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The flaxseed oil I bought the two days ago tastes
like linseed oil I think but it was in
refrigerator at store and also freshness date is
okay. How does one not waste money on oil that
has gone rancid? It is expensive to replace.
Can you order it direct or anything?



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Re: freezing flaxseed oil.
Can you spoon some out everyday after it is
frozen or can you only freeze flaxseed oil you
don't intend to use for awhile.
Thanks



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--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Wilhelm Hansen" <wilhelmh@t...>
wrote:

Ed,
the fo/cc ratio is right, but I wonder why you take 1 tblsp FO

several times a day. Under the Budwig Diet plan one begins with a
Muesli in the morning which consists of 3 tblsp FO, CC, fruit, etc.
for breakfast. See our files under "Budwig Diet" and "Foods".

Wilhelm

Wilhelm:

How important do you think it is that the Meusli be taken in the
morning? I often take mine either mid-morning or at lunch (various
job/home factors make it much more convenient to take it then).

Thanks,
Terry

Re: Sandra's post on mixing

If Budwig said 'electric mixer', he didn't mean
anythingn like the Braun electric handheld
blender. The handheld blender is like the
upright blenders only blades made so they go into
small upright containers. They rotate much
faster than an 'electric mixer'. An electric
mixer is much gentler mixing, much!! It doesn't
use cutting blades that rotate extremely fast, it
is just like two wire whisks that rotate faster
than you could probably do by hand or perhaps you
could but it would be tiring. If his protocol
worked and we are following that then handheld
blenders are different than Budwig used. If the
'contents of the dairy product' don't matter then
it is mute issue. If dairy product is just
vehicle to deliver fo. However high speed
blending ruins much of the nutritional value of
dairy products and many foods that are highly
processed, 'I have read'.

Directions keep recommending electric mixer and
people keep talking about handheld blenders.
They are 'very' different. They had blenders
back in era testing was done then she/he is not
recommending blenders, handheld or tabletop, but
is recommending mixers like you make brownie and
cake batter with and also whip cream, etc. You
don't make whipped cream with blender, right? It
would ruin it wouldn't it, another dairy product.
You hand whisk it or use an 'electric mixer'.




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Ed,
the fo/cc ratio is right, but I wonder why you take 1 tblsp FO several times a day. Under the Budwig Diet plan one begins with a Muesli in the morning which consists of 3 tblsp FO, CC, fruit, etc. for breakfast. See our files under "Budwig Diet" and "Foods".

Wilhelm


Wilhelm...I started taking FO/CC every morning and several times a day. My
recipe is 2 table spoons of cottage cheese, one tablespoon of FO and a
little natural spring water to blend it. Sometimes I add blue berries and a
little natural honey for taste. Am I following the plan OK?

Thanks much.
Ed

Barb,
one of us is missing something here...
there are no flaxseed oil capsules in the Budwig Diet.

Wilhelm

Hi Charles,
I am glad that the fo/cc works well for you for a number of health problems and that you feel so much better. I have added your post in our testimonials under "Arthritis".

Wilhelm

This is all very interesting however I have to add something. I was
diagnosed last october (2003) with advanced pc the most aggresive type
with lymph node involvement. I started soon afterward on focc and have
maintained it with some tailoring on my own. By this I mean the
addition of turmeric and ginger to the mix. when all this started I
was having severe arthritic pain in my arms and shoulders. If I got my
arm up behind my head at night I could not get it down without
reaching up with my other arm and pulling it down. Any kind of
physical labor caused my whole body to ache. If I had to reach across
the car and unlock the door for my wife my arm in the bicep area would
hurt so bad I would get tears in my eyes. Soon after starting focc I
was splitting wood and after about 2 hours it dawned on me that I was
not hurting. I thought it would start when I went into the house. It
never did start and I am totally free of the pain. I also have had a
dramatic improvement in my hypertension. That is my experience with
focc. My psa is down from 358 to 4.7 some of that is due to hormone
therapy. I feel good! I have more energy. I have no idea what is going
on with the cancer. My bladder is now emptying and prostate has shrunk
to normal. I will continue as long as i can with focc if for no other
reason for the reasons I have mentioned.
Charles

Hi Everyone,

When I first found this group and posted on June 29th, a couple weeks
ago, my sister was having surgery that day to have her kidney removed
because a tumor had been found through a CAT scan.

The surgery went well, it WAS cancer, but the doctor believes it was
contained and that she is now cancer free (after lung and bone scans
were done). She and I both started on the Budwig mixture once a day.
She has recovered twice as fast from the surgery as they said she
would, already out and about after 2 weeks and feeling good though,
of course, needs more rest than usual. She's in very good spirits and
believes that with the Budwig protocol, she will stay cancer free. I
sent her many of your inspiring stories of healing and staying healthy.

Also, on the list, I had brought up the discussion about yogurt
replacing cc and had called Bill Henderson about the reference in his
book, which he answered, saying he got the information from this
group. Wilhelm, I want to thank you for changing the file to reflect
that yogurt was never recommended by Dr. Budwig.

I am now using Nancy's brand CC and doing just fine with it. In fact,
I often have an irritated intestinal tract as one of the many problems
I have with my severe case of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. When I eat the
FO/CC/GFS and fruit, the irritation goes away after 15 or 20 minutes.
It evidently soothes the lining or inflammation in the intestines.
(btw, I don't have celiac's disease/gluten intolerance)

Today I sent information about this group to a friend whose grand
daughter, age 15, was recently diagnosed with bone cancer in her leg.
Doctors have already started her on chemotherapy. I hope that the
family will add nutritional support to her program. I will simply share
the information and see if they are interested.

I know from tests that I am very low in glutathione. I'm sensitive to
whey products that have been developed to boost GSH, but perhaps
through the FO/CC mixture, I will begin to feel more strength. I'm
too weak to leave the house very often and I live alone, so I just
got my electric mixer yesterday. My sister had her daughter buy it and
Fed Ex it to me as a thank you for telling her about the Budwig Diet.
(She lives in TX and I'm in California). So, even though I have been
taking the mixture a couple weeks, I'm going to consider July 15th
the start of my taking the protocol (correctly blended).

Thanks again for all the inspiring stories and the responses to my
earlier posts. I'll keep reading the messages every day & posting from
time to time. I keep learning more all the time.

Sandra

This is all very interesting however I have to add something. I was
diagnosed last october (2003) with advanced pc the most aggresive type
with lymph node involvement. I started soon afterward on focc and have
maintained it with some tailoring on my own. By this I mean the
addition of turmeric and ginger to the mix. when all this started I
was having severe arthritic pain in my arms and shoulders. If I got my
arm up behind my head at night I could not get it down without
reaching up with my other arm and pulling it down. Any kind of
physical labor caused my whole body to ache. If I had to reach across
the car and unlock the door for my wife my arm in the bicep area would
hurt so bad I would get tears in my eyes. Soon after starting focc I
was splitting wood and after about 2 hours it dawned on me that I was
not hurting. I thought it would start when I went into the house. It
never did start and I am totally free of the pain. I also have had a
dramatic improvement in my hypertension. That is my experience with
focc. My psa is down from 358 to 4.7 some of that is due to hormone
therapy. I feel good! I have more energy. I have no idea what is going
on with the cancer. My bladder is now emptying and prostate has shrunk
to normal. I will continue as long as i can with focc if for no other
reason for the reasons I have mentioned.
Charles







--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., Cliff Beckwith <cliffb865@f...>
wrote:

I'm concerned after reading an article in www.webmdhealth

regarding

<BR> FO and fish oil, according to a reserch from Charles Myers at
the <BR> University of Virginia Medical School,FO causes a 300%
increase in <BR> the growth of prostate cancer cells, so he

doesn't

reccomend FO for <BR> men. I'll welcome any comments about that.

****

I will post an article written to the Flax list over four years ago.

Cliff

From: "Cliff Beckwith" <cliffb865@f...
?To: "Jules on Myers"
?
?Hi,

The idea that FlaxSeed Oil is bad for men with PCa originated with

Dr.

Myers
and virtually all of those who write as Dr. Ornish has written got

it

from
that source originally.

In the first place it is based on the use of Flaxseed Oil without

the

sulfur
based proteins and Dr. Budwig herself said that is dangerous. Don't

use

it
without the cottage cheese or other source of amino acids with the
sulfur
bond.

I won't argue with Dr. Myers, but I will include here a

communication

written to this list around three years ago and which I saved.

Cliff


Dear Doug: Here's my take on this Dr. Myers matter. Dr. Myers is a
recognized authority, he definitely doesn't like fo/cc therapy, and

he

campaigns against it in many forums. However, that doesn't mean that
he>is
right. I subscribe to the Prostate Forum, I urge others to

subscribe,

and I find benefit in reading it. I am not an anti-Meyers person.

But

you have to understand his biases when you read his theories or you

get

misled.

Dr. Myers has a huge medical practice but he never reports on his
clinical data. He may not have clinical data. Compare him to a Dr.

Walsh

or a Dr. Catalona. You may not agree with them, but they tell you
exactly what happened with their very large patient populations.

They

are not theorizing. They have treated thousands of men and here's

what

happened. Dr. Myers is the opposite. He only theorizes-- with no

data at

all. He reads published papers and interprets them from the point of
view of someone with a lot of biochemistry knowledge. That
causes>problems
and you have to be very careful when you read his writings. He
can be dead wrong.
Look first at one of his other peculiar items in the latest issue
(called Feb 2000). On the front page it says: "Surgical removal of
prostate cancer accelerates the growth of metastatic prostate cancer

by

suppressing the production of angiostatin." You might think that he

is

saying that you shouldn't have surgery, but if you think that you

were

deceived. He's not saying that at all!! I know, some people will

jump

on>these words and start to believe that surgery doesn't work. But

it's

nonsense; we have data on that topic. Where's the error? Can you

find

it? Be honest. Can you find the error or would you have been taken

in ?

O.K. here's the answer. Firstly, if you read his analysis of his own
treatment regime in a prior issue then you know that he wanted to

have

surgery, but he reasoned that it wouldn't work for him. So he's

clearly

not against surgery. If you read the supporting article in detail,

you

will find that he's not talking about surgery in general, despite

the

headline; he's talking about (w/o properly naming it) so-called
debulking for men who have very advanced PC with well defined mets.
However, even for this case his argument is theoretical and not a

valid

proof. Why? Because these are very sick men who are using some type

of

therapy. The question is whether their chosen therapy is aided or

harmed

by the debulking. Dr. Myers has nothing valid to say on this
topic ,>because
he didn't even speculate, no less have data, on a protocol for
such cases. His imaginary protocol is the case of the very sick man

who

does nothing but debulking. That's a stupid case and doesn't arise.

So

what does the article teach? Ans: Nothing at all. It's all blowing

in

the wind. It's just an interesting theoretical comment with no

clinical

significance.
I offer you that analysis to show you how Dr. Myers theorizing style
gets him in trouble fairly often. You have to be a very careful

reader.

What is Dr. Myers doing with fo/cc? He's theorizing again. He offers

an

analysis of the biochemistry of fats and tells you of his library
search. He does everything other than follow the suggested protocol

and

try it on patients, or at least on dogs. He'll do anything other

than

real scientific testing. When we read that many quite sick people

have

tried fo/cc alone and as an adjuvant to other therapies, and very

good

things happened, how can anyone possibly throw out this data and

accept

Dr. Myers theorizing? Above all, if we want to be scientifically
rational, then we must give the heaviest weight to real test data.
That's where the rubber meets the road.

What's the bottom line? We must remember that fo/cc is an
investigational therapy. We have to be careful and work closely with

a

supportive doctor. We should treat Dr. Myers concerns with respect.

But

in no way is his theorizing ever a trump card. In no way should

people

ignore test results and prefer learned speculation. Dr. Myers hasn't
proven anything. Read it always as an advisory thought.

Jules

Swansons MSR-3 is a good substitute for MGN3 and at a third of the
cost.
Sunfish

Because by itself it is not water soluable and your body will not be
able to digest it. It must be mixed with a high sulfur rich protein to
be water soluable.

Hope this helps,
Del

Boricua wrote:

I'm concerned after reading an article in www.webmdhealth regarding
<BR> FO and fish oil, according to a reserch from Charles Myers at
the <BR> University of Virginia Medical School,FO causes a 300%
increase in <BR> the growth of prostate cancer cells, so he doesn't
reccomend FO for <BR> men. I'll welcome any comments about that.

****

I will post an article written to the Flax list over four years ago.

Cliff

From: "Cliff Beckwith" <cliffb865@...
?To: "Jules on Myers"
?
?Hi,

The idea that FlaxSeed Oil is bad for men with PCa originated with Dr.
Myers
and virtually all of those who write as Dr. Ornish has written got it
from
that source originally.

In the first place it is based on the use of Flaxseed Oil without the
sulfur
based proteins and Dr. Budwig herself said that is dangerous. Don't use
it
without the cottage cheese or other source of amino acids with the
sulfur
bond.

I won't argue with Dr. Myers, but I will include here a communication
written to this list around three years ago and which I saved.

Cliff


Dear Doug: Here's my take on this Dr. Myers matter. Dr. Myers is a
recognized authority, he definitely doesn't like fo/cc therapy, and he
campaigns against it in many forums. However, that doesn't mean that
he>is
right. I subscribe to the Prostate Forum, I urge others to subscribe,
and I find benefit in reading it. I am not an anti-Meyers person. But
you have to understand his biases when you read his theories or you get
misled.

Dr. Myers has a huge medical practice but he never reports on his
clinical data. He may not have clinical data. Compare him to a Dr. Walsh
or a Dr. Catalona. You may not agree with them, but they tell you
exactly what happened with their very large patient populations. They
are not theorizing. They have treated thousands of men and here's what
happened. Dr. Myers is the opposite. He only theorizes-- with no data at
all. He reads published papers and interprets them from the point of
view of someone with a lot of biochemistry knowledge. That
causes>problems
and you have to be very careful when you read his writings. He
can be dead wrong.
Look first at one of his other peculiar items in the latest issue
(called Feb 2000). On the front page it says: "Surgical removal of
prostate cancer accelerates the growth of metastatic prostate cancer by
suppressing the production of angiostatin." You might think that he is
saying that you shouldn't have surgery, but if you think that you were
deceived. He's not saying that at all!! I know, some people will jump
on>these words and start to believe that surgery doesn't work. But it's
nonsense; we have data on that topic. Where's the error? Can you find
it? Be honest. Can you find the error or would you have been taken in ?
O.K. here's the answer. Firstly, if you read his analysis of his own
treatment regime in a prior issue then you know that he wanted to have
surgery, but he reasoned that it wouldn't work for him. So he's clearly
not against surgery. If you read the supporting article in detail, you
will find that he's not talking about surgery in general, despite the
headline; he's talking about (w/o properly naming it) so-called
debulking for men who have very advanced PC with well defined mets.
However, even for this case his argument is theoretical and not a valid
proof. Why? Because these are very sick men who are using some type of
therapy. The question is whether their chosen therapy is aided or harmed
by the debulking. Dr. Myers has nothing valid to say on this
topic ,>because
he didn't even speculate, no less have data, on a protocol for
such cases. His imaginary protocol is the case of the very sick man who
does nothing but debulking. That's a stupid case and doesn't arise. So
what does the article teach? Ans: Nothing at all. It's all blowing in
the wind. It's just an interesting theoretical comment with no clinical
significance.
I offer you that analysis to show you how Dr. Myers theorizing style
gets him in trouble fairly often. You have to be a very careful reader.

What is Dr. Myers doing with fo/cc? He's theorizing again. He offers an
analysis of the biochemistry of fats and tells you of his library
search. He does everything other than follow the suggested protocol and
try it on patients, or at least on dogs. He'll do anything other than
real scientific testing. When we read that many quite sick people have
tried fo/cc alone and as an adjuvant to other therapies, and very good
things happened, how can anyone possibly throw out this data and accept
Dr. Myers theorizing? Above all, if we want to be scientifically
rational, then we must give the heaviest weight to real test data.
That's where the rubber meets the road.

What's the bottom line? We must remember that fo/cc is an
investigational therapy. We have to be careful and work closely with a
supportive doctor. We should treat Dr. Myers concerns with respect. But
in no way is his theorizing ever a trump card. In no way should people
ignore test results and prefer learned speculation. Dr. Myers hasn't
proven anything. Read it always as an advisory thought.

Jules

Testing

Lisa,
Flaxseed capsules-
That is fantastic. How are you blending the
protocols? How much flaxseed oil do you think
you are getting? Is there a reason you don't
just increase the fo/cc but instead take the
capsules.
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Hi, I'm a person who has had lots of chemo and then radiation, and used
alternatives.

Cynthia

Wilhelm...I started taking FO/CC every morning and several times a day. My
recipe is 2 table spoons of cottage cheese, one tablespoon of FO and a
little natural spring water to blend it. Sometimes I add blue berries and a
little natural honey for taste. Am I following the plan OK?

Thanks much.
Ed

Sorry if I sound lost, but why is it bad to take FO by itself ?

Bori




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I was wondering have anyone here had IPT or Chemo and later use alternative to cure cancer.


I was reading this page and it said that Chemo and radiation get rid of tumors yet the cancer itself is not cured.






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Hi Joan,

I had to look for it. That was Msg # 4168 which was in reference to our files where a fellow by the name of bgtt57 had quietly been building a library of past posts and other Budwig and flaxseed oil related information under the heading of "bookmarks". Prior to that our files have had very little information in them as far as I remember.

All of that information under "bookmarks" mysteriously disappeared a few months later and our files were empty once again except for one file. Shortly after we discovered that, we began to add new material to our files witch is what you see now. This btw is completely different from the former "bookmarks".

Wilhelm


I am looking for some previous posts about poor appetite (I think
there were some just 3 or so months ago), which I am having trouble
finding. As I am searching, I find a hard copy of Wilhelm's post of
April 22, 2002, about bookmarks in the FlaxSeedOil group. I have been
unable to access bookmarks. Do you have to be a member to do that, or
is this old outdated information from 2002? It sounds like it could
be a helpful tool. Wilhelm, can you help me out with this, if I am
being clear with my question? Thanks, Joan

I am looking for some previous posts about poor appetite (I think
there were some just 3 or so months ago), which I am having trouble
finding. As I am searching, I find a hard copy of Wilhelm's post of
April 22, 2002, about bookmarks in the FlaxSeedOil group. I have been
unable to access bookmarks. Do you have to be a member to do that, or
is this old outdated information from 2002? It sounds like it could
be a helpful tool. Wilhelm, can you help me out with this, if I am
being clear with my question? Thanks, Joan