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Re: Lignans..Question
william falls
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From: "Cliff Beckwith" <spinner@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lignans..Question I used that once and it my eye feel a little gritty. |
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Re: lowfat quark?
Joel Agee
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ckreibich@... wrote: In a message dated 10/15/01 9:38:53 PM Central Daylight Time, jagee@... writes:Ok, thanks -- the test will be in the tasting. Joel |
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Re: lowfat quark?
In a message dated 10/15/01 9:38:53 PM Central Daylight Time, jagee@... writes:
: is the final product cottage cheese or quark? ?They'renot the same thing, to my mind and palate. I don't know the answer to that. The final product is a "lump". It breaks up easily with a fork and looks like dry cottage cheese. I then mix back in a little organic cottage cheese to give it a little moisture. Carolyn |
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From "Dr. Stephen Byrnes' Free E-Zine"
Lorenzo
From "Dr. Stephen Byrnes' Free E-Zine"
""2. Drug Company Corruption Revealed from Ralph Moss's CancerDecisions.com Newsletter #007 (October 8, 2001) -------------------------------------- This week, a major pharmaceutical company, TAP Pharmaceutical, of Lake Forest, Ill., agreed to pay $875 million to settle charges that it inflated the price of the prostate cancer drug Lupron and also bribed doctors to prescribe it. A federal indictment charged one doctor and six TAP managers with conspiracy to give doctors free drugs, trips to resorts, and free consulting services in order to obtain their referrals of prescriptions for Lupron to Medicare program beneficiaries. TAP is a 50-50 venture between Abbott Laboratories (news/quote), of Abbott Park, Ill., and Takeda Chemical Industries Ltd. in Japan.(See: NY Times website October 3, 2001). One can only wonder how widespread such practices are. In the past, the bribing of doctors with trips and kickbacks was openly practiced. Today, it is illegal but obviously still goes on. We need doctors to prescribe drugs based on the likelihood that it will benefit us. Too often, they allow themselves to be manipulated by manufacturers. This creates a climate of uncritical enthusiasm for pharmaceuticals. RELATED STORIES: Drug companies defrauded Medicare of millions Drug companies neglect research into diseases affecting the poor --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 10/9/01 |
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Re: Self-made flaxseed oil?
Joel Agee
My friend sent a query to Blarlean's and received two very informative
and generous replies, which she shared with me. Then I wrote to Barlean's to ask permission to forward those emails to this list,. I'll add their reply to me after the first two. Joel 1) Hello Elsa, Thank you for contacting us. I do have some questions regarding the flax oil that your friend has found in her local area. You may find it interesting that the room temperature issue does not concern me as much as a few other facts I would need to know. Is the flax organic? Is it cold pressed? Does it have a pressing date? Are there any other ingredients included in the bottle? These are the most important things to consider---since shipping to her area is quite expensive and we do not have any recommendation of any companies there I would say this, if the oil is of good quality and recently pressed (within the last month or so) even at room temperature the oil will be fine. We did an interesting test here with our oil--we opened a bottle and used 1 ounce (this allowed a little air into the bottle) replaced the top and left it on a desk top for 10 months. The oil was then sent to a third party lab for rancidity testing (peroxide lipids)---the scale ranges from 0 to 10, with 10 being the point at which peroxide lipids are formed and the oil begins to be rancid. On this scale this opened, unrefrigerated bottle was only at level 2. Still quite stable for use. I know this seems contrary to what you may have heard about flax being so fragile, but in truth flax is fragile compared to something like Crisco---but not fragile at all compared to something like milk. The oil that Dr. Johanna Budwig used in Germany in all her research was made outside, left unrefrigerated and carried in metal containers many times. She had astonishing results in her work. The key is in the quality of the seed--particularly that it not be exposed to pesticides/herbicides and that it be brown (the most omega 3 content). A recent pressing if possible will allow your friend some time to use it up---the other route would be to grind the seed itself, if available. She would need to grind 3 Tablespoons of seed and consume that to make the EFA equivalent of 1 Tablespoon of the oil. Mixing the oil/seed with cottage cheese is recommended by Dr. Budwig for her cancer patients. I hope this info helps and that your friend can find the name of the company and perhaps some info on the label or from the store owner. Please contact me for any further questions or discussion you might need--it would be interesting to know what flax is available there. I hope some of this info helps. Best of Health, Alene 2) Hi Elsa, Grinding will be fine--usually a coffee grinder worked well for the small seeds and you are correct-the heat there is not an issue. I would just grind a day or two at a time to keep it fresh. Even if she decided to use the oil as her main source of Omega 3 the seeds will be of great benefit, even consuming 1-2 tablespoons of them since the seed has 100% of it's lignans and they are thought, at least in info I have read, to be of help with cancer. Our oil has lignans included with the pressing, but I am not sure that the oil she finds will have the lignans left in. Thanks for emailing back--hope to hear more from you and I certainly wish the best for your dear friend. Alene 3) Hi Joel, I suppose that would be fine--but let me make sure you understand that cold pressing is an issue. That is why I asked that her friend look into how it was pressed---the ideal press would be expeller pressed between 98-110 degrees. Higher than this would be adding too much heat and could damage the integrity of the oil. Some companies do all the right packaging and storage, but press at extremely high temps (to obtain more oil from the seed). We feel it is better to lose some of the oil volume potential by pressing at low temps and come out with a very viable Omega 3 source. The room temp storage is not a red flag to me, but chemicals being used, high heat during pressing and exposure to light are red flags. Just so this is clear to you all. Thank you, Alene |
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Re: Self-made flaxseed oil?
Lorenzo
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Does Barleans say that their cold pressed oil is at room temperature all through the process? Compressing most things seems to cause heat; (law of physics). Without research; a small low pressure press would be easier to operate at a lower temperature than a commercial press; all other things being equal. Since heat seeks a sink; small has an advantage. Think about it. Lorenzo Best Regards, Lorenzo Join the CaveManFood list and eat like our ancestors. CaveManFood-subscribe@... Trapshooters Join this; trapshooter-subscribe@... ----- Original Message -----
From: <z00ky@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Self-made flaxseed oil? At 04:07 PM 10/16/2001 -0400, you wrote:pressesShe could buy the seeds in the market, put used at home would almost do the same thing. Cold-pressed is the only way --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 10/9/01 |
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Re: MSM?
Lorenzo
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It is well to consider other sources of sulfur; but common sense says it is better for a sick person to follow what has been shown to work. Best Regards, Lorenzo Join the CaveManFood list and eat like our ancestors. CaveManFood-subscribe@... Trapshooters Join this; trapshooter-subscribe@... ----- Original Message -----
From: <z00ky@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] MSM? At 05:49 PM 10/16/2001 -0600, you wrote:"seniorAs I read it; Dr. Budwig found that Cottage Cheese or Quark worked as moment". :) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 10/9/01 |
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Ratio of Omega 6 to omega 3
Lorenzo
Many sites report the ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 EFA's in our diet is
50 to 1 or 25 to 1 because of how our food is grown and processed and chosen. Also many sites report that the prefferred ratio would be 4 to 1 or 2 to 1. If one believes the majority of research then one must conclude that the problem is to consume enough Omega 3 and avoid so much Omega 6. At the supermarket I observe many persons with a shopping cart that has no green vegetables, no canned fish i.e. nothing with much Omega 3 in it; conversely the contents include plenty of foods which have had any Omega 3 removed. Bread, Pasta and etc. Since most meat animals are raised in small enclosures and fed grains for repid weight gain the meat is very high in Omega 6 and low in Omega 3. Butter has some Omega 3; Margerine has trans fats. Few realize that the last thirty years of research show that trans fats are unwise; but the public is still told low fat is good while the best research shows that it is the type of fat not how much that affects health. I have had a PC for six years now and the explosion of research information on the internet just in the last year is amazing. From all that I have read; The wise way to eat is --buy fresh food, prepare it yourself. Avoid all processed food. For fast food get the original fast food- apples, grapes, nuts and raw vegetables. Use expensive eggs, get grass fed beef, supplement with flax seed and oil. Take vitamin supplements. Canola and Soy are very controversial, wait ten more years to eat them. If one has cancer; follow Dr. Budwigs directions carefully. Regards,, Lorenzo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 10/9/01 |
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Re: Self-made flaxseed oil?
At 04:07 PM 10/16/2001 -0400, you wrote:
She could buy the seeds in the market, put Being fairly well-versed on the subject of preparation of ANY herb I can tell you that that probably won't work. In order to extract the oil the blender would cause very high heat - that's a no-no. In fact, even presses used at home would almost do the same thing. Cold-pressed is the only way to preserve the various constituents of Flaxseed. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at |
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Re: MSM?
At 05:49 PM 10/16/2001 -0600, you wrote:
As I read it;? Dr. Budwig found that Cottage Cheese or Quark worked as well as other things and was economical. When I originally replied to this question (does MSM contain the right sulphur to do the trick) I totally forgot about the 3 proteins (found in Cottage Cheese or Quark) that appear to be also needed.? My apologies if I caused any confusion - as for me, I'll just chalk it up as having a "senior moment". :) |
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Re: LIGNANS
william falls
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThank you! that cleared it up, and for being so
sweet!!! Lorie
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How do we retrieve
Miz Judy & Mel
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýCliff since some of us pulled out immediately from
the old flaxseed oil group..and without thinking, I for one,?would now like
to get back in there to pull? out some of my important data I used,on the
old list. ?And there is also some things there in archives I would like to
use again. IS THIS POSSIBLE TO GET BACK IN TO GET THESE OUT. I tried to sign in
and it says no longer there. Is this true?
Miz Judy and Mel
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Nashville,Ohio Genealogy Bereavement of a Lost Love One My Cancer Challenge Ordeal NaturalWellBeing-subscribe@... Owner: Miz Judy: mrjau@... FlaxSeedOil2-subscribe@... Owner: Cliff Beckwith: spinner@... |
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LIGNANS
Miz Judy & Mel
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI am ignorant, I think, What are these Lignans you speak of and is
it
something added to the Flaxseed Oil? thanks, Lorie? NO WAY LORIE are you ignorant.. Like the rest of us we are learning and
we all had to begin at the very core of learning about FLAXSEED as well as other
ways to stay healthy. SO at anytime you need an answer..please ask. I know I've
asked many myself, and am in experimenting now with the oils other uses, than
that of cancer?help.
And look at it this way Lorie if you would have not asked this question,
someone else would have sooner or later..Thanks for making it sooner. Now I'm
also sure CLiff will answer you differently than I am, but that is okay too..we
will be on the same track to help you and others to understand
Lignans..
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I live in my own little world,
but it's ok, they know me here. I can say anything I? like.. 'cause nobody listens to me anyway. ? ?
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Re: Lignans..Question
Cliff Beckwith
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The Lignans are part of the protein in the flaxseeds that seem to have some value in fighting cancer in their own right. It is the dark material in the "Lignan Rich" oil. The oil can be purchased with that removed. It is then a "golden" oil. Most of the oil now sold is Lignan Rich and that is what I get. However, if I put it in my eyes I want the golden oil off the top of the bottle before it is mixed. The Lignans do not dissolve in the oil. They are in suspension when mixed and the Lignans will settle out. Cliff -----Original Message-----
From: william falls <wfalls@...> To: FlaxSeedOil2@... <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lignans..Question I am ignorant, I think, What are these Lignans you speak of and is itbefore mixing with the Lignans.CLiff what would the Lingnans do? Harm the eye or |
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Re: Lignans..Question
william falls
I am ignorant, I think, What are these Lignans you speak of and is it
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something added to the Flaxseed Oil? thanks, Lorie ----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Beckwith" <spinner@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lignans..Question I used that once and it my eye feel a little gritty. |
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Re: Flax oil in eyes
Lorenzo
The oil in the eyes sounds promising. Also berries, especially blue
berries in the diet may help according to several reports. Best Regards, Lorenzo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 10/9/01 |
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Miz Judy & Mel
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAre you keeping all files your writing on Flaxseed
oil being used in the eyes? And is there a chance you can again talk to this
lady you mentioned? to see if she used the golden or that with Lingan Rich?
This might give us more knowledge , and another door open as for sure which is
best to use.
?I only have here the Lingan Rich, or I'd try
both to see what I notice pro/con on them. I used mine the other night, before
going to bed, and by the following morning I was more able to see. Whenever my
sinus, begin to act up the eyes also water, and get blurry, and sometimes has
lasted days. This time I almost forgot about using the flaxseed oil, and when I
was reminded I put a drop into each eye.WENT to bed, and this way the eyes
seemed to rest as the oil was working. But I didn't have any trouble after that/
Now tonight I notice the eyes getting tired. I'm about ready to close up the
computer and go put my drops in, and rest a little in my easy chair, taking
notes to see what happens while I'm still awake.? Hey this is going to be
fun experimenting isn't it? And who knows, maybe the oil absorbs into the body
doing more healing then we realize at the moment on other parts
too.
?The
technician is also very interested.? She told me that her aunt in
Texas had cleared cataracts with flaxseed oil.? She did not tell me how she had used it. |
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Re: MSM?
Lorenzo
As I read it; Dr. Budwig found that Cottage Cheese or Quark worked as well
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as other things and was economical. It seems to me that she was satisfied with that so instead of looking for a hundred other items that may serve in place of the CC she kept on with her goal of understanding how to control disease. It would be helpful if some one else would seek other effective sulfur compounds; there is one frequently mentioned here, it is a pill. It seems to me that the German Poet Schiller wrote about buying a penny's worth of Cottage Cheese as a special treat when he was a child. The old time Cottage Cheese was "Creamed" and it was delicious. Best Regards, Lorenzo Join the CaveManFood list and eat like our ancestors. CaveManFood-subscribe@... Trapshooters Join this; trapshooter-subscribe@... ----- Original Message -----
From: <z00ky@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] MSM? At 11:10 PM 10/15/2001 -0500, you wrote:How bout using the nuts with MSM? Would that be enough sulpher content? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 10/9/01 |
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Re: Grandmother has small cell lung cancer/ways to eat flax & cot
Ralph Elliott
I have been making it with one pound cottage cheese (usually low fat),?81/2 ounces of flax seed oil and 4 tablespoons of honey (usually unfiltered, unheated); add enough water or milk so it will mix easily in a mixer and after 5 minutes or so you will get a custardy pretty good-tasting spread. I got this off a write-up?about Dr. Budwig; apparently they are not concerned about that amount of honey. I do not get diarrhea from this mixture no matter how much I eat. I got the impression Dr Budwig herself?recommended this spread.?
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Self-made flaxseed oil? Press?
Lorenzo
The only press to make oil from seeds that I have found so far is over $500;
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However some one mentioned a kitchen press the was struck a blow with a mallet whenever the cook walked by it with an empty hand. I have thought of making one but would like to find a ready made one first. If any one sees a small seed oil press please let us know. Best Regards, Lorenzo At Email lorenzo1@... Join the CaveManFood list and eat like our ancestors. CaveManFood-subscribe@... Trapshooters Join this; trapshooter-subscribe@... ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Agee" <jagee@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Self-made flaxseed oil?
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