart), as well, and began those drugs on March 1, after tests showing that ????????????I was still non-metastatic."

1. Who recommended you to take the 2 drugs:?bicalutamide (Casodex), and dutasteride (Avodart) ?

2. How do you know they are effective for prostate cancer? Any research studies on these 2 drugs?

Please advise. Thank you.

Tom

On Friday, 16 June 2017, 0:56, "Joe Firestone eisai@... [FlaxSeedOil2]" <FlaxSeedOil2@...> wrote:

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Hello Sandra and Everyone,

Perhaps it's time for update. As I've said in previous emails my wife, Bonnie, and I began the Budwig diet on February 15 of this year. Bonnie is a breast cancer survivor, who received surgery and chemo therapy and has now been clear for roughly four years. She decided to begin Budwig for preventive reasons and to make things easier for me.

I received a diagnosis of non-metastatic Gleason 8 prostate cancer just short of 5 years ago and decided then to continue taking finasteride for BPH and using supplements and dietary changes to hold back my cancer. Last fall my PSA began to spike and after it reached 27.96, I decided to make a change and begin the Budwig protocol. I also decided to also use bicalutamide (Casodex), and dutasteride (Avodart), as well, and began those drugs on March 1, after tests showing that I was still non-metastatic.

To get prescriptions for the two?drugs, I had to fight with my Kaiser Doctors, who want to use Lupron depot in cases like mine. In the end however, I persuaded them to go along with my choices by citing research on both positive results and differences in side effects and just insisting that I would not take Lupron. I have not shared my choice to pursue Budwig, as well as my pharmaceutical choices with my doctors.

I'm tracking the results of my combined Budwig/pharma treatment with monthly PSA tests. Here are my results:

2/3/17 -- 27.96

3/3/17 -- 17.72

4/03/17 -- 4.67

5/03/17 -- 3.11

6/05/17 -- 2.60

You can see that my PSA has been falling substantially, but that the rate of deceleration in decline of the PSA has been slowing as time passes. At first, I thought that the substantial decline from February 3, to March 3, must have been at least partly due to Budwig, but I now think it was too early for Budwig to have been due to an immediate impact of bicalutamide, because its impact is said to be greatest at the start and I think a decline of 1/3 in the PSA is probably possible after 2 days of taking that drug, considering that the next decline was one of about 80 % over 31 days.

One of the differences between Lupron therapy and bicalutamide therapy is that Lupron will generally reduce PSA to a fraction of 1, perhaps as low as 0.1, whereas, bicalutamide will only lower it to perhaps 2 or so, but rarely lower. So, thus far, I think my results fit the bicalutamide pattern and that I can't distinguish, though neither can I rule out, a definite impact from the Budwig protocol.

Looking at the future however, I think that if my PSA results continue to fall, and as time passes they keep ?declining, then I will be able to say that likely Budwig worked, because my PSA results were incompatible with knowledge about how bicalutamide works.

Apart, from the above, I also want to say that Bonnie and I intend to continue following Budwig for good. We've adapted to the FO/CC well and we believe our health is better in general since we've started the diet. So, at this point we're very happy with Budwig and would recommend it to others.

I also want to say that I think this a wonderful yahoo group, and I greatly appreciate the very good information, encouragement and emotional support created here every day. So, thanks to everyone for your good will and contributions and special thanks to Sandra Olson, Denise Newkirk, and Dana Mills, for leading the way in setting the tone and being so generous in their sharing so much with the group.

Warm Feelings and Great Hopes for All of Us,

Joe Firestone

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On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Frank Samuell fsamuell99@... [FlaxSeedOil2]

wrote:

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I had a question I had chemo last time in March I only had 3 months of it, I”m still Fatigued how long does it usually last after Chemo?

or should it be over by ?now?

Thanks in advanced.

God Bless

On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:10 PM, hhschang hhschang@... [FlaxSeedOil2] <FlaxSeedOil2@...> wrote:

Hello,

Moringa is known as a superfood and there's quite a bit of internet information about its good effects. I have been taking the capsules for more than a year now. It's been highly recommended.

Estella S.

San Francisco

On Sunday, September 24, 2017 8:58 PM, "kedaralur@...?[FlaxSeedOil2]" <FlaxSeedOil2@...> wrote:

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Dear All

I am a stage IV lung cancer patient since June 2016. I have been following BP since July 2017 and my primary tumor has reduced over 50% since then.?

I have been recomended Moringa Leaf capsules. I would like to know if these are compatible with BP and has anyone got any experience good or bad with Moringa Leaf capsules. These capsules are?pure Moringa oleifera Leaf without fillers, preservatives or additives. Freshly ground and encapsulated.

Your feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Regards


Kedar
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Shalom Jean!

Is this the recipe that you mean: easy-made-german-quark/?internalSource=hub%20recipe&referringContentType=search%20results&clickId=cardslot%201?

1/2 gallon whole-milk?

buttermilk Do NOT use low fat buttermilk - it will not work well.

1 cup heavy whipping cream

Preheat oven to 200 degrees F (95 degrees C). Line a colander with cheese cloth and place over a large pot in the sink.

Gently mix buttermilk and cream together in a 2-quart ceramic casserole dish.

Cook in the preheated oven for 2 hours and 15 minutes.

Pour buttermilk mixture into the prepared colander; drain for 45 to 60 minutes. Transfer drained cheese to a bowl and beat with an electric hand mixer until smooth and creamy. Store in the refrigerator.

or this one:

quark-homemade-cheese/?internalSource=hub%20recipe&referringContentType=search%20results&clickId=cardslot%202

2 cups milk?

1/2 cup?buttermilk?

Bring milk to a simmer in a saucepan; remove from heat and cool to room temperature. ?

Be sure to let it cool to room temperature before whisking in the buttermilk or you will end up with a curdled, hot mess!

Whisk buttermilk into milk; let sit at room temperature, 8 hours to overnight. Strain mixture through cheesecloth over a bowl in the refrigerator, 8 hours to overnight.

I hope that you mean the second one, because you must certainly NOT include whipping cream in the recipe.? Even using whole milk might not be advised, with low-fat milk more advisable.

sincerely,

Rahel

Jerusalem

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Jean Kingston jeankingston74@... [FlaxSeedOil2] <FlaxSeedOil2@...> wrote:

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Has anyone made their own quark? I found a very simple recipe on . I found it a little thin the first time I made it so my second batch I added a little of the first batch to the recipe and it turns out really well. Very creamy and so easy to make.
Jean



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