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QUESTIONS Re: Eldi Oils versus other Omega 3

Phinneas
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilhelm Hansen <wilhelmh@...>
To: FlaxSeedOil2@... <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Eldi Oils versus other Omega 3


Hello Wilhelm, I wonder if you and others with knowledge
can possibly help with questions about Eldi Oils and Flax
Seed oil.

But, before my questions: --- you wrote:
Grape seed and sesame oils are NO substitute for
Eldi Oils. They have a completely different make-up
and will not give you the same results. ***Since they are
high in omega-6 they may even be counter productive
to the healing process.*** ...
...
... >The cost of Eldi Oils is actually not that high - it is
bumped up because of the high cost of shipping.
The $100 figure you are quoting includes shipping
and is for 2 bottles. ...
You quoted -- From: rickmuenzer
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:54 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Good Review

9. ... A lack or deficiency of
Omega 3 will result in a lack or deficiency of PG3s.
***The ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 is also crucial,
as excess Omega 6 as compared to Omega 3 promotes
tumor formation.***

Research suggests that the ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3
should be no greater than 5:1. A typical ratio in most
people's diets is in excess of 20:1.

...11. In the November 1986 Journal of the National Cancer Institute
research indicated that Omega 3 and one of its derivatives as well
as three of the derivatives of Omega 6 were seen to selectively
destroy human cancer cells in tissue culture without damaging
normal cells ... >>>>
~~~

From the above, obviously there are risks of causing more
damage than good by blindly using any old oil mixture.

Am I also right in assuming that to apply pure FO to the body,
may not be the best of ideas? Or, could that be an acceptable
practice? What about using pure cold-pressed coconut oil?
Any ideas on that will be appreciated.

As you wrote, ordering from over-seas adds a very large
cost to buying Eldi Oils, and most of us are not exactly rich. :-)

Wilhelm, simply for the sake of economy, do you think that
for making up one's own variation of Eldi Oil for skin application,
could it be possible for you or others on this forum to help
to work out suitable ratios of suitable oils, and to pass that
information on to one and all of us? I know it is a big "ask",
but I am sure many of us would be very grateful for that.

Sincerely,
Phinneas


Co-enzyme Q10

mark rudland
 

I wonder if anyone can tell me if 400mg a day of Co-enzyme Q10 would conflict with the Budwig protocol?
Mark


Re: Curcumin and Nexrutine Plus

Ksenija oberlander
 

Ed

Sorry I did not respond right away. I am way behind in my e-mails. I have over 600 in my box now.

So you take the Swanson curcumin brand .Is it the extract form that is standardized to contain 95% of total curcumnoids?. How many mgs in each cap? Is black pepper included or do you buy it separately?

Since my husband's PSA is rising at an alarming rate, we were hoping to slow it down by increasing Curcumin to the maximum,. tolerable dose. Dr. Torres suggests 3 grams a day with black pepper.

I am not familiar with Nexrutine Plus. Can you give me some information on it?

Thanks

Ksenija



steeleglas@... wrote:
Ksenija
I've taken this product for a few years with no known problems. I alternate 2
caps per day of curcumin with 2 caps per day of Nexrutine Plus also from
Swanson Vitamins.
Ed Brenner



Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:54:34 -0700 (PDT)

From: Ksenija oberlander <ksenija_oberlander@...>

Subject: Re: Curcumin Source


Ed



This is indeed a good price. Have you been taking this prfoduct and are you
toleratling it well?



Ksenjia


steeleglas@... wrote:

I purchase curcumin from www.swansonvitamins.com. I bottle of 60 caps each

with 900mg plus bioperine costs $11.39.

Ed Brenner





Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:17:02 -0000


From: "dazmolikeit" <slickpicker@...>


Subject: Curcumin and food



--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Alex Torres" <atorres@d...>


wrote:


Dear Terry,

Curcumin is quite aggressive with the esophagus and the gastric

linen


and I recommend to my patients to ingest it with food and some

calcium


carbonate.


Hi Alex:



Thanks much for your prompt reply. Life Extension also recommends


taking their product with food. The reason I asked relates to the


following I saw on a physician's site who advocates hormone blockade


along with certain complementary supplements:



"The owner of the company that makes this product recommends that men


with prostate cancer be treated with two capsules three times per day


on an empty stomach, although the literature that I received


recommended taking it with a heavy meal. The owner of the company is


aware of this, and states that the recommendation to take it with food


is not correct, that it should be taken on an empty stomach. The good


news is that it is inexpensive; 60 capsules cost only about $15.00.


The product can be ordered by calling (888) 852-4993. The name of the


company is Natural Health Consultants."



Regards,


Terry





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Re: Dr Budwig's books

 

I don't think Barleans can promote a cancer protocol. They have to be real careful in what they say and do. That is my thinking anyway.

Believe me I would absolutely love it.
Rhoda


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Re: Dr Budwig's books

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--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "WILLIAM TRUMP" <owltree@p...>
wrote:
You may put my name on a petition as well.
Bill
Mine too. Barbara Sherburne


Re: Dr Budwig's books

WILLIAM TRUMP
 

You may put my name on a petition as well.
Bill


Re: Dr Budwig's books

esred sez myrna
 

Great Idea. When the petition is ready I would certainly sign it.

Myrna

Catherine Coy <catherinecoy@...> wrote:
I add my name to the petition.

Denzil, would you be in charge of forwarding the petition to Barlean's?

----- Original Message -----
From: Denzil Goodhead
To: FlaxSeedOil
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:22 PM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Dr Budwig's books


We are all referring to Dr Budwig's books especially the two translated to English in 1994. It seems to me about time something was done to translate another book. To decide which one we would have to be guided by those who can read the German originals.
Both the English versions advertise Barleans flaxseed oil. What about an email petition by members of this group to Barleans asking them to sponsor the next translation?
Denzil






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E S R E D
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Re: Dr Budwig's books

esred sez myrna
 

Great Idea. When the petition is ready I would certainly sign it.

Myrna

Catherine Coy <catherinecoy@...> wrote:
I add my name to the petition.

Denzil, would you be in charge of forwarding the petition to Barlean's?

----- Original Message -----
From: Denzil Goodhead
To: FlaxSeedOil
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:22 PM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Dr Budwig's books


We are all referring to Dr Budwig's books especially the two translated to English in 1994. It seems to me about time something was done to translate another book. To decide which one we would have to be guided by those who can read the German originals.
Both the English versions advertise Barleans flaxseed oil. What about an email petition by members of this group to Barleans asking them to sponsor the next translation?
Denzil






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Re: qyackwatch quacks like a duck

Catherine Coy
 

What's sad about this whole Big Pharma phenomenon now playing itself out daily in our country (indeed the world) is that people are DYING because they earnestly believe the propaganda dished out by Big Pharma. It's nothing short of what happened to the Tobacco Industry. Sooner or later, Big Pharma will have to pay for its malfeasance, but not before many hundreds of thousands more die.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but, if you ever need any ammunition for your stand as pro-alternative, read a few of the essays listed at the link in the lower right quadrant of this web page.

Alternative Medicine Magazine
"On the Edge" with Burton Goldberg, Editor

----- Original Message -----
From: rifle147620
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:42 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: qyackwatch quacks like a duck


Interesting Report on the "quackers" and Big Pharma:

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Newsletter ARCHIVES



America vs. Quackbusters - the Wisconsin "Suster Case"...

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

Monday, August 9th, 2004

The biggest all-out battle between Big Pharma and the people of
America is happening in Wisconsin, for it is there that Big Pharma,
through its floundering "quackbuster" operation, is trying to set a
precedent courtroom win in place. Big Pharma, through the "Suster
Case," has pulled out all the stops. We'll see the next chapter
unfold on August 18th, 2004, in a hearing in front of the Wisconsin
Medical Board. Big Pharma is desperate to win.

The "Suster Case," is, for all practical purposes, Big Pharma's last
stand. Why? Because, over 50% of the total US health dollar is now
being spent on what's been labeled "Alternative Medicine," and they
(alternatives) are, for the most part, paid for by out-of-pocket
consumer dollars - not health insurance or Medicare. All insurance
or Medicare will pay for, currently, is "conventional" health care
methods.

But Stuart Suster MD, a Milwaukee Pain Management Specialist, a true
American, decided to change all that - and he set out to force the
issue of payment for "alternatives" by insurance companies. He
offered "alternative" pain management techniques, and he insisted
that health insurance companies pay for them, and pay reasonable
amounts.

If Suster wins his argument, then the door is open for the billing
of "alternatives." His method will have faced the challenge. Big
Pharma, on the other hand, has a huge investment in the medical
status quo. Big Pharma is COMPLETELY DEPENDENT upon continuing
what's known as "five-minute medicine," the practice where
conventional Physicians are so over-booked with patients that the
Physician/Patient contact is never more than five minutes at a time,
and goes something like "Hi, how are you... let me write you twenty-
two new prescriptions."

The Story Gets Worse...

Stuart Suster MD, in his quest to offer better pain management
techniques, did his research about what worked best, and would get
his patients back into a normal life. But, he also researched "how
to bill" for those services. He hired the best experts he could find
to set up his billing, including the services of a health insurance
expert who later was appointed by the Governor, to be the Insurance
Commissioner of the State of Wisconsin. I'd say that in Court, his
claims were unassailable.

Big Pharma, looking at this situation from their New York ad agency
viewpoint (Quackbuster Central), probably went into a panic, for they
knew they couldn't beat Suster in Court. The end of the huge profit
run of "five minute medicine" was on the horizon.

So what did Big Pharma do?

Of course, they went for the sleaze. What do you expect?

In Wisconsin, they had "ready-made" sleaze already available - in the
person of one Arthur Thexton, the Wisconsin Department of Regulation
& Licensing (DRL) prosecutor who became nationally famous (infamous)
for paying a quackbuster, one Bobbie Baratz, over $70,000 in "expert
witness" fees - and then losing the case when it was found out that
Baratz had a "fake" resume.

Thexton went to work for Big Pharma with a vengeance. First, he
tried to get an agency, any agency, to prosecute Suster. When that
failed he went to a fifth-rate Television station in Milwaukee, one
that had a so-called "Investigative Reporter" and handed them over a
hundred patients records (was that a HIPPA violation?) to the
station,. The station went out of its way to damage Suster in his
community. Then Thexton started using the Administrative Law process
to try and take Suster's license away from him Etc., etc., etc...

All of Thexton's efforts have been recorded elsewhere. But the
important thing about the case is the question "Why did Thexton, and
his quackbuster paymasters, work so hard on this case."

Easy answer...

"Desperation."

Big Pharma, after all their investment, has to be in shock at the
lackluster performance of their "quackbuster" gambit - the one they
funded, and put into operation, around the time the AMA lost the
battle to the Chiropractors in the Wilk v. AMA case.

The "quackbusters" have been losing one battle, after another, for
years. Their visible leadership (the ones they want us to see), like
the self-proclaimed, and courtroom humiliated, National Council
Against Health Fraud (NCAHF), and delicensed MD Stephen Barrett and
his ludicrous website "quackwatch.com," have become A SERIOUS
LIABILITY to them.

Barrett, for instance, was declared in a PUBLISHED Appeals Court
decision to be "biased, and unworthy of credibility." The NCAHF,
besides the obvious problems with its president, Bobbie Baratz,
currently owes six Homeopathic Manufacturers over a $100,000 in legal
fee awards, it has no ability to pay - and they are waiting for the
axe to fall. And fall it will - I promise.

The "Suster Case," in Wisconsin is an important one for Big Pharma to
win. If health professionals can be paid by insurance companies for
services that work, and are safe and effective, why would they use
useless pharmaceuticals?

In Wisconsin. Big Pharma is still trying, feverishly, to stamp out
innovation in health care. Are we going to let it happen?

Stay tuned...

Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

This "Millions of Health Freedom Fighters - Newsletter" is about the
battle between "Health and Medicine" on Planet Earth. Tim Bolen is an
op/ed writer with extensive knowledge of the activities of a
subversive organization calling itself the "quackbusters," and that
organization's attempts to suppress, and discredit, any, and all
health modalities that compete with the allopathic (MD) paradigm for
consumer health dollars. The focus of the newsletter is on the
ongoing activities, battles, politics, and the victories won by
members of the "Health Freedom Movement" against the "quackbusters"
It details "who the quackbusters are, what they are, where they are
operating, when they appear, and how they operate - and how easy it
is to beat them..."

For background information on the "Battle between Health and
Medicine" go to: . A copy of
THIS newsletter, and older ones, are viewable at the website
.

For EVEN MORE interesting and related articles go to
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<catherinecoy@c...> wrote:
> "Nothing you eat will have any effect on your cancer--period." --
Dr. Quackwatch
>
> This is absurd on its face. And putting water in your car's tank
will allow you to drive it just as well, too.
>
> Yet this is how the entire conventional medical world thinks. When
my friend was diagnosed with Stage 1 melanoma, his doctor said not
one word about nutrition, yet when I promoted dense nutrition as a
way to beat back cancer, I was/am treated like a nutcase.
>
> How in the world does the conventional world get away with such
irresponsible behavior as to not advise the patient that an immediate
change in dietary habits not only could be but WILL be helpful?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patricia A. Bafford
> To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:57 AM
> Subject: RE: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck
>
>
> My two cents worth on Quackwatch: when I was diagnosed with
breast cancer in September of 2002, I did tons of research, including
reading articles on Quackwatch to get both sides and make my
decisions. I never will forget one article by Stephen Barrett, M.D.,
the guy who runs Quackwatch, in which he stated that
(paraphrasing) "nothing you eat will have any affect on your cancer--
period." Well, that was enough for me to form my opinion of
Quackwatch as being the real Quack. Any one who can make a blanket
statement like that, as if it was fact, despite tons of evidence to
the contrary, qualifies as a Quack in my book.
>
>
> Pat Bafford
> First Financial Resources
> 2360 W. Joppa Road, Suite 310
> Lutherville, MD 21093
> Phone: (410) 832-2400
> Fax: (410) 832-2410
> Email: pat@f...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie/Tom Roper [mailto:tar00@c...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:43 AM
> To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
> Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck
>
>
> Quackwatch's purpose is to promote burning, cutting, and Big
> Pharma.
>
> Its aim is to keep your attention away from the real quacks.
>
> As for the "pro-alternative camp" being just as biased the other
> way, you only need to read any alternative group to find opinions
> all over the spectrum.
>
> Quackwatch hammers its one point, over and over, till not even
> an Excedrin'll help you. Quackwatch doesn't do it for free -- or
> because it cares about your health.
>
> Pro-alternatives are almost universally concerned only about
> your getting well, whatever form that takes.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Dr Budwig's books

Catherine Coy
 

I add my name to the petition.

Denzil, would you be in charge of forwarding the petition to Barlean's?

----- Original Message -----
From: Denzil Goodhead
To: FlaxSeedOil
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:22 PM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Dr Budwig's books


We are all referring to Dr Budwig's books especially the two translated to English in 1994. It seems to me about time something was done to translate another book. To decide which one we would have to be guided by those who can read the German originals.
Both the English versions advertise Barleans flaxseed oil. What about an email petition by members of this group to Barleans asking them to sponsor the next translation?
Denzil






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Re: qyackwatch quacks like a duck

rifle147620
 

Interesting Report on the "quackers" and Big Pharma:

SUBSCRIBE to this newsletter

Newsletter ARCHIVES



America vs. Quackbusters - the Wisconsin "Suster Case"...

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

Monday, August 9th, 2004

The biggest all-out battle between Big Pharma and the people of
America is happening in Wisconsin, for it is there that Big Pharma,
through its floundering "quackbuster" operation, is trying to set a
precedent courtroom win in place. Big Pharma, through the "Suster
Case," has pulled out all the stops. We'll see the next chapter
unfold on August 18th, 2004, in a hearing in front of the Wisconsin
Medical Board. Big Pharma is desperate to win.

The "Suster Case," is, for all practical purposes, Big Pharma's last
stand. Why? Because, over 50% of the total US health dollar is now
being spent on what's been labeled "Alternative Medicine," and they
(alternatives) are, for the most part, paid for by out-of-pocket
consumer dollars - not health insurance or Medicare. All insurance
or Medicare will pay for, currently, is "conventional" health care
methods.

But Stuart Suster MD, a Milwaukee Pain Management Specialist, a true
American, decided to change all that - and he set out to force the
issue of payment for "alternatives" by insurance companies. He
offered "alternative" pain management techniques, and he insisted
that health insurance companies pay for them, and pay reasonable
amounts.

If Suster wins his argument, then the door is open for the billing
of "alternatives." His method will have faced the challenge. Big
Pharma, on the other hand, has a huge investment in the medical
status quo. Big Pharma is COMPLETELY DEPENDENT upon continuing
what's known as "five-minute medicine," the practice where
conventional Physicians are so over-booked with patients that the
Physician/Patient contact is never more than five minutes at a time,
and goes something like "Hi, how are you... let me write you twenty-
two new prescriptions."

The Story Gets Worse...

Stuart Suster MD, in his quest to offer better pain management
techniques, did his research about what worked best, and would get
his patients back into a normal life. But, he also researched "how
to bill" for those services. He hired the best experts he could find
to set up his billing, including the services of a health insurance
expert who later was appointed by the Governor, to be the Insurance
Commissioner of the State of Wisconsin. I'd say that in Court, his
claims were unassailable.

Big Pharma, looking at this situation from their New York ad agency
viewpoint (Quackbuster Central), probably went into a panic, for they
knew they couldn't beat Suster in Court. The end of the huge profit
run of "five minute medicine" was on the horizon.

So what did Big Pharma do?

Of course, they went for the sleaze. What do you expect?

In Wisconsin, they had "ready-made" sleaze already available - in the
person of one Arthur Thexton, the Wisconsin Department of Regulation
& Licensing (DRL) prosecutor who became nationally famous (infamous)
for paying a quackbuster, one Bobbie Baratz, over $70,000 in "expert
witness" fees - and then losing the case when it was found out that
Baratz had a "fake" resume.

Thexton went to work for Big Pharma with a vengeance. First, he
tried to get an agency, any agency, to prosecute Suster. When that
failed he went to a fifth-rate Television station in Milwaukee, one
that had a so-called "Investigative Reporter" and handed them over a
hundred patients records (was that a HIPPA violation?) to the
station,. The station went out of its way to damage Suster in his
community. Then Thexton started using the Administrative Law process
to try and take Suster's license away from him Etc., etc., etc...

All of Thexton's efforts have been recorded elsewhere. But the
important thing about the case is the question "Why did Thexton, and
his quackbuster paymasters, work so hard on this case."

Easy answer...

"Desperation."

Big Pharma, after all their investment, has to be in shock at the
lackluster performance of their "quackbuster" gambit - the one they
funded, and put into operation, around the time the AMA lost the
battle to the Chiropractors in the Wilk v. AMA case.

The "quackbusters" have been losing one battle, after another, for
years. Their visible leadership (the ones they want us to see), like
the self-proclaimed, and courtroom humiliated, National Council
Against Health Fraud (NCAHF), and delicensed MD Stephen Barrett and
his ludicrous website "quackwatch.com," have become A SERIOUS
LIABILITY to them.

Barrett, for instance, was declared in a PUBLISHED Appeals Court
decision to be "biased, and unworthy of credibility." The NCAHF,
besides the obvious problems with its president, Bobbie Baratz,
currently owes six Homeopathic Manufacturers over a $100,000 in legal
fee awards, it has no ability to pay - and they are waiting for the
axe to fall. And fall it will - I promise.

The "Suster Case," in Wisconsin is an important one for Big Pharma to
win. If health professionals can be paid by insurance companies for
services that work, and are safe and effective, why would they use
useless pharmaceuticals?

In Wisconsin. Big Pharma is still trying, feverishly, to stamp out
innovation in health care. Are we going to let it happen?

Stay tuned...

Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

This "Millions of Health Freedom Fighters - Newsletter" is about the
battle between "Health and Medicine" on Planet Earth. Tim Bolen is an
op/ed writer with extensive knowledge of the activities of a
subversive organization calling itself the "quackbusters," and that
organization's attempts to suppress, and discredit, any, and all
health modalities that compete with the allopathic (MD) paradigm for
consumer health dollars. The focus of the newsletter is on the
ongoing activities, battles, politics, and the victories won by
members of the "Health Freedom Movement" against the "quackbusters"
It details "who the quackbusters are, what they are, where they are
operating, when they appear, and how they operate - and how easy it
is to beat them..."

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--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Catherine Coy"
<catherinecoy@c...> wrote:
"Nothing you eat will have any effect on your cancer--period." --
Dr. Quackwatch

This is absurd on its face. And putting water in your car's tank
will allow you to drive it just as well, too.

Yet this is how the entire conventional medical world thinks. When
my friend was diagnosed with Stage 1 melanoma, his doctor said not
one word about nutrition, yet when I promoted dense nutrition as a
way to beat back cancer, I was/am treated like a nutcase.

How in the world does the conventional world get away with such
irresponsible behavior as to not advise the patient that an immediate
change in dietary habits not only could be but WILL be helpful?

----- Original Message -----
From: Patricia A. Bafford
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


My two cents worth on Quackwatch: when I was diagnosed with
breast cancer in September of 2002, I did tons of research, including
reading articles on Quackwatch to get both sides and make my
decisions. I never will forget one article by Stephen Barrett, M.D.,
the guy who runs Quackwatch, in which he stated that
(paraphrasing) "nothing you eat will have any affect on your cancer--
period." Well, that was enough for me to form my opinion of
Quackwatch as being the real Quack. Any one who can make a blanket
statement like that, as if it was fact, despite tons of evidence to
the contrary, qualifies as a Quack in my book.


Pat Bafford
First Financial Resources
2360 W. Joppa Road, Suite 310
Lutherville, MD 21093
Phone: (410) 832-2400
Fax: (410) 832-2410
Email: pat@f...

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie/Tom Roper [mailto:tar00@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:43 AM
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


Quackwatch's purpose is to promote burning, cutting, and Big
Pharma.

Its aim is to keep your attention away from the real quacks.

As for the "pro-alternative camp" being just as biased the other
way, you only need to read any alternative group to find opinions
all over the spectrum.

Quackwatch hammers its one point, over and over, till not even
an Excedrin'll help you. Quackwatch doesn't do it for free -- or
because it cares about your health.

Pro-alternatives are almost universally concerned only about
your getting well, whatever form that takes.








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Re: qyackwatch quacks like a duck

Catherine Coy
 

Thanks for the link to Mike's story, Patricia. Does anyone have any other testimonials like Mike's to which you can point me?

I don't like to see blatant selling of MLM products at sites such as Mike's, however. Ruins his whole testimony, in my opinion.

----- Original Message -----
From: Patricia A. Bafford
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


The cases like this are too numerous to mention. My boss's wife was diagnosed with brain cancer (glioblastoma) in January 2003 and given very little hope. I hooked her up with Kelly whose husband Tom was diagnosed with the same type of cancer and is alive and well today using FO/CC and other alternative methods ( www.flaxoflife.com). She wasn't convinced and went the conventional route, even though they gave her no hope. She did, however, want to add the FO/CC to her diet. Unbelievably, the doctors at Johns Hopkins cancer center told her NOT to change her diet in any way and NOT to take the FO/CC. Why would they say that? Surely, they know that it will not hurt her, so why not let her do it? I don't understand this line of thinking--it is totally illogical to me. Needless to say, after chemo, radiation, and 2 "experimental" treatments, she's very close to death.


Pat Bafford
First Financial Resources
2360 W. Joppa Road, Suite 310
Lutherville, MD 21093
Phone: (410) 832-2400
Fax: (410) 832-2410
Email: pat@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Catherine Coy [mailto:catherinecoy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:21 PM
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


"Nothing you eat will have any effect on your cancer--period." -- Dr. Quackwatch

This is absurd on its face. And putting water in your car's tank will allow you to drive it just as well, too.

Yet this is how the entire conventional medical world thinks. When my friend was diagnosed with Stage 1 melanoma, his doctor said not one word about nutrition, yet when I promoted dense nutrition as a way to beat back cancer, I was/am treated like a nutcase.

How in the world does the conventional world get away with such irresponsible behavior as to not advise the patient that an immediate change in dietary habits not only could be but WILL be helpful?

----- Original Message -----
From: Patricia A. Bafford
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


My two cents worth on Quackwatch: when I was diagnosed with breast cancer in September of 2002, I did tons of research, including reading articles on Quackwatch to get both sides and make my decisions. I never will forget one article by Stephen Barrett, M.D., the guy who runs Quackwatch, in which he stated that (paraphrasing) "nothing you eat will have any affect on your cancer--period." Well, that was enough for me to form my opinion of Quackwatch as being the real Quack. Any one who can make a blanket statement like that, as if it was fact, despite tons of evidence to the contrary, qualifies as a Quack in my book.


Pat Bafford
First Financial Resources
2360 W. Joppa Road, Suite 310
Lutherville, MD 21093
Phone: (410) 832-2400
Fax: (410) 832-2410
Email: pat@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie/Tom Roper [mailto:tar00@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:43 AM
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


Quackwatch's purpose is to promote burning, cutting, and Big
Pharma.

Its aim is to keep your attention away from the real quacks.

As for the "pro-alternative camp" being just as biased the other
way, you only need to read any alternative group to find opinions
all over the spectrum.

Quackwatch hammers its one point, over and over, till not even
an Excedrin'll help you. Quackwatch doesn't do it for free -- or
because it cares about your health.

Pro-alternatives are almost universally concerned only about
your getting well, whatever form that takes.








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Re: qyackwatch quacks like a duck

Patricia A. Bafford
 

The cases like this are too numerous to mention. My boss's wife was diagnosed with brain cancer (glioblastoma) in January 2003 and given very little hope. I hooked her up with Kelly whose husband Tom was diagnosed with the same type of cancer and is alive and well today using FO/CC and other alternative methods ( www.flaxoflife.com). She wasn't convinced and went the conventional route, even though they gave her no hope. She did, however, want to add the FO/CC to her diet. Unbelievably, the doctors at Johns Hopkins cancer center told her NOT to change her diet in any way and NOT to take the FO/CC. Why would they say that? Surely, they know that it will not hurt her, so why not let her do it? I don't understand this line of thinking--it is totally illogical to me. Needless to say, after chemo, radiation, and 2 "experimental" treatments, she's very close to death.


Pat Bafford
First Financial Resources
2360 W. Joppa Road, Suite 310
Lutherville, MD 21093
Phone: (410) 832-2400
Fax: (410) 832-2410
Email: pat@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Catherine Coy [mailto:catherinecoy@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:21 PM
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


"Nothing you eat will have any effect on your cancer--period." -- Dr. Quackwatch

This is absurd on its face. And putting water in your car's tank will allow you to drive it just as well, too.

Yet this is how the entire conventional medical world thinks. When my friend was diagnosed with Stage 1 melanoma, his doctor said not one word about nutrition, yet when I promoted dense nutrition as a way to beat back cancer, I was/am treated like a nutcase.

How in the world does the conventional world get away with such irresponsible behavior as to not advise the patient that an immediate change in dietary habits not only could be but WILL be helpful?

----- Original Message -----
From: Patricia A. Bafford
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


My two cents worth on Quackwatch: when I was diagnosed with breast cancer in September of 2002, I did tons of research, including reading articles on Quackwatch to get both sides and make my decisions. I never will forget one article by Stephen Barrett, M.D., the guy who runs Quackwatch, in which he stated that (paraphrasing) "nothing you eat will have any affect on your cancer--period." Well, that was enough for me to form my opinion of Quackwatch as being the real Quack. Any one who can make a blanket statement like that, as if it was fact, despite tons of evidence to the contrary, qualifies as a Quack in my book.


Pat Bafford
First Financial Resources
2360 W. Joppa Road, Suite 310
Lutherville, MD 21093
Phone: (410) 832-2400
Fax: (410) 832-2410
Email: pat@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie/Tom Roper [mailto:tar00@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:43 AM
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


Quackwatch's purpose is to promote burning, cutting, and Big
Pharma.

Its aim is to keep your attention away from the real quacks.

As for the "pro-alternative camp" being just as biased the other
way, you only need to read any alternative group to find opinions
all over the spectrum.

Quackwatch hammers its one point, over and over, till not even
an Excedrin'll help you. Quackwatch doesn't do it for free -- or
because it cares about your health.

Pro-alternatives are almost universally concerned only about
your getting well, whatever form that takes.








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WAS =Re: Lorraine Day MD ~~~>>> QUACKWATCH Exposed

Phinneas
 

-----Original Message-----
From: leedsman1954 <leedsman1954@...>
To: FlaxSeedOil2@... <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:27 PM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lorraine Day MD


There is a not very flattering piece about this lady on Quackwatch.

www.Quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/day.html

Sorry, I tried to put the address as a link but couldn't manage it!
Anyone considering "quackwatch" for useful information
would be well advised to research the site's operator,
***a de-licensed MD*** & mouth-piece of FDA and big pharma.

To be fair -- "quackwatch does" list many con-men-money-grubbers,
and does expose many shonky con-artists. --- HOWEVER, that does
not really seem to be their MAIN aim.

Quackwatch is against every single alternative medical
method, whether the method helps to heal diseases, or not.
Whatever is against the interests of Big Pharma, is on the
Hit List of Quackwatch -- simple as that.

Do a Google search, and you will find dozens of sites that
expose the behind-the-scenes aims of this org.

One place to start could be:
.

Don't stop there ... do your own searches.

Phinneas


Re: qyackwatch quacks like a duck

Catherine Coy
 

"Nothing you eat will have any effect on your cancer--period." -- Dr. Quackwatch

This is absurd on its face. And putting water in your car's tank will allow you to drive it just as well, too.

Yet this is how the entire conventional medical world thinks. When my friend was diagnosed with Stage 1 melanoma, his doctor said not one word about nutrition, yet when I promoted dense nutrition as a way to beat back cancer, I was/am treated like a nutcase.

How in the world does the conventional world get away with such irresponsible behavior as to not advise the patient that an immediate change in dietary habits not only could be but WILL be helpful?

----- Original Message -----
From: Patricia A. Bafford
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


My two cents worth on Quackwatch: when I was diagnosed with breast cancer in September of 2002, I did tons of research, including reading articles on Quackwatch to get both sides and make my decisions. I never will forget one article by Stephen Barrett, M.D., the guy who runs Quackwatch, in which he stated that (paraphrasing) "nothing you eat will have any affect on your cancer--period." Well, that was enough for me to form my opinion of Quackwatch as being the real Quack. Any one who can make a blanket statement like that, as if it was fact, despite tons of evidence to the contrary, qualifies as a Quack in my book.


Pat Bafford
First Financial Resources
2360 W. Joppa Road, Suite 310
Lutherville, MD 21093
Phone: (410) 832-2400
Fax: (410) 832-2410
Email: pat@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie/Tom Roper [mailto:tar00@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:43 AM
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


Quackwatch's purpose is to promote burning, cutting, and Big
Pharma.

Its aim is to keep your attention away from the real quacks.

As for the "pro-alternative camp" being just as biased the other
way, you only need to read any alternative group to find opinions
all over the spectrum.

Quackwatch hammers its one point, over and over, till not even
an Excedrin'll help you. Quackwatch doesn't do it for free -- or
because it cares about your health.

Pro-alternatives are almost universally concerned only about
your getting well, whatever form that takes.








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Re: quackwatch quacks like a duck

 

Pat wrote:
Stephen Barrett, M.D., the guy who runs Quackwatch, ... stated that (paraphrasing) "nothing you eat will have any affect on your cancer--period." Well, that was enough for me to form my opinion of Quackwatch as being the real Quack. Any one who can make a blanket statement like that, as if it was fact, despite tons of evidence to the contrary, qualifies as a Quack in my book.
excellent, i think i read that too... and strangely i think there is a number of doctors who are actually brainwashed enough by their "pharmaceutical-mechanical" education to truly believe that... it seems though that nutritional knowledge and data is slowly penetrating into the mainstream...

"Pro-alternatives are almost universally concerned only about your getting well, whatever form that takes."
One thing I don't see universally implemented in the alternative "sellers" field is an honest declaration of the "number of non-effectiveness". In other words, people & companies selling herbs, "miracle" products etc. often just list exuberant testimonials of success while omitting to list the percentage of those who were not appreciably or not at all improved by the product over the longer term...

I think such honest declaration of "percentage effectiveness" would be absolutely essential to promote honesty and trust in the alternative field too...

Also I know at least one highly regarded alternative cancer clinic who "smilingly but categorically" refused to help anyone unable to lay down the 9000 $ charged per week when I enquired about this...

Ulla


Re: qyackwatch quacks like a duck

Patricia A. Bafford
 

My two cents worth on Quackwatch: when I was diagnosed with breast cancer in September of 2002, I did tons of research, including reading articles on Quackwatch to get both sides and make my decisions. I never will forget one article by Stephen Barrett, M.D., the guy who runs Quackwatch, in which he stated that (paraphrasing) "nothing you eat will have any affect on your cancer--period." Well, that was enough for me to form my opinion of Quackwatch as being the real Quack. Any one who can make a blanket statement like that, as if it was fact, despite tons of evidence to the contrary, qualifies as a Quack in my book.


Pat Bafford
First Financial Resources
2360 W. Joppa Road, Suite 310
Lutherville, MD 21093
Phone: (410) 832-2400
Fax: (410) 832-2410
Email: pat@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie/Tom Roper [mailto:tar00@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:43 AM
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


Quackwatch's purpose is to promote burning, cutting, and Big
Pharma.

Its aim is to keep your attention away from the real quacks.

As for the "pro-alternative camp" being just as biased the other
way, you only need to read any alternative group to find opinions
all over the spectrum.

Quackwatch hammers its one point, over and over, till not even
an Excedrin'll help you. Quackwatch doesn't do it for free -- or
because it cares about your health.

Pro-alternatives are almost universally concerned only about
your getting well, whatever form that takes.








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Re: Breaking the Budwig rule!!!!!

Wilhelm Hansen
 

Ray,
I have also read that somewhere but don't remember reading it in any of Dr.Budwig's books although it is possible it is in one of them.

The remark about the consequences when breaking the Budwig rules need to be taken in the right way. The consequences of doing so would in my opinion depend on how far and how long the excursion has been and how much one's health has deteriorated as a result of that "spree".

Wilhelm

----- Original Message -----
From: nejray
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:23 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Breaking the Budwig rule!!!!!


Persons who break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie
eating preserved meats, candy, etc) will sometimes grow rapidly worse
and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree

I asked this question after reading the above from numerous web
sites. This was I believe a quote from one of the books still in
German!!!! perhaps - but i have not seen this in the two already
translated books in English

When I read this I did not read it saying that we should stick with
the Budwig diet ( that goes without saying) - The part I found
intesting was:

'and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree'

which would indicate that if we were to stray ie sugar or the wrong
fats for a while, then came back to the Budwig diet it may not work a
second time for some - 'hence cannot be saved after they come back'

I find that strange if it works once - why not twice or three times

Regards

Ray


Re: Eldi Oils versus other Omega 3

Wilhelm Hansen
 

You can use flaxseed oil for external application but Dr.Budwig developed Eldi Oils and used them because they are better for the purpose, i.e. they are more effective. Why would you call it "quacky"? Dr.Budwig knew exactly what she was doing.

The cost of Eldi Oils is actually not that high - it is bumped up because of the high cost of shipping. The $100 figure you are quoting includes shipping and is for 2 bottles.

Grape seed and sesame oils are NO substitute for Eldi Oils. They have a completely different make-up and will not give you the same results. Since they are high in omega-6 they may even be counter productive to the healing process.

Wilhelm

----- Original Message -----
From: Barb
To: fso
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 6:26 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Eldi Oils versus other Omega 3


I wonder why you can't just put flaxseed oil on
your body? I know that is not how she did her
study but frankly this seems a little quacky I
think. If idea is to get omega 3's through the
skin, why these particular oils you need to buy
from Germany for $100.00?? Sounds ridiculous.
There are so many grape seed oil if very thin and
absorbent, I think sesame oil also, etc etc.


Re: qyackwatch quacks like a duck

Catherine Coy
 

"Pro-alternatives are almost universally concerned only about your getting well, whatever form that takes."

I agree. I think the emerging field of immunotherapy in cancer care is an exciting one. Even though it's equally as toxic (Interferon, for example), the degree of toxicity varies from person to person and can be mitigated with supplements, Guided Imagery, etc.

Why throw the baby out with the bathwater, which is what 100% conventional and 100% alternative seems to do, in my opinion.

----- Original Message -----
From: Julie/Tom Roper
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 6:42 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] qyackwatch quacks like a duck


Quackwatch's purpose is to promote burning, cutting, and Big
Pharma.

Its aim is to keep your attention away from the real quacks.

As for the "pro-alternative camp" being just as biased the other
way, you only need to read any alternative group to find opinions
all over the spectrum.

Quackwatch hammers its one point, over and over, till not even
an Excedrin'll help you. Quackwatch doesn't do it for free -- or
because it cares about your health.

Pro-alternatives are almost universally concerned only about
your getting well, whatever form that takes.








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