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Re: Lignans..Question

william falls
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Beckwith" <spinner@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lignans..Question


I used that once and it my eye feel a little gritty.

Cliff

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Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 3:48 PM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lignans..Question



I want to be sure it is bright yellow oil off the top of the bottle before
mixing with the Lignans.CLiff what would the Lingnans do? Harm the eye or
what? Does this make the flaxseed oil gritty.

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Re: lowfat quark?

Joel Agee
 

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In a message dated 10/15/01 9:38:53 PM Central Daylight Time, jagee@... writes:
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?
: is the final product cottage cheese or quark?? They'renot the same thing, to my mind and palate.

I don't know the answer to that. The final product is a "lump". It breaks up easily with a fork and looks like dry cottage cheese. I then mix back in a little organic cottage cheese to give it a little moisture.

Carolyn

Ok, thanks -- the test will be in the tasting.

Joel


Re: lowfat quark?

 

In a message dated 10/15/01 9:38:53 PM Central Daylight Time, jagee@... writes:


: is the final product cottage cheese or quark? ?They'renot the same thing, to my mind and palate.


I don't know the answer to that. The final product is a "lump". It breaks up easily with a fork and looks like dry cottage cheese. I then mix back in a little organic cottage cheese to give it a little moisture.

Carolyn


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Lorenzo
 

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charged one doctor and six TAP managers with conspiracy to give
doctors free drugs, trips to resorts, and free consulting services
in order to obtain their referrals of prescriptions for Lupron
to Medicare program beneficiaries. TAP is a 50-50 venture between
Abbott Laboratories (news/quote), of Abbott Park, Ill., and Takeda
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One can only wonder how widespread such practices are. In the
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Re: Self-made flaxseed oil?

Joel Agee
 

My friend sent a query to Blarlean's and received two very informative
and generous replies, which she shared with me. Then I wrote to
Barlean's to ask permission to forward those emails to this list,. I'll
add their reply to me after the first two.

Joel


1) Hello Elsa, Thank you for contacting us. I do have some questions
regarding

the flax oil that your friend has found in her local area. You may find
it

interesting that the room temperature issue does not concern me as much
as a

few other facts I would need to know. Is the flax organic? Is it cold

pressed? Does it have a pressing date? Are there any other ingredients

included in the bottle? These are the most important things to

consider---since shipping to her area is quite expensive and we do not
have

any recommendation of any companies there I would say this, if the oil
is of

good quality and recently pressed (within the last month or so) even at
room

temperature the oil will be fine. We did an interesting test here with
our

oil--we opened a bottle and used 1 ounce (this allowed a little air into
the

bottle) replaced the top and left it on a desk top for 10 months. The
oil

was then sent to a third party lab for rancidity testing (peroxide

lipids)---the scale ranges from 0 to 10, with 10 being the point at
which

peroxide lipids are formed and the oil begins to be rancid. On this
scale

this opened, unrefrigerated bottle was only at level 2. Still quite
stable

for use. I know this seems contrary to what you may have heard about
flax

being so fragile, but in truth flax is fragile compared to something
like

Crisco---but not fragile at all compared to something like milk. The oil

that Dr. Johanna Budwig used in Germany in all her research was made

outside, left unrefrigerated and carried in metal containers many times.
She

had astonishing results in her work. The key is in the quality of the

seed--particularly that it not be exposed to pesticides/herbicides and
that

it be brown (the most omega 3 content). A recent pressing if possible
will

allow your friend some time to use it up---the other route would be to
grind

the seed itself, if available. She would need to grind 3 Tablespoons of

seed and consume that to make the EFA equivalent of 1 Tablespoon of the
oil.

Mixing the oil/seed with cottage cheese is recommended by Dr. Budwig for
her

cancer patients. I hope this info helps and that your friend can find
the

name of the company and perhaps some info on the label or from the store

owner. Please contact me for any further questions or discussion you
might

need--it would be interesting to know what flax is available there. I
hope

some of this info helps. Best of Health, Alene


2)

Hi Elsa, Grinding will be fine--usually a coffee grinder worked well
for

the small seeds and you are correct-the heat there is not an issue. I
would

just grind a day or two at a time to keep it fresh. Even if she decided
to

use the oil as her main source of Omega 3 the seeds will be of great

benefit, even consuming 1-2 tablespoons of them since the seed has 100%
of

it's lignans and they are thought, at least in info I have read, to be
of

help with cancer. Our oil has lignans included with the pressing, but I
am

not sure that the oil she finds will have the lignans left in. Thanks
for

emailing back--hope to hear more from you and I certainly wish the best
for

your dear friend. Alene


3)

Hi Joel, I suppose that would be fine--but let me make sure you
understand
that cold pressing is an issue. That is why I asked that her friend look

into how it was pressed---the ideal press would be expeller pressed
between
98-110 degrees. Higher than this would be adding too much heat and
could
damage the integrity of the oil. Some companies do all the right
packaging
and storage, but press at extremely high temps (to obtain more oil from
the
seed). We feel it is better to lose some of the oil volume potential by
pressing at low temps and come out with a very viable Omega 3 source.
The
room temp storage is not a red flag to me, but chemicals being used,
high
heat during pressing and exposure to light are red flags. Just so this
is
clear to you all. Thank you, Alene


Re: Self-made flaxseed oil?

Lorenzo
 

Reply;

Does Barleans say that their cold pressed oil is at room temperature all
through the process?

Compressing most things seems to cause heat; (law of physics).

Without research; a small low pressure press would be easier to operate at
a lower temperature than a commercial press; all other things being equal.

Since heat seeks a sink; small has an advantage.

Think about it.

Lorenzo
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Self-made flaxseed oil?


At 04:07 PM 10/16/2001 -0400, you wrote:

She could buy the seeds in the market, put
them in a blender, and use the resultant oil right away. Is that as
good as using the cold-pressed refrigerated f.s.o.? Or is there
another method she could use?

Being fairly well-versed on the subject of preparation of ANY herb I can
tell you that that probably won't work. In order to extract the oil the
blender would cause very high heat - that's a no-no. In fact, even
presses
used at home would almost do the same thing. Cold-pressed is the only way
to preserve the various constituents of Flaxseed.


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Re: MSM?

Lorenzo
 

REPLY:

It is well to consider other sources of sulfur; but common sense says it is
better for a sick person to follow what has been shown to work.

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] MSM?


At 05:49 PM 10/16/2001 -0600, you wrote:

As I read it; Dr. Budwig found that Cottage Cheese or Quark worked as
well as other things and was economical.

When I originally replied to this question (does MSM contain the right
sulphur to do the trick) I totally forgot about the 3 proteins (found in
Cottage Cheese or Quark) that appear to be also needed. My apologies if I
caused any confusion - as for me, I'll just chalk it up as having a
"senior
moment". :)


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Ratio of Omega 6 to omega 3

Lorenzo
 

Many sites report the ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 EFA's in our diet is
50 to 1 or 25 to 1 because of how our food is grown and processed and
chosen. Also many sites report that the prefferred ratio would be 4
to 1 or 2 to 1.

If one believes the majority of research then one must conclude that the
problem is to consume enough Omega 3 and avoid so much Omega 6.

At the supermarket I observe many persons with a shopping cart that has no
green vegetables, no canned fish i.e. nothing with much Omega 3 in it;
conversely the contents include plenty of foods which have had any Omega 3
removed. Bread, Pasta and etc. Since most meat animals are raised in
small enclosures and fed grains for repid weight gain the meat is very high
in Omega 6 and low in Omega 3.

Butter has some Omega 3; Margerine has trans fats. Few realize that the
last thirty years of research show that trans fats are unwise; but the
public is still told low fat is good while the best research shows that it
is the type of fat not how much that affects health.

I have had a PC for six years now and the explosion of research information
on the internet just in the last year is amazing.

From all that I have read; The wise way to eat is --buy fresh food,
prepare it yourself. Avoid all processed food. For fast food get the
original fast food- apples, grapes, nuts and raw vegetables. Use
expensive eggs, get grass fed beef, supplement with flax seed and oil.
Take vitamin supplements. Canola and Soy are very controversial, wait
ten more years to eat them. If one has cancer; follow Dr. Budwigs
directions carefully.

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Re: Self-made flaxseed oil?

 

At 04:07 PM 10/16/2001 -0400, you wrote:

She could buy the seeds in the market, put
them in a blender, and use the resultant oil right away. Is that as
good as using the cold-pressed refrigerated f.s.o.? Or is there
another method she could use?

Being fairly well-versed on the subject of preparation of ANY herb I can tell you that that probably won't work. In order to extract the oil the blender would cause very high heat - that's a no-no. In fact, even presses used at home would almost do the same thing. Cold-pressed is the only way to preserve the various constituents of Flaxseed.


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Re: MSM?

 

At 05:49 PM 10/16/2001 -0600, you wrote:

As I read it;? Dr. Budwig found that Cottage Cheese or Quark worked as well as other things and was economical.


When I originally replied to this question (does MSM contain the right sulphur to do the trick) I totally forgot about the 3 proteins (found in Cottage Cheese or Quark) that appear to be also needed.? My apologies if I caused any confusion - as for me, I'll just chalk it up as having a "senior moment". :)


Re: LIGNANS

william falls
 

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Thank you! that cleared it up, and for being so sweet!!! Lorie

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:06 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] LIGNANS

I am ignorant, I think, What are these Lignans you speak of and is it
something added to the Flaxseed Oil? thanks, Lorie?
NO WAY LORIE are you ignorant.. Like the rest of us we are learning and we all had to begin at the very core of learning about FLAXSEED as well as other ways to stay healthy. SO at anytime you need an answer..please ask. I know I've asked many myself, and am in experimenting now with the oils other uses, than that of cancer?help.
And look at it this way Lorie if you would have not asked this question, someone else would have sooner or later..Thanks for making it sooner. Now I'm also sure CLiff will answer you differently than I am, but that is okay too..we will be on the same track to help you and others to understand Lignans..

Lignans are naturally occurring chemicals widespread within the plant and animal kingdoms. Several lignans¡ªwith intimidating names such as secoisolariciresinol¡ªare considered to be phytoestrogens, plant chemicals that mimic the hormone estrogen. These are especially abundant in FLAXSEED Bacteria in our intestines convert them into two other lignans, enterolactone and enterodiol, which also have estrogen-like effects. In this article, the term "lignans" refers to these two specific lignans as well as the phytoestrogen kind, but not to the wide variety of other lignans.

Lignans are being studied for possible use in cancer prevention, particularly breast cancer. Like other phytoestrogens, they hook onto the same spots on cells where estrogen attaches. If there is little estrogen in the body (after menopause, for example), lignans may act like weak estrogen; but when natural estrogen is abundant in the body, lignans may instead reduce estrogen's effects by displacing it from cells. This displacement of the hormone may help prevent those cancers, such as breast cancer, that depend on estrogen to start and develop. In addition, at least one test tube study suggests that lignans may help prevent cancer in ways that are unrelated to estrogen.1

Very early evidence suggests that lignans may also be? antioxidants?

although the strength of their antioxidant activity is not yet clear.2,3

Besides their potential use in cancer, preliminary research suggests that lignans may have a role lowering cholesterol.4,5 In addition, weak evidence suggests a possible role for lignans in preventing atherosclerosis,6,7 treating menopausal symptoms,8 and treating chronic kidney disease.9,10

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How do we retrieve

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Cliff since some of us pulled out immediately from the old flaxseed oil group..and without thinking, I for one,?would now like to get back in there to pull? out some of my important data I used,on the old list. ?And there is also some things there in archives I would like to use again. IS THIS POSSIBLE TO GET BACK IN TO GET THESE OUT. I tried to sign in and it says no longer there. Is this true?
Miz Judy and Mel
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LIGNANS

Miz Judy & Mel
 

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I am ignorant, I think, What are these Lignans you speak of and is it
something added to the Flaxseed Oil? thanks, Lorie?
NO WAY LORIE are you ignorant.. Like the rest of us we are learning and we all had to begin at the very core of learning about FLAXSEED as well as other ways to stay healthy. SO at anytime you need an answer..please ask. I know I've asked many myself, and am in experimenting now with the oils other uses, than that of cancer?help.
And look at it this way Lorie if you would have not asked this question, someone else would have sooner or later..Thanks for making it sooner. Now I'm also sure CLiff will answer you differently than I am, but that is okay too..we will be on the same track to help you and others to understand Lignans..

Lignans are naturally occurring chemicals widespread within the plant and animal kingdoms. Several lignans¡ªwith intimidating names such as secoisolariciresinol¡ªare considered to be phytoestrogens, plant chemicals that mimic the hormone estrogen. These are especially abundant in FLAXSEED Bacteria in our intestines convert them into two other lignans, enterolactone and enterodiol, which also have estrogen-like effects. In this article, the term "lignans" refers to these two specific lignans as well as the phytoestrogen kind, but not to the wide variety of other lignans.

Lignans are being studied for possible use in cancer prevention, particularly breast cancer. Like other phytoestrogens, they hook onto the same spots on cells where estrogen attaches. If there is little estrogen in the body (after menopause, for example), lignans may act like weak estrogen; but when natural estrogen is abundant in the body, lignans may instead reduce estrogen's effects by displacing it from cells. This displacement of the hormone may help prevent those cancers, such as breast cancer, that depend on estrogen to start and develop. In addition, at least one test tube study suggests that lignans may help prevent cancer in ways that are unrelated to estrogen.1

Very early evidence suggests that lignans may also be? antioxidants?

although the strength of their antioxidant activity is not yet clear.2,3

Besides their potential use in cancer, preliminary research suggests that lignans may have a role lowering cholesterol.4,5 In addition, weak evidence suggests a possible role for lignans in preventing atherosclerosis,6,7 treating menopausal symptoms,8 and treating chronic kidney disease.9,10

?
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Re: Lignans..Question

Cliff Beckwith
 

Hi Lorie,

The Lignans are part of the protein in the flaxseeds that seem to have some
value in fighting cancer in their own right.

It is the dark material in the "Lignan Rich" oil.

The oil can be purchased with that removed. It is then a "golden" oil.
Most of the oil now sold is Lignan Rich and that is what I get.

However, if I put it in my eyes I want the golden oil off the top of the
bottle before it is mixed. The Lignans do not dissolve in the oil. They
are in suspension when mixed and the Lignans will settle out.

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: william falls <wfalls@...>
To: FlaxSeedOil2@... <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lignans..Question


I am ignorant, I think, What are these Lignans you speak of and is it
something added to the Flaxseed Oil? thanks, Lorie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Beckwith" <spinner@...>
To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lignans..Question


I used that once and it my eye feel a little gritty.

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: Miz Judy & Mel <mrjau@...>
To: Flax oil2 <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 3:48 PM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lignans..Question



I want to be sure it is bright yellow oil off the top of the bottle
before
mixing with the Lignans.CLiff what would the Lingnans do? Harm the eye or
what? Does this make the flaxseed oil gritty.

.Miz Judy





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Re: Lignans..Question

william falls
 

I am ignorant, I think, What are these Lignans you speak of and is it
something added to the Flaxseed Oil? thanks, Lorie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Beckwith" <spinner@...>
To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lignans..Question


I used that once and it my eye feel a little gritty.

Cliff

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To: Flax oil2 <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 3:48 PM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lignans..Question



I want to be sure it is bright yellow oil off the top of the bottle before
mixing with the Lignans.CLiff what would the Lingnans do? Harm the eye or
what? Does this make the flaxseed oil gritty.

.Miz Judy





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Re: Flax oil in eyes

Lorenzo
 

The oil in the eyes sounds promising. Also berries, especially blue
berries in the diet may help according to several reports.

Best Regards, Lorenzo




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Miz Judy & Mel
 

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Are you keeping all files your writing on Flaxseed oil being used in the eyes? And is there a chance you can again talk to this lady you mentioned? to see if she used the golden or that with Lingan Rich? This might give us more knowledge , and another door open as for sure which is best to use.
?I only have here the Lingan Rich, or I'd try both to see what I notice pro/con on them. I used mine the other night, before going to bed, and by the following morning I was more able to see. Whenever my sinus, begin to act up the eyes also water, and get blurry, and sometimes has lasted days. This time I almost forgot about using the flaxseed oil, and when I was reminded I put a drop into each eye.WENT to bed, and this way the eyes seemed to rest as the oil was working. But I didn't have any trouble after that/ Now tonight I notice the eyes getting tired. I'm about ready to close up the computer and go put my drops in, and rest a little in my easy chair, taking notes to see what happens while I'm still awake.? Hey this is going to be fun experimenting isn't it? And who knows, maybe the oil absorbs into the body doing more healing then we realize at the moment on other parts too.
?The technician is also very interested.? She told me that her aunt in Texas
had cleared cataracts with flaxseed oil.? She did not tell me how she had
used it.


Re: MSM?

Lorenzo
 

As I read it; Dr. Budwig found that Cottage Cheese or Quark worked as well
as other things and was economical.

It seems to me that she was satisfied with that so instead of looking for a
hundred other items that may serve in place of the CC she kept on with her
goal of understanding how to control disease.

It would be helpful if some one else would seek other effective sulfur
compounds; there is one frequently mentioned here, it is a pill.

It seems to me that the German Poet Schiller wrote about buying a penny's
worth of Cottage Cheese as a special treat when he was a child. The old
time Cottage Cheese was "Creamed" and it was delicious.

Best Regards, Lorenzo



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----- Original Message -----
From: <z00ky@...>
To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] MSM?


At 11:10 PM 10/15/2001 -0500, you wrote:

How bout using the nuts with MSM? Would that be enough sulpher content?

Good question! Considering the fact that MSM IS sulphur I suspect it would
be enough (it certainly contains far more sulphur than cottage
cheese). However, is it the CORRECT kind of sulphur for this purpose?


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Re: Grandmother has small cell lung cancer/ways to eat flax & cot

Ralph Elliott
 

I have been making it with one pound cottage cheese (usually low fat),?81/2 ounces of flax seed oil and 4 tablespoons of honey (usually unfiltered, unheated); add enough water or milk so it will mix easily in a mixer and after 5 minutes or so you will get a custardy pretty good-tasting spread. I got this off a write-up?about Dr. Budwig; apparently they are not concerned about that amount of honey. I do not get diarrhea from this mixture no matter how much I eat. I got the impression Dr Budwig herself?recommended this spread.?

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Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Grandmother has small cell lung cancer/ways to eat flax & cottage cheese
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My Grandmother has small cell lung cancer.? Has anyone been cured of
it in here? or know anyone?? She is eating cottage cheese and flax
seed oil. What are some ways to make it taste better other than
adding fruit? thanks ..she is sick of it :(( Kim


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Self-made flaxseed oil? Press?

Lorenzo
 

The only press to make oil from seeds that I have found so far is over $500;
However some one mentioned a kitchen press the was struck a blow with a
mallet whenever the cook walked by it with an empty hand. I have thought
of making one but would like to find a ready made one first.

If any one sees a small seed oil press please let us know.

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:07 PM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Self-made flaxseed oil?



A friend asks the following question: her mother lives in Venezuela,
where refrigerated flaxseed oil like Barlean's is not available. Can
she press the oil herself? She could buy the seeds in the market, put
them in a blender, and use the resultant oil right away. Is that as
good as using the cold-pressed refrigerated f.s.o.? Or is there
another method she could use?

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