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CAFFEINE FREE VS DECAFF

 

Rita,
Switch to CAFFEINE FREE instead of decaf.
Not only will you taste the difference
but your system will thank you.
Ramon


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Subj: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] cancer and sugar
Date: 3/13/2003 2:22:01 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: "Lorenzo" <lorenzo1@...>
To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Reply-To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent from the Internet (Details)


Just eliminate all refined products as a safety precaution;

No Sugar, No Pasta, only sprouted grain bread.

No potatoes, no cooked carrots or other root vegetables.

Raw Veggies, All colors. Some fruit, Berries--

How is that for a starter.

Lorenzo

----- Original Message -----
From: rita kinney
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] cancer and sugar

I have learaned by trial, that including at least one piece of fruit a day
will keep blood sugar level and overcome the craving for sweetened foods.
The rest is made up by vegetables. One or two servings of bread or pasta,
or other carbs made from refined carbohydrate products seems ok. My
references are The Zone by Barry Sears where he devotes one or two pages to
proper nutrition against cancer, (plus the rest of his dietary information),
years of Weight Watchers, and all I've learned from the internet.
The phytonutrients in fruits and veggies fight the cancer. I have imagined
that the sugars formed from fruit and veggies go to the muscles, skin, and
hopefully are "spent" by the body before they have time to travel to a
tumor.
I can't imagine any way to starve tumor except the new theories involving
COX2 inhibition. This is supposed to actually "shrink" the blood vessels to
tumors. I found an interesting article on
www.new-chapter.com/herbal_cox2.html. I have since begun to drink tea a
blend of decaffienated black tea and green tea. I really don't like the way
green tea tastes. There are other herbals mentioned in this article.
I'd also like to hear other's thoughts on this.

----- Original Message -----
From: "ronwilson" <ronlwilson@...>
To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] cancer and sugar


> Sugar is condemned as food as it feeds cancer. Restricting sugar and
> starches as it turns into sugar is preached with out end, some in fruit or
> vegs. is allowed by some, honey by others. Is this a pointless belief as
> with out sugar we can not live. Our blood must have sugar and does for
cell
> energy so cancer always has a food supply. Any thoughts?????
>


Re: Tom's 12 Month MRI Report

 

Praise God that Flaxseed oil and miracles do happen!!

I hate to say this, but I will be doing the chemo, to make my family happy
and to make the doctors happy. I also will be using the f/o and cc along
too.

I am now back to the cottage cheese instead of using the companion nutrients.


In God We Trust
Cynthia


Re: EDTA

Alan Nongkhai
 

Thanks Gaylen ,

Best Regards from
Alan Patterson
THAI = LAOS = EXPAT SERVICES Co Ltd.
Postal address. 1133 Kondgee Uthit .Nong Khai
Thailand 43000

E.Mail .. apatter1@... <mailto:apatter1@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: Gaylen Tibbitt [mailto:golfegg@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:38 PM
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] EDTA


It is a asfe detox that's been around sinse the 40's. I also heard a story
about some one who fell into a bunch of pestisides or fertilizer & was
expected to die. Took EDTA & is ok now.






From: "Alan Nongkhai" <alan_nk@...>
Reply-To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
To: "FlaxSeedOil2@yahoogroups. com" <FlaxSeedOil2@...>,
"Cliff Beckwith" <cliffb865@...>, "Cancercured@Yahoogroups.
Com" <cancercured@...>
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] EDTA
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:12:28 +0700

Hello all ,,I just recieved this message from a friend whos mate hasd sent
this E Mail to him and he passed it on . doess anybody have any info on
this
. IT IS A GENUINE CASE !

He was
about to have his latest and worst op when they cancelled it saying the
tumour had disappeared. Rob had been self dosing (of course) with EDTA
(Ethylene Diamine Tetra Acetic Acid). It's a chealating agent for
decontaminatiom from nuclear fallout. It latches on to heavy metals and
lets you piss them out.
Seems to have sorted Rob out anyway. It's good there are some winners.

Best Regards from
Alan Patterson
1133/6 Tannon Gow Warrawot
Nongkhai
Thailand 43000
Phone 66 042 421223

NEW E MAIL < alan_nk@...>





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Re: I want to do a liver clense ????

Alan Nongkhai
 

Hi , thanks for your long letter .I live in Nongkhia on the Mekhong River
oppositr Vientiane the Capitol city of Laos . no polution and very clean so
no problems . My liver is enlarging and gives me discomfort , it ia also
quite hard in places and I am loosing weight cause I don't feel I can eat as
much as I think my stomache may have shrunk after 6 months of juices
,cottage cheese ect. I will try thr Laos traditional cure and see what
happens , Thanks again

Best Regards from
Alan Patterson
THAI = LAOS = EXPAT SERVICES Co Ltd.
Postal address. 1133 Kondgee Uthit .Nong Khai
Thailand 43000

E.Mail .. apatter1@... <mailto:apatter1@...>

-----Original Message-----
From: sitzfamily [mailto:sitzfamily@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:57 PM
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: I want to do a liver clense ????


Hi Alan,
I used to live in Asia ( Bali for 11 years) and while there are many
healers who can heal cancer, there are also many dangers of living
in Asia. Parasites and pollution being two major ones. I feel a
liver cleanse would be good for you, but I would do a parasite
cleanse as well. Do you have Dr. Clark's book, " The CUre for All
Cancers"? You can order it from
They also sell the herbs you need for the cleanse and the zappers.

Also, watch out for pollutants. Are you in a big city? Protect your
liver by avoid car exhaust ( nearly impossible in asia- but worth
looking silly by wearing a mask), pesticides. Search out organic
foods. Sometimes there are expat farmers growing organic foods. Or
find old farmers who can't afford pesticeds. I used to buy veggies
from a really old lady who grew wonderful veggies with no pesticides
and loved getting money form the bule ( white person) who lived in
her village. I kept her in betel nut and the occasional new sarong
for years. The pesticides come in 50 lb bags with the warnings in
ENGLISH and then get broken into 1 kilo bags by the brokers with no
warnings attached. The farmers have no idea jow dangerous they are
or how to properly use them. They frequently spray right before
harvesting. And of course the ubiquitous cigarette smoke. If you
smoke, you'll never beat your cancer unless you quit. This may sound
obvious to most people, but you'd be surprised who powerful the
addiction is at creating denial. And avoid all smaoke. You may have
to stop eating out to avoid smoke.

Finally, I know how hard it is to avoid fried food in asia. But
worth the effort. train your cook, (assuming you have one, most
expats do) to cook by steaming and to fry in the wok with veggie
stock. Use coconut oil to cook, and buy it locally from someone who
makes it, not from the grocery store.

Also, I had very results with Chines herbs. Is there a Chinese
herbalist in your area? There usually is. They're called Sinshe in
Indonesia, don't know about Thailand.

Best to you,
Virginia


--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Alan Nongkhai" <alan_nk@u...>
wrote:

Hi all , I need to apoligise to many kind persond that answered my
cal for
help about 6 months ago ,my address then being <apatter1>. I have
since been
fro Thailand to Australia seking help fom my advanced ( now) liver
cancer .
My mails got lost in the changes of computors and travelling.
I was particulary interested in "Mels" Rolling Stone Project as
I would
like to do a liver clense but in some reciepies it advises against
a clense
if ill . well I have been on the full Budwig diet 50 ml a day
about 24 Gms
Vit C and a stack of other Vitimins and have steadily gotten
worse . my
liver is lie s piece of bone in places and is enlarging to my
stomache . I
am also m=now taking some "sectert herbs and spices " from Laos
that has
reportedly cured many cancer victims .
I answered a lot of mails concerning my problem but afraid I
probably missed
the replys. If any body has any suggestions about a liver cancer
when it
gets to be this problem I surley would like to read it

Best Regards from
Alan Patterson
THAI = LAOS = EXPAT SERVICES Co Ltd.
Postal address. 1133 Kondgee Uthit .Nong Khai
Thailand 43000

alan_nk@u...











-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Beckwith [mailto:cliffb865@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:48 PM
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Subject: `Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] clinic in Zion, Illinois


Hi Rose,

Thanks for that input. I am glad to know that conerning The Cancer
Treatment Centers of America. The Gerson treatment doesn't use
the sulfur
based proteins either. I do not know the Gerson degree of success
but I
believe it is less than Dr. Budwig was able to achieve.

However, I wouldn't touch the Flaxseed oil without the sulfur based
proeteins with a ten foot pole as the old saying goes, unless the
amouint of
Flaxseed oil used would be no more than a tablespoon and that much
is not
enough to fight serious cancer.

Dr. Budwig says that the use of the oil without the sulfur based
proteins
may have "the opposite effect".

My Oncologist thinks somewhat like the Cancer treatment Centers of
America I
believe, except she would not suggest the Flax Oil without the
sulfur based
proteins and is coming closer to Dr. Budwig's protocol as she sees
it
working.

My whole quarrel with what is happening in the Americas is that we
will not
experiment with what Dr. Budwig has found to work because it would
greatly
damage our Pharmaceutical Industry. If they would and doctors
would go
along with it we would enjoy the sunshine on some beach instead of
at the
computer.

Cliff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rose Bowman" <rosiebowman@y...>
To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:32 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] clinic in Zion, Illinois



Regarding Cancer Treatment Centers of America and the
connection to the FO/CC protocol...

Their approach is to use "restrained" chemo or
radiation to get cancer under control, then lots and
lots of good nutrition, herbs, and other alternatives
to heal the body. They do indeed strongly acknowledge
the anti-cancer benefits of flax oil and recommend it
as part of the nutritional healing program. However,
they don't advocate the sulpherated proteins. It
seems that the Budwig diet is one of the few that
stresses this combination.

Rose Bowman



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Fw: [cancercured] Budwig Flax Oil Diet

bob smith
 

Barry,
Pam Young originally posted this, much thanks and credit to her.
Bob Smith

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pam Young" <pyoung1955@...>
To: <cancercured@...>; "ABC Group"
<alternative_breast_cancer@...>; "MPIBBI Group"
<mpibbi@...>; <tram_flap@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: [cancercured] Budwig Flax Oil Diet


The Budwig Flax Oil Diet for Cancer




The flaxseed (linseed) oil diet was originally
proposed by Dr Johanna Budwig in 1951 and recently
re-examined by Dr Dan C Roehm MD FACP (oncologist and
former cardiologist) in 1990. Dr Roehm claims: "this
diet is far and away the most successful anti-cancer
diet in the world".1

Budwig claims that the diet is both
preventative and curative. She says the absence of
linoleic acids (in the average Western diet) is
responsible for the production of oxidase, which
induces cancer growth and is the cause of many other
chronic disorders. The beneficial oxidase ferments are
destroyed by heating or boiling oils in foods, and by
nitrates used for preserving meat, etc.

The theory is: the use of oxygen in the organism
can be stimulated by protein compounds of sulphuric
content, which make oils water-soluble and which is
present in cheese, nuts, onion and leek vegetables
such as leek, chive, onion and garlic, but especially
cottage cheese.

Ferments of cell respiration closely connected
with the highly unsaturated fatty acids, are also
needed for proper oxidation. It is essential to use
only unrefined, cold-pressed oils with high linoleic
acid content, such as linseed, sunflower, soya, poppy
seed, walnut and corn oils. Such oils should be
consumed together with foods containing the right
proteins, otherwise the oils will have the opposite
effect, causing more harm than good.

The best combination is cottage cheese and
linseed oil. The linseed should be freshly ground.
Carbohydrates containing natural sugar, such as dates,
figs, pears, apples and grapes, are also included in
the diet. Honey is also beneficial. Some synthetic
vitamin A preparations are bad because they contain
oxidation products, but much carotene as provitamin A
(from carrot) is consumed. Vitamin B from buttermilk,
yoghurt, and natural yeast is beneficial.

A person requires daily about 4 oz of cottage
cheese mixed well with 1.5 oz of linseed oil and 1oz
of milk. A blender or eggbeater works fine. The
mixture can be sweetened with honey or otherwise
flavoured naturally. Fresh fruits can be added. Every
morning two spoonfuls of freshly ground linseed oil
should be taken in luke-warm buttermilk or yoghurt.

The diet is indicated for all kinds of chronic
diseases, especially heart ailments (coronary
thrombosis), gall disorders, diabetes, arthritis, and
malignancies. It improves failing hearing and sight.
It is the ideal nutrient for children and infants. It
is suggested that this diet be supplemented with
lactic acid ferments.

General Rules

The patient has no nourishment on day one other
than 250ml (8.5oz) of flax oil with honey plus freshly
squeezed fruit juices (no sugar added!). In the case
of a very ill person, champagne may be added on the
first day in place of juice and is taken with the flax
oil and honey.

Champagne is easily absorbable and has a serious
purpose here.

Sugar is absolutely forbidden. Grape juice may be
added to sweeten any other freshly squeezed juices.

Other 'forbiddens' are:
all animal fats;
all salad oils (this includes commercial mayonnaise);
all meats (chemicals and hormones);
butter;
margarine;
preserved meats (the preservatives block metabolism
even of flax oil).

Freshly squeezed vegetable juices are fine - carrot,
celery, apple and red beet.

Three times daily a warm tea is essential -
peppermint, rose hips or grape tea - all sweetened as
desired with honey. One cup of black tea before noon
is fine.

Daily Plan

Before breakfast - a glass of Acidophilus milk
or Sauerkraut juice is taken.

Breakfast - Muesli (regular cereal) is overlaid
with two tablespoons (30ml) of flax oil and honey and
fresh fruit according to season, e.g. berries,
cherries, apricots, peaches, grated apple.

Vary the flavour from day to day. Use any nuts except
peanuts! Herbal teas as desired or black tea. A 4oz
(120g) serving of 'the spread'(directions below). This
is fine to eat 'straight', like a custard, or add it
to other foods taken in the day as you will see.

Morning tea (10am) - A glass of fresh carrot,
apple, celery, or beet-apple juice is taken.

Lunch - Raw salad with yoghurt-flax oil
mayonnaise (directions below).

In addition to 'greens' salads, use grated
turnips, carrots, kohlrabi, radishes, sauerkraut or
cauliflower. A fine powder of horseradish, chives or
parsley may be added for flavour.

Cooked meal course - Steamed vegetables,
potatoes, or such grains as rice, buckwheat or millet
may be served. To these add either 'the spread' or
'the mayo' for flavour and to up your intake of flax
oil. Also mix 'the spread' with potatoes for an
especially hearty meal. Add caraway, chives, parsley
or other herbs.

Dessert - Mix fresh fruit other than those used
for breakfast with 'the spread', this time (instead of
honey), flavoured using cream of lemon, vanilla or
berries.

Afternoon tea (4pm) - A small glass of natural
wine (no preservatives) or champagne or fresh fruit
juice with 1-2 tablespoons of honey-coated flax seeds.

Supper - Have this early, at 6pm. Make a hot
meal using buckwheat, oat or soy cakes. Grits from
buckwheat are the very best and can be placed in a
vegetable soup, or in a more solid form of cakes with
herbal sauce. Sweet sauces and soups can always be
given far more healing energy by adding 'the spread'.
Only honey or grape juice can be used for sweeteners.
No white sugar (or brown!). Only freshly squeezed
juices and not reconstituted juices (preservative
danger) may be used. These must be completely natural.

"If only all patients had a PhD in biochemistry
and quantum physics to enable them to see how with
such consummate skill this diet was put together. It
is a wonder. The champagne vehicle is easier to
assimilate and get someone almost on his or her
deathbed going again. A retention enema of 250ml
(8.5oz) of oil is another route to get this precious
life furthering, electron-rich oil into the body. It
can also be applied to the skin for transdermal
absorption."1

In 1967, Dr Budwig broadcast the following
sentence during an interview over the South German
radio network, describing her incoming patients with
failed operations and x-ray therapy:

"Even in these cases it is possible to restore
health in a few months at most, I would truly say 90%
of the time.

"This has never been contradicted, but this
knowledge has been a long time reaching this side of
the ocean, hasn't it?

"May those of you who have suffered from this
disease (and I include your family and friends in
this) forgive the miscreants who have kept this simple
information from reaching you for so long."1

Flax seeds may also be used. Seeds need only be
cracked in a food blender, or they may be ground in a
coffee grinder.

One needs three times the amount of seed to get the
oil equivalent. Seeds are high in calories, so one may
gain weight. The seeds are also high in soluble fibre,
so blending with liquid tends to produce
ever-hardening 'jellies'. Fresh-cracked seed sprinkled
on muesli and eaten promptly tastes great.

Ed McCabe2 discusses his point of view on
essential fatty acids:

"The red blood cells in the lungs give up
carbon dioxide and take on oxygen. They are then
transported to the cell site via the blood vessels,
where, they release their oxygen into the plasma. This
released oxygen is 'attracted' to the cells by the
'resonance' of the 'pi-electron' oxidation-enhancing
fatty acids. Otherwise, oxygen cannot work its way
into the cell. 'Electron rich fatty acids' play the
decisive role in respiratory enzymes, which are the
basis of cell oxidation."

"Don't eat anything hydrogenated (like
margarine, or fried foods) as it defeats oxygenation.
Avoid products that say 'hydrogenated'."

"We should eat essential polyunsaturated fatty
acids to enhance oxygenation. They can be found
naturally in carotene, saffron, and flaxseed oil."

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Fw:

bob smith
 

----- Original Message -----
From: bob smith
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:56 PM


Barry,
I am succesfully treating NHL with FO/CC. My understanding of the proper ratio is 1 Tbsp. FO to 3Tbsp.CC. It should be thoroughly blended. I use a hand held mixer and get good results but I only add honey for taste. If you add fruit you would need a hand held blender. Many of the members of this list use the blender. Be aware that you should use a measuring tablespoon and not a tableware tablespoon. The measuring spoon is 15ml and the tableware size is 10ml.
I believe I have the Budwig diet archived and if I can locate it will forwars it. Unless some kind soul beats me to it. Bob Smith


Fw:

bob smith
 

----- Original Message -----
From: bob smith
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:56 PM


Barry,
I am succesfully treating NHL with FO/CC. My understanding of the proper ratio is 1 Tbsp. FO to 3Tbsp.CC. It should be thoroughly blended. I use a hand held mixer and get good results but I only add honey for taste. If you add fruit you would need a hand held blender. Many of the members of this list use the blender. Be aware that you should use a measuring tablespoon and not a tableware tablespoon. The measuring spoon is 15ml and the tableware size is 10ml.
I believe I have the Budwig diet archived and if I can locate it will forwars it. Unless some kind soul beats me to it. Bob Smith


(No subject)

bob smith
 

Barry,
I am succesfully treating NHL with FO/CC. My understanding of the proper ratio is 1 Tbsp. FO to 3Tbsp.CC. It should be thoroughly blended. I use a hand held mixer and get good results but I only add honey for taste. If you add fruit you would need a hand held blender. Many of the members of this list use the blender. Be aware that you should use a measuring tablespoon and not a tableware tablespoon. The measuring spoon is 15ml and the tableware size is 10ml.
I believe I have the Budwig diet archived and if I can locate it will forwars it. Unless some kind soul beats me to it. Bob Smith


Member deleted

Cliff Beckwith
 

To All,

One of the rules of this list is that we do not make personal attacks on
anyone.

One member who has often disregarded this has been deleted and banned from
further participation.

I once held a Certifate to be a High School Principal. Fortunately for both
myself and the Education process I never used it. I have the personality
for a High School Counselor and I used that quite successfully for in the
neighborhood of 30 years.

Enough is enough.

Cliff


Re: Digest Number 689

kirsten somers
 

found where?
foxhillers@... wrote:Liver =
Milk thistle, dandelion and a Native American Indian herb tea blend
sometimes called Essiac. (Burdock, slipper elm, sheep's sorrel and Turkish
rhubarb root).
mjh

In a message dated 3/19/03 4:11:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
FlaxSeedOil2@... writes:

From: "Alan Nongkhai" <alan_nk@...>
Subject: I want to do a liver clense ????


Hi all , I need to apoligise to many kind persond that answered my cal for
help about 6 months ago ,my address then being <apatter1>. I have since
been
fro Thailand to Australia seking help fom my advanced ( now) liver cancer .
My mails got lost in the changes of computors and travelling.
I was particulary interested in "Mels" Rolling Stone Project as I would
like to do a liver clense but in some reciepies it advises against a clense
if ill . well I have been on the full Budwig diet 50 ml a day about 24 Gms
Vit C and a stack of other Vitimins and have steadily gotten worse . my
liver is lie s piece of bone in places and is enlarging to my stomache . I
am also m=now taking some "sectert herbs and spices " from Laos that has
reportedly cured many cancer victims .
I answered a lot of mails concerning my problem but afraid I probably
missed
the replys. If any body has any suggestions about a liver cancer when it
gets to be this problem I surley would like to read it

Best Regards from
Alan Patterson
THAI = LAOS = EXPAT SERVICES Co Ltd.
Postal address¡­¡­. 1133 Kondgee Uthit .Nong Khai
Thailand 43000

alan_nk@...





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Re: clinic in Zion, Illinois

Peter Fackelmann
 

Lorenzo -

sorry, but I feel pity for you.
Your reading capability fits with your manners.
I posted a text showing that Dr Myers is wrong, and you call me
his friend.
You already attacked me in the past. I don't know your motive
but I will not reply to that anymore, particularly not to your
chauvinistic outbreaks.

The following excerpt is not for you but for others on this list
who can read:

---------------------------------------------------------------
To: FlaxSeedOil@...
From: Peter Fackelmann <pfackelmann@...>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:40:14 +0100
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil] Tofu

Jay -

Myers is selling other things every three months, e.g. estrogen
patches for men. I can't take him serious.
The formula is FO/CC - nothing else.
---------------------------------------------------------------
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
From: Peter Fackelmann <pfackelmann@...>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:36:29 +0100
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] clinic in Zion/Studies

Mike -

One often mentioned name in this context is Dr Myers.
I didn't check the texts, because I know it's nonsense.
---------------------------------------------------------------


With polite regards

Peter



At 7:04 Uhr +0100 20.03.2003, Lorenzo wrote:
PS: Is "fishy" an insult?>
I hope so.

Now that it turns out that you are still obfuscating the data and doing
your best to introduce doubt into this site:

I begin to seriously suspect that your are here to cause confusion among
innocent people!

Frequently some person joins this list to just insert confusion.

Peter! Shape up.
At 7:33 Uhr +0100 20.03.2003, Lorenzo wrote:
To Peter,

Peter you are confused!

Haltsmaul! for Peter!
At 7:36 Uhr +0100 20.03.2003, Lorenzo wrote:
To All:

Peter seems to be a lackey of Dr. Meyers----------

So if you wish to take the Dr.
Meyers cocktail of Designer drugs -------Just quit this list and enjoy
your misery!

Bon Voyage.

At 7:55 Uhr +0100 20.03.2003, Lorenzo wrote:
Hi Cliff,

This list is "gettin a lotta crap lately".............

It seems to me that this "Peter" is a spy, OR a "mole",or an
"infiltrator's just here to cause trouble!.......



Cliff:

I was Criminal Investigator in the Provost Martial Office in Wiesbaden
Germany,

Army Air Corp headquarters, during the years of 1946, 1947 and 1948.

I Was an interpreter. I learned German on the Job. I also learned
that many or at least some of those Germans that I interrogated, were the
Worlds most sophisticated liars.

Please put ALL new members on moderated!

And actually kick off some of these spoofers.......

Cliff........ they are just trying to kill this list.

Best Regards,

Lorenzo



I am at lorenzo1@... Please ATTACK ME! --Personally__ I am
a USA Soldier; Twice and I am no Dummy.

LORENZO, WWII Veteran TWO TIMES. STARTING AT AGE 16.


Confusion

Cliff Beckwith
 

Hi All,

Perhaps we have a case of mistaken perceptions or something. I see nothing
wrong with Peter's message or Mike and Jayne's.

I also value Lorenzo's input but we don't want to be personal.

There is a real conflict in my mind with Dr. Myers because I have PCa that
is quite aggressive and I don't agree with his conclusions based on what I
have seen.

Had I known of his opinion when I was diagnosed 12 years ago I would not
have used the FO/CC, I would have been dead and there would be no flax
lists. I am alive!!

I am not a total dummy fro the scientific standpoint. I have a Graduate
Minor in Biology from Kent State University [about 45 years ago] and have
taught Science [not particularly well].

Yet I have forgotten so much that I cannot take time to analyze why things
work or don't work. I would have to relearn too much and I am too far over
the hill.

All I know is that the FO/CC works and that the FO minus the CC does not do
nearly as well, if it is not actually harmful, in the quantities necessary
to fight serious cancer.

As far as I am concerned, in the Americas we are playing with a lot of
research on small amounts of flaxseeds for prevention etc. of cancer and
other problems. This is great and helpful. I feel it isn't worth much
fighting cancer that is already there and that is my main concern though
folks on this list who don't have cancer may gain a great deal from it and I
am grateful that the knowledge is here.

If we keep our focus we will keep passing on a lot of great information.

When I got the message from Nancy a couple of nights ago I was Praising The
Lord! I am not starting a religious discussion. We will keep that off this
list. Forgive me, but I felt that way.

I called her Dad, my Navy friend and shipmate from WW II, and we rejoiced
together.

Nancy has several friends now involved, her family, and she is quite
optimistic.

A couple of years ago or more, a friend in Cyberspace who is an excellent
analyst was on this list and posted a message concerning his viewpoint on
Dr. Myers' ideas. I am sure that he will be fine with my reposting it here.
I saved it and have used it often.
****

This subject comes up so often that I will simply send this document below
for consideration.

Dr. Myers is a great standard treatment Oncologist primarily concerned with
PCa.

I saw a video one night of a seminar of his given to Urologist. I believe
the statement was made that FO was good for other cancer but dangerous for
PCa. Had I heard that when I first began to use it I would not have used it
and in all liklihood been long dead.

I had already been using it for seven years and had seen a fair number of
men use it with very good results. I have never seen any indication that
the results he warns against have any validity.

However, because of his stature as a doctor, his opinion has been accepted
at face value without verification all over the world. I won't go into the
experimentation, but one thing is sure. There was no sulfur based protein
used with it and the human body is not a petri dish. Dr. Myers looks at the
Omega 3 fatty acid in flaxseed oil as a drug. It isn't. It is a food that
is essential to health and helps the body repair itself.

Dr. Budwig herself says that if flaxseed oil is used alone, without the
sulfur based protein, it can have the "opposite effect".

I know that there are at least 30 strains of PCa; most of which are slow
growing but they vary all the way to very aggessive. The more aggressive
the more difficult to control by any means attempted. Once the problem has
spread the general assumption is that it is incurable. When Prostectomies
are done, the average number of strains present is seven.

When I was diagnosed Gleason scores were not done in the hospital where I
had my biopsy. It would appear that the Gleason then was 7-8. My doctor
believes that in all liklihood that mine is more aggressive by this time but
it isn't worth a biopsy to find out.

While I am not entirely cancer free according to my PSA, I have not seen any
with a less aggressive PCa that have not responded.

Cliff


Dear Doug: Here's my take on this Dr. Myers matter. Dr. Myers is a
recognized authority, he definitely doesn't like fo/cc therapy, and he
campaigns against it in many forums. However, that doesn't mean that he>is
right. I subscribe to the Prostate Forum, I urge others to subscribe,
and I find benefit in reading it. I am not an anti-Meyers person. But
you have to understand his biases when you read his theories or you get
misled.

Dr. Myers has a huge medical practice but he never reports on his
clinical data. He may not have clinical data. Compare him to a Dr. Walsh
or a Dr. Catalona. You may not agree with them, but they tell you
exactly what happened with their very large patient populations. They
are not theorizing. They have treated thousands of men and here's what
happened. Dr. Myers is the opposite. He only theorizes-- with no data at
all. He reads published papers and interprets them from the point of
view of someone with a lot of biochemistry knowledge. That causes>problems
and you have to be very careful when you read his writings. He
can be dead wrong.
Look first at one of his other peculiar items in the latest issue
(called Feb 2000). On the front page it says: "Surgical removal of
prostate cancer accelerates the growth of metastatic prostate cancer by
suppressing the production of angiostatin." You might think that he is
saying that you shouldn't have surgery, but if you think that you were
deceived. He's not saying that at all!! I know, some people will jump
on>these words and start to believe that surgery doesn't work. But it's
nonsense; we have data on that topic. Where's the error? Can you find
it? Be honest. Can you find the error or would you have been taken in ?
O.K. here's the answer. Firstly, if you read his analysis of his own
treatment regime in a prior issue then you know that he wanted to have
surgery, but he reasoned that it wouldn't work for him. So he's clearly
not against surgery. If you read the supporting article in detail, you
will find that he's not talking about surgery in general, despite the
headline; he's talking about (w/o properly naming it) so-called
debulking for men who have very advanced PC with well defined mets.
However, even for this case his argument is theoretical and not a valid
proof. Why? Because these are very sick men who are using some type of
therapy. The question is whether their chosen therapy is aided or harmed
by the debulking. Dr. Myers has nothing valid to say on this topic ,>because
he didn't even speculate, no less have data, on a protocol for
such cases. His imaginary protocol is the case of the very sick man who
does nothing but debulking. That's a stupid case and doesn't arise. So
what does the article teach? Ans: Nothing at all. It's all blowing in
the wind. It's just an interesting theoretical comment with no clinical
significance.
I offer you that analysis to show you how Dr. Myers theorizing style
gets him in trouble fairly often. You have to be a very careful reader.

What is Dr. Myers doing with fo/cc? He's theorizing again. He offers an
analysis of the biochemistry of fats and tells you of his library
search. He does everything other than follow the suggested protocol and
try it on patients, or at least on dogs. He'll do anything other than
real scientific testing. When we read that many quite sick people have
tried fo/cc alone and as an adjuvant to other therapies, and very good
things happened, how can anyone possibly throw out this data and accept
Dr. Myers theorizing? Above all, if we want to be scientifically
rational, then we must give the heaviest weight to real test data.
That's where the rubber meets the road.

What's the bottom line? We must remember that fo/cc is an
investigational therapy. We have to be careful and work closely with a
supportive doctor. We should treat Dr. Myers concerns with respect. But
in no way is his theorizing ever a trump card. In no way should people
ignore test results and prefer learned speculation. Dr. Myers hasn't
proven anything. Read it always as an advisory thought.

Jules


War in Iraq

Cliff Beckwith
 

To All,

As has been suggested, though I know that war in Iraq is on our minds to a
great extent, let us forget it on this list.

Cliff


A suggestion about Iraq

sitzfamily
 

May I suggest that we not discuss the war in Iraq at all on this
group??? I find it too disturbing and it's hard enough to be in a
healing space without having it talked about here. I am not watching
the news, not reading the papers, and I don't want to talk about it.
Virginia


Re: clinic in Zion, Illinois

Lorenzo
 

Hi Cliff,

This list is "gettin a lotta crap lately".............

It seems to me that this "Peter" is a spy, OR a "mole",or an "infiltrator's just here to cause trouble!.......



Cliff:

I was Criminal Investigator in the Provost Martial Office in Wiesbaden Germany,

Army Air Corp headquarters, during the years of 1946, 1947 and 1948.

I Was an interpreter. I learned German on the Job. I also learned that many or at least some of those Germans that I interrogated, were the Worlds most sophisticated liars.

Please put ALL new members on moderated!

And actually kick off some of these spoofers.......

Cliff........ they are just trying to kill this list.

Best Regards,

Lorenzo



I am at lorenzo1@... Please ATTACK ME! --Personally__ I am a USA Soldier; Twice and I am no Dummy.

LORENZO, WWII Veteran TWO TIMES. STARTING AT AGE 16.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] clinic in Zion, Illinois


Lorenzo -

I cited "alpha" linoleic acid.
This is the same as linolenic acid.

I replied to the mails referring to Dr Myers.
Didn't you read them?

Regards

Peter

PS: Is "fishy" an insult?


At 22:52 Uhr +0100 19.03.2003, Lorenzo wrote:
>>"Every other month a study is published stating that ALA
>(alpha linoleic acid) from flax oil is promoting cancer......">
>
>
>REPLY;
>
>Linoleic acid is Omega 6 oil.
>
>Flaxseed oil has more Omega 3 oil than Omega 6 oil. Flaxseed oil is
>the richest vegetable source of Omega 3.
>
>Omega 3 Oil is also called Linolenic acid.
>
>Notice the similarity of the words linoleic to
>linolenic.
>
>I read the net widely and would like to see these studies that blame flax
>oil for promoting illness.
>
>A Google search did not turn up any.
>
>
>Something fishy here.
>
>
>Lorenzo
>
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Re: clinic in Zion, Illinois

Lorenzo
 

To All:

Peter seems to be a lackey of Dr. Meyers----------

So if you wish to take the Dr.
Meyers cocktail of Designer drugs -------Just quit this list and enjoy your misery!

Bon Voyage.

Lorenzo-------No

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Fackelmann
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] clinic in Zion, Illinois


Lorenzo -

I cited "alpha" linoleic acid.
This is the same as linolenic acid.

I replied to the mails referring to Dr Myers.
Didn't you read them?

Regards

Peter

PS: Is "fishy" an insult?


At 22:52 Uhr +0100 19.03.2003, Lorenzo wrote:
>>"Every other month a study is published stating that ALA
>(alpha linoleic acid) from flax oil is promoting cancer......">
>
>
>REPLY;
>
>Linoleic acid is Omega 6 oil.
>
>Flaxseed oil has more Omega 3 oil than Omega 6 oil. Flaxseed oil is
>the richest vegetable source of Omega 3.
>
>Omega 3 Oil is also called Linolenic acid.
>
>Notice the similarity of the words linoleic to
>linolenic.
>
>I read the net widely and would like to see these studies that blame flax
>oil for promoting illness.
>
>A Google search did not turn up any.
>
>
>Something fishy here.
>
>
>Lorenzo
>
>
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> (alpha linoleic acid) from flax oil is promoting cancer
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Re: clinic in Zion, Illinois

Lorenzo
 

To Peter,

Peter you are confused!

Haltsmaul! for Peter!

Lorenzo

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Fackelmann
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] clinic in Zion, Illinois


Lorenzo -

I cited "alpha" linoleic acid.
This is the same as linolenic acid.

I replied to the mails referring to Dr Myers.
Didn't you read them?

Regards

Peter

PS: Is "fishy" an insult?


At 22:52 Uhr +0100 19.03.2003, Lorenzo wrote:
>>"Every other month a study is published stating that ALA
>(alpha linoleic acid) from flax oil is promoting cancer......">
>
>
>REPLY;
>
>Linoleic acid is Omega 6 oil.
>
>Flaxseed oil has more Omega 3 oil than Omega 6 oil. Flaxseed oil is
>the richest vegetable source of Omega 3.
>
>Omega 3 Oil is also called Linolenic acid.
>
>Notice the similarity of the words linoleic to
>linolenic.
>
>I read the net widely and would like to see these studies that blame flax
>oil for promoting illness.
>
>A Google search did not turn up any.
>
>
>Something fishy here.
>
>
>Lorenzo
>
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Re: clinic in Zion, Illinois

Lorenzo
 

PS: Is "fishy" an insult?>
I hope so.

Now that it turns out that you are still obfuscating the data and doing your best to introduce doubt into this site:

I begin to seriously suspect that your are here to cause confusion among innocent people!

Frequently some person joins this list to just insert confusion.

Peter! Shape up.



Lorenzo
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Fackelmann
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] clinic in Zion, Illinois


Lorenzo -

I cited "alpha" linoleic acid.
This is the same as linolenic acid.

I replied to the mails referring to Dr Myers.
Didn't you read them?

Regards

Peter

PS: Is "fishy" an insult?


At 22:52 Uhr +0100 19.03.2003, Lorenzo wrote:
>>"Every other month a study is published stating that ALA
>(alpha linoleic acid) from flax oil is promoting cancer......">
>
>
>REPLY;
>
>Linoleic acid is Omega 6 oil.
>
>Flaxseed oil has more Omega 3 oil than Omega 6 oil. Flaxseed oil is
>the richest vegetable source of Omega 3.
>
>Omega 3 Oil is also called Linolenic acid.
>
>Notice the similarity of the words linoleic to
>linolenic.
>
>I read the net widely and would like to see these studies that blame flax
>oil for promoting illness.
>
>A Google search did not turn up any.
>
>
>Something fishy here.
>
>
>Lorenzo
>
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Re: TRIED EVERYTHING & SOMETHING MAY BE WORKING

H&M Feld
 

Have you tried Red clover extract? Supposedly the most prescribed
herb for BHP/Prostatitus in Europe.

----- Original Message -----
From: <sansrx@...>
To: <Carartjim@...>
Cc: <pralt-discuss@...>; <FlaxseedOil2@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:37 PM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] TRIED EVERYTHING & SOMETHING MAY BE WORKING



Will be 62 in June.
In good physical shape. Only negative, is my nagging prostate nuisance.
Maybe the FOCCFS grounded can take the credit? I take it before 08:00 with
tea (chamomile, green, pepermint or pau d arco)
My urinary diary: 06:35, 10:22, 11:17, 12:00, 12:20.
From 13:26 to 17:00. That's 3.5 hrs w/o any urges in spite of my caveat
lunch (Einstein's hot dog and a Red Dog beer)
I'll try pumpkin seeds plain.
Thanks for being there.
Ramon

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Subj: Re: [pralt-discuss] LIVER CA IN THE WORKS
Date: 3/19/2003 1:15:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Carartjim
To: SANSRX

Ramon, It seems you have tried everything and nothing is working for you.
Sorry to hear that.
How old are you, if you don't mind my asking? I wonder if age has
anything to do with it.
May God Bless you..............



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Re: clinic in Zion, Illinois

Peter Fackelmann
 

Lorenzo -

I cited "alpha" linoleic acid.
This is the same as linolenic acid.

I replied to the mails referring to Dr Myers.
Didn't you read them?

Regards

Peter

PS: Is "fishy" an insult?

At 22:52 Uhr +0100 19.03.2003, Lorenzo wrote:
"Every other month a study is published stating that ALA
(alpha linoleic acid) from flax oil is promoting cancer......">


REPLY;

Linoleic acid is Omega 6 oil.

Flaxseed oil has more Omega 3 oil than Omega 6 oil. Flaxseed oil is
the richest vegetable source of Omega 3.

Omega 3 Oil is also called Linolenic acid.

Notice the similarity of the words linoleic to
linolenic.

I read the net widely and would like to see these studies that blame flax
oil for promoting illness.

A Google search did not turn up any.


Something fishy here.


Lorenzo



Every other month a study is published stating that ALA
(alpha linoleic acid) from flax oil is promoting cancer





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